Re: [Ilugc] MS Cloud operations in TN
On 3/8/2012 10:44 AM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: > as a person with fair amount of experience with dealing with govt > officials in various states I can assure you that the argument that > 'neighouring state is doing this so our state should do it' is the > surest way to ensure that it is not done. Each state thinks it is > better than the others and this argument just irritates the officials. > Base your arguments with reasons. +1 We need to approach them, as an organisation. (Probably FSF india??). And a strong online public protest, may help.. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] teaching Foss syllabus in colleges
On 1/24/2012 11:11 AM, Shrinivasan T wrote: > friends. > > Foss is becoming as a part of college syllabus nowadays. > > college staff approach us to cover the syllabus. we also handle the session. > > but it seems continuing always. > the staff call us every year to cover the syllabus. instead of the staff > learning Foss stuff, they use us. > > this should be changed. the college staff should learn the Foss subjects > and they should start teaching the subjects themselves. Four years down the line, the present day students would become staffs.. if we train the students as foss expert, they would become foss staffs tomorrow.. with heavy competition even for lecture jobs, the expertise in foss will be a differentiator for those students and chance of employed become more. - senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OffTopic] Article comparing Hinduism with Open Source
On 1/6/2012 4:40 PM, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: > > Happened 3 days back: > Guy from reputed engineering college walks into my office. He actually > comes here with my friend's reference. He wants to do an internship. Asked > him about his project thinking he wants to do it here. He says it's being > done by HCL career development center. Rs6,500/- per person, 3 in a team. > They will explain the project and the project report to them too at the > same cost. Asked him why he wants to work here if he was not interested > even in doing his own project. He says that he is already 'campus selected' > by Infosys and Wipro. Then again I ask him why then he wants to do an > internship. He says his friends scared him saying that he will be kicked > out of Infosys and Wipro after training if he does not know about work > ethics and other stuff. > > Awesomeness - The guy, HCL CDS, Infosys and Wipro. > India, the IT power house We will be the greatest. > > Regards, > Arun I too have seen this over the past few years.. does any one know, how exactly the HCL CDC is functioning? Are they just another Project Center selling projects, or are they really providing real time projects to the students? Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What should be the problem?
On 12/18/2011 12:08 AM, Prasanna Venkadesh wrote: > Dear luggies, > > One of my friend is running his laptop powered with LinuxMint 11 + dual > boot windows and he uses Reliance Broadband + USB Modem manufactured my ZTE > corporation for internet connection. > > According to his Data plan when some data limit is reached, the speed of > connection will drop from 3.1 Mbps to 256 kbps. > > When the speed drops, he is unable to get internet connection in linux and > he can access internet via windows in the same laptop using the Front-end > developed for the modem. > this is how the 3G service is offered. I dont know about reliance. but when i went through Airtel 3G plans, they said, that after some data limit, only 2g speed will be available. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] How to create yahoogroups like site?
On 12/5/2011 9:19 AM, Sundaram Ramachandran wrote: >> But how do i create a new group mail, >> dynamically? > Use Mailman, which is the software used for this ilugc mailing list. > If i am right, mailman provides only one group mail id. Please correct me if i am wrong. More over, i have to create a new group mail id dynamically through php. When i create a new buddypress group, i should get a group mail on the name of that group. Is it possible with mailman? to give a scneario, suppose, let us assume i am working on a social networking project for this Chennai Linux User group. We have many categories of mails coming to this, and NOT every wants everything. Suppose, i want to create separate subgroups for each kind of mails. The mails would be like j...@ilugc.com , m...@ilugc.com, n...@ilugc.com etc. Is this possible with mailman? It is possible with groupserver.org , but i could not install it properly. More over, i want to use buddypress, and integrate this groupmail feature there. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] How to create yahoogroups like site?
Hi, I am working on a buddypress project to create a social networking site. I want to create a mailing list for each buddypress groups, and enable user to discuss in that group through email. Suppose, if i am creating a group for python users, i should get a group mail like pythonus...@mysite.com . This group mail should contain all members of the python buddypress group. When the user leaves the group, he should be automatically unsubscribed from this mailing list too. Do anyone have any idea over this? All user interfaces can be done through buddypress plugins. But how do i create a new group mail, dynamically? Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Indian UID, Aadhar Project Is A Proprietary, Non Open Source Project?
On 11/22/2011 5:34 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: >> It is not a vicious personal attack. It is the truth. It is an >> undisputed fact that infosys has contributed little or nothing of value >> to the Indian software scene. The mode of operation of people like NN >> has been to exploit cheap local labour for the benefit of developed >> countries. The are not capable of innovating on their own, and when such >> people are put in charge of projects like this, they are clueless and >> just email Redmond for instructions as they have been doing their whole >> lives. (btw the quotation above is not mine) > Plussed that. What's wrong in calling a spade a spade? > Actually, the Indian Software Success is more of Currency devaluation, than Skill. NOT just out of skill alone.Suppose, if the dollar is just 10 rs, how many of our people be able to compete with an american s/w guy? I agree with swapnil, that we have to call a spade, a spade. Most of indian software companies are just service providers. They dont have any experience in designing a product, and making it success. The reason, is that in order to develop a product, one has to own it. The leader should have indepth idea of the product. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs all are technological entrepreneur. They knew the technology, and hence they have an ownership, vision for their product. But how many leaders in the indian software companies, have that kind of vision? They are just body shoppers, utilising the vast business around the currency difference. They dont have any experience, in designing a product or application, for their own requirement. Then how can they design a software for our country? Atleast for the foreign clients, the clients are the decision makers in what requirements they want. Here, our government is NOT such a decision maker or authority. Everything is left to the software companies, which they neither have any experience nor any vision. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Indian UID, Aadhar Project Is A Proprietary, Non Open Source Project?
On 11/21/2011 8:35 PM, Senthil Nathan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sundaram Ramachandran< > sundaram.ramachand...@kggroup.com> wrote: > >>> I request all members to suggest concrete methods by which this >>> project can be rescued and made into Open Source stack, instead of >>> merely complaining on a mailing list. I think, the aadhaar project has started to be implemented, which means, bulk of development got already over. In this case, will they be changing to open source, after spending 100 crores? ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] BOSS Wins Over Windows In Tamil Nadu
On 11/15/2011 6:32 PM, 0 wrote: > > As far as development goes, I personally do not like the idea of a > consumer operating system developed by the government. For a simple > reason that the vested interest lies is National Security which could > curb our liberty at a later point. However, this opinion might change if > the development is largely done by the GNU/Linux community itself. Why NOT CDAC promote the consumer operating system separately, with partnership from Universities and colleges? ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] BOSS Wins Over Windows In Tamil Nadu
On 11/15/2011 12:33 PM, Srinivasan Sundararajan wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:13 AM, pavithran wrote: > > NRCFOSS/CDAC/BOSS is planning a mini workshop with about 20-30 participants > from engg colleges (staff/students) and ILUG membes -- to discuss about > BOSS community portal, maintenance, participation by members for FOSS/BOSS > support, etc., Is there any plans to release BOSS CD free of cost (or at some nominal cost), to the students, just like Ubuntu does? This is one of the way where we can popularise our local version of linux, and build an ecosystem out of it. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Do anyone know the owner of http://ubuntu-tam.org/vaasal/ ?
On 11/9/2011 11:46 AM, mohi wrote: > Hi All, > > I am finding some details like "Married personals Central America" amd some > unwanted details in http://ubuntu-tam.org/vaasal/. Do you know the owner of > that site? > > SriRamdas with pen name "Amachu" started this ubuntu-tam.org project. He is also a member of this ILUGC. I could not locate his email id currently REgards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Tamil Nadu Agriculture University-using 30% of LINUX OS.
On 11/8/2011 4:07 PM, சுதன் | suthan wrote: > just check out this webpage > > http://www.auttvl.ac.in/affiliation_ins.php > > there will be a link Lab requirements2010-11 on scroll if u click on it it > will open a pdf file. that is the universities required softwares for each > My friend is working there as scientist .. they are using a good number of MAC machines.. see their extensive information site.. http://agritech.tnau.ac.in/ This wiki portal runs in MAC machine i think.. http://wiki.tnau.ac.in/ Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ILUG-BOM] Interview of Linus Torvalds; He Also Speaks Of Sad Situation Of India
On 11/4/2011 11:30 AM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:26, Vigneshwaran wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Ravi Kumar >> Tennetiwrote: >>> In continuation to Senthil's mail, I would like all the members of ILUGC to >>> go through the Macaulay's speech in British Parliament in 1835. Sorry for >>> attaching an image but I think this will be apt here. Regards Ravi Kumar >>> > A fake quote that lots of people like to pull out from time to time - > http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/hinduism/macaulay.html I had read this article by KE long back.. but i would like to quote another phrase of Macaulay, which is authentic.. -quote--- ‘I have never found one amongst them [the orientalists] who could deny that a single shelf of a good European library was worth the whole native literature of India and Arabia. It is, I believe, no exaggeration to say that all the historical information which has been collected from all the books written in the Sanskrit language is less valuable than what may be found in the most paltry abridgment used at preparatory schools in England.’ --Minute of Lord Macaulay on the 2nd of February 1835 --end of quote --- The above clearly shows the extreme contempt of macaulay over oriental education.. The reason is that, the nature of indian education was different from european variety.. In india, focus of schools was primarily for literacy and iculcating good character.. The technical, and professional education was contained within the Jaathi Setup. ie, there is no equivalent of engineering colleges, but since each community collectively did a profession, they innovated, and invented, technologies, as per their requirement. More importantly, these technologies are NOT documented.. It was a living knowledge, which continued to successive generation.. For eg, in the same dharampal website www.dharampal.net , there is a description of how plastic surgery was practiced by a particular community for thousands of years.. a team of doctors from england, tried to know how it was done, but they were able to crack only 60 years later.. and this was the starting point of plastic surgery field.. Like the same website describes about how small pox was contained with simple techniques, how high quality steel was produced cheaply, and so many arts and technologies being professed in india.. And all of these was destroyed by this education system.. otherwise, where were the people, who built magnifient temples, where were the people who professed plastic surgery in india? Coming back to sanskrit, Please read this article by Rajeev Malhotra, on how europe misappropriated sanskrit.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajiv-malhotra/how-europeans-misappropri_b_837376.html -- Quote--- >>"Sanskrit and Indology entered most major European universities between 1800 and 1850, challenging if not replacing Latin and Greek texts as a source for "new" ideas. Many new disciplines were shaped by the ensuing intellectual activity, including linguistics, comparative religion, modern philosophy and sociology. " ---end of quote--- I dont know how far these debates on non-technical things like history is going to shape our mind.. but in my view, technical cannot be dealt isolated.. Science and Technology is always part of a civilization.. and Claude Alvares, from Goa, had beautifully explained this in his book "Decolonising History".. it can be downloaded from the below link.. http://www.indianscience.org/essays/29-%20E--F-Decolonising%20History.pdf So, i hope, we should be by now, having a perspective of our patetic state of today's education, and the root cause. If we want to try any solution, we need to analyse those root causes. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ILUG-BOM] Interview of Linus Torvalds; He Also Speaks Of Sad Situation Of India
On 11/3/2011 5:43 PM, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: > In India, we all want to make our parents proud. Fundamentally our > value system places a lot of emphasis on education and I do not talk > about any particular community or ethnic group. > > This seems to be a cultural trend in this subcontinent. No.. The current trend is very recent one, triggered first by craze for Government Jobs, and then later by IT sector. People went to college, to get a degree, because, only if they get a degree, they will get government job. And if they get govt job, they will get good bride (Good looking, good dowry, etc etc).. The rot is somewhere else.. Prior to these government jobs craze, education was purposeful.. please read *www.dharampal.net *on the indigenous education system. We had more than 1 lakh schools in Madras Province alone during 18th century, while at the same time, Britain had just 15000 schools.. The British took lot of things from Indian education system, implemented it there, and then destroyed the original setup in india. For eg, from 1800 to 1850, Sanskrit course was the Top Most sought one, in most universities across Europe. That's how the europeans learned the art of structured language, which was later incorporated in programming languages. The Backus Naur form is essentially the Sanskrit Grammar. On the other hand, we had been de-sanskritised, and de-educated using the macaulyte system. (Please dont link sanskrit with religion.. i am writing on generic angle).. This loss of native education system, pushed us few centuries back, whereas the west stole our concepts and advanced further. ( Can any one understand the link b/w Trigonometry, and Tiri Gona Mathy.. Thiri-Gonam = 3 angles ) Indian society places lot of emphasis on education.. but it was once upon a time.. NOT present.. today, indian society uses education as a tool to attain status, luxury.. and in that, we lost the purpose.. > It is like this. > > Many Indians( I get reminded of Neeya Naaana programme in Vijay TV) > are doing engineering under duress. They are not really passionate. NOT just engineering.. Every college degree is without purpose.. Has any of the educational institutions solved any problems in our society? (Including IIT??) My district namakkal is a transport hub, now facing so many problems.. there are around 30 engineering colleges in this... but NONE of the mechanical students know anything about engines or other automobile parts.. But, an ordinary worker in the workshop, will find the fault in the engine, just by observing its sound.. > That is a very deep cultural thing. Nobody can erase it. Nobody can improve > it. > > We are born that way. The same way we are born with a certain nose and > have a certain height. This is pessimistic.. As explained above, this is not cultural thing.. we can change.. but for that, we need to understand ourselves, our history and our native education system.. (again refer www.dharampal.net ) Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Interview of Linus Torvalds; He Also Speaks Of Sad Situation Of India
On 11/3/2011 12:51 PM, santhosh kumar wrote: > > The most important problem is the poor quality of education and curriculum > set forth. Final year engineering students are studying HTML and believe me > ive seen people by hearting the tags, and scratch their heads when doing a > practical exercise in HTML. Its that bad. To add to this, the quality of > faculties, people who have just completed thieir PG's which they obviously > completed immediately after their UG is taken as a lecturer. Without any > real world knowledge what good are they to the students they teach. > Adding to it, the daily tests being conducted even in engineering colleges. Recently i conducted a small meeting for students in my relative circle. They told, that they have no time to spend for learning other things, as they have daily drill tests.Can we save our students from all these? Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ILUG-BOM] Interview of Linus Torvalds; He Also Speaks Of Sad Situation Of India
On 11/3/2011 11:00 AM, Manokaran K wrote: > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:48 AM, technocraze wrote: > >> >> I wish, LUGC could research more on this and propose solutions. >> >> > You have succinctly captured our fundamental problem: we would like some > one else to solve our problems - do the ground work, analyze and propose a > few options so we can easily pick one and implement it :-) > > The much derided college education system is only a reflection of the > larger issues in our society! > > Don't get me wrong, am as much in the same boat as you! I am already doing this for the past 3 years, at the individual capacity.. and today, i have around 5 persons whom i trained supporting me. and i had networked with few like minded people in my region. As an individual, i could only do what is possible in my surrounding and environment. Why i called in ILUGC is, to create a systematic decentralised framework, to bring in a change at the state level. In my understanding, we dont have a direction. We cannot expect student to learn all by themselves, to search for themselves a suitable open source project and then to join it. Because, they lack the basic essential skills. There are around 600 engineering college in tamilnadu alone. I believe, atleast 100 of them would have good facilities. If we could make atleast two or three students in each of these selected 100 college to participate in an open source project, we would be having atleast 200 students from tamilnadu alone contributing to open source. But we dont have that big initiative. Only Linux Baskar from this group has covered most colleges in tamilnadu in installing open source labs, which is mindblowing. Why not we utilise his network for bringing the next push? PS: When some one puts forth a suggestion, please dont bang on him asking "What have you done".. Focus on the idea being suggested. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ILUG-BOM] Interview of Linus Torvalds; He Also Speaks Of Sad Situation Of India
On 11/3/2011 9:43 AM, Version Control Buddy wrote: > There is a fair amount of really enthusiastic local LUGs and I get to > hear about them. But, at the same time I don't know India, you know > much better. My gut feeling is that a lot of the actual professional > developers in India see software development as a job and not as a > hobby. That's the kind of picture I've gotten, I don't know if it's > true. If you see it [software development] as a job and not as a hobby > the whole open source thing is not as natural anymore. I second it.. The whole life style of an indian student is spoiled within 4 walls of the class room.. In reality, there is no hobby for much of indian students, except for cinema, cricket and drinks.. The common attitude we find among our people is to be jolly, which means. free from any responsibility.. Another reason is that students in college are not taught anything practical... There is no direction, no vision, and no purpose.. I wish, LUGC could research more on this and propose solutions. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] GNU Health-1.4.1 released
On 11/2/2011 5:01 PM, Zico wrote: > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:49 AM, A. Mani wrote: > >> http://health.gnu.org/ >> >> GNU Health 1.4.1 released ! >> I'm happy to announce the release of GNU Health 1.4.1, in which we >> have incorporated support for PyPI, the Python Package Index >> >> This version is compatible with the latest tryton release (2.2.0). Now >> GNU Health is also a set of python modules, fully integrated to the >> Python community. >> > Congratulations! This is really fantastic to see such a mission critical > system with such easy colorful and understandable GUI. Congratulations > again. > I tried using this product two months back, but could not understand the workflow. The UI is exactly the same as that of OpenERP. I think, it is developed on top of it. I am very much surprised and happy, that it was released by an indian. Wish that this project kicks off. I would once again study this software and spread this among my friends circles. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ilugd] [FSF] Stand up for your freedom to install free software
On10/18/2011 8:24 PM, Rajapandi wrote: > We're looking at a world in which it could become impossible for the > average user to install GNU/Linux on any new computer, so too much is > at stake for us to wait and see if computer manufacturers will do the > right thing. "Secure Boot" could all too easily become a euphemism for > restriction and control by computer makers and Microsoft -- freedom > and security necessitate users being in charge of their own computers. Even if windows restricts, the open source community can overcome this by another boot loader. Why install windows first? Install Linux First, and then windows, so that Linux boot loader handles all boot startup? Atleast that's how i do in my system.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] என் ஆர் சி பா ஸ் - மின்பதிப்பாக் கப் பட்டறை
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Wednesday 04 March 2009 19:24:50 Vikram Vincent wrote: Yes all indians respect each others' language. except ramadoss and raj thackeray and other language fanatics Being a senior person I think that such rash comments should be avoided. Amachu is not a fanatic. He just loves to communicate in his mother tongue more than others. Linguistic fanatics are people who promote language for the sake of language and without any scientific understanding of the historical perspective of language. I agree with it.. Ramadoss may not be understanding what kenneth says.. but he wants to bring about a change.. i had known him and although i dont agree with what he says, calling him fanatic may be rude.. I request ramadoss to be flexible and understand the larger context of the environment we are working in.. tamil cannot be brought in this way by sending mails in tamil to a list which comprises of all people.. If ramadoss could show some flexibility, we can promote localisation through this group itself using english as common meduim.. Regards, senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source now in political domain
It is to be seen whether they earnestly implement their manifesto or it is nothing but hot air and empty promises. They are already using open source in their portal.. The company that is handling their IT operation is Tetra (tetrain.com) which is doing business on open source consulting. Regarding their IT Vision, the following points are appreciated.. * 2 MBPS Internet connection at every village. (its possible, considering the fact that EVDO provides up to 2.4 MBPS even in smaller towns).. * To standardise open standard and open source. * Promotion of IT in Indian Languages.. -- i think, if they implement this, its a boost for more penetration of open source to our people, who dont know english.. any way.. if other political parties also follow this, then the open source concept will spread to people through election.. (people will atleast want know what open source is) Regards, senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] beginner in python needing help
The list of good languages in my own unusually partial opinion are C, perl, python, lua and javascript. -Giris The latest ROR seems to be overtaking python.. one of my friend ordered it as ruby,python and PHP Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Student Project - Can we sustain the momentum
Hi, There are many suggestions from our members regarding the students project. Can we make use of this momentum, and prepare a framework and guidelines for the engineering students? Interested members among us can form a team, and decide upon the modalaties. We can have a audio conference at a convenient time. Also, the details given by our members can be updated in the chennai lug site. Particularly the novel link appears very useful to me. Regards, senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] dokeos.com - an alternative to moodle.
Hi, I recently came across another elearning tool dokeos.com . I tried installing locally, and it was fantastic with all the features.. Any one tried this? Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Canonical Not Great Contributor
I just learnt from a friend of mine that I should stop using Ubuntu as Canonical is not contributing to the development of GNU/Linux systems as compared to other players. He also suggested that since most of its stuff, or nothing, is upstream so we cant trust it. Also his argument was, being run by one man, who may tomorrow change his mind and stop support to Ubuntu, then what? But ubuntu releases its source code to the general public.. so any one can make use of it .. (If i am wrong please correct me) ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Students Project - suggestions
Dear luggies Consequent to the interest ILUGC has generated among students, I am getting lot of request for suggesting proects. In some colleges, they have decided out-and-out FOSS based projects. Please suggest projects ideas. Please keep in mind the constraints a. The projects are not fulltime for B.E students b. Most will have only preliminary knowledge - but can pickup fast. c. Should point out resources available on net This is a welcome move in our LUG. I too had lot of enquiries from lot of students, but could not give an effective help. Discussing in this list can bring some positive outcome. Some of criterias that i feel are important: 1. The academic project should be done for some real life requirements. No matter, what it is. If it solves a real life problem, then this project is worth while doing it. 2. The basic skills needed for doing the project is very important. We cannot guide project at the 8th semester, if the students dont know even the basic. 3. Even MCA students can be included in FOSS projects. The FOSS project that is being undertaken should be fullfilling, and should be towards implementing in a common life scenario. For example, if the student are doing an ecommerce project, they have to work towards implementing it in real life, and atleast deal some 2 or 3 prodcuts through that software. Only then, both the project experience and the software would be useful for the students. Secondly, as we have seen, no single matured foss project is short term. For example, wordpress has been started before 2006 and still its evolving. So, we should have a setup, so that, we build a student community of contributors across colleges under a common platform, so that the project they do evolve in to a mature one over the period of time. But for that, we need to have a strong platform, a vibrant community, and the open source development model. By platform, i mean, a site that contains the SVN, Wiki, project management, IRC etc. By Vibrant community, i mean, the contributors should be passionate about it, and should not do it for academic sake. By Open source model, i mean, the concrete process to commit source code, and a workable model, where different team takes different tasks towards the common objective. Its a model or process that should be finalised before starting project and should be strictly followed by the contributors. To achieve those, there are some basic requirements to be fulfilled. The students should be trained in using svn, and other tools to be used for project management. Only then they will be able to maintain, manage and take control of their development work. Secondly, regular meetings and conferences is to be held both in person, and over IRC, so that they would be able to discuss each and everypart of the project. As everyone knows, a foss project is NOT merely a coding. Infact coding contributes only minor part of the development. What is required is a solid concept, with optimal architecture for the project to start with. So the students should finalise on a concept, and start periodical discussion on various aspects of the project and document it. *FOSS Project that i undertook --- *I have been taken an initiative on my own, to guide 4 students from Mahendra engineering college. I would seek the opinion of the group members over it. The project i suggested to them was "College ERP". To develop a basic module for the college to manage their administrative and academic tasks. This is essentially for the college management, and would greatly improve the management capability and decision making ability for the college. I am aware that this is too big a project for a BE student to take it as academic project. However, i thought, that we would be covering only basic and essential modules for the college, and it can be continued as a long term project with next batch of students taking up from where they left. The advantage i feel is that the current student can involve in the project till they get a suitable job, and in turn train a batch of their junior to work on it. Even after getting a job, they can very well guide their juniors with their technical skills. My idea can mostly be a unfeasible one, but my guess is that if the project kicks off, it would become a active foss project, else, it would become a normal academic project. So any way, there is no loss for the student. *My Suggestion: *If any of the members are convinced of my idea above, we can work together and convert it in to an active FOSS project, involving students from various projects, working on different modules. For credibility, a brand name can be created by starting a community enterprise, or atleast by maintaining a fullfledged website, so that students can always refer to, when they submit their project to their management. This can be done
Re: [Ilugc] Re: FOURTH ESTATE CRITIQUE Walking from Kasargod to Trivandrum for Freedom
Yes local support is the key. We are banking completely on local support for the program. There are two assumptions here - the local community has to rise up to own the event in their locality and then ride the event to promote the local activism. What we are offering is an application framework and the APIs - communities have to hack their way in and create their own applications :-). Isn't that how Free Software Communities work. Only the real life requirement drives any good project.. If we see most of the open source projects, they are initially done for a specific requirement for the real life. The main reason why there is not much of open source projects is that those who have technical knowledge is not connected with those who need a software for their opearations.. Also, there has been no major discussion in this group (as far as i have known) so far on any ideas to start the open source project. I personally have lot of ideas which can be started as an open source projects.. but where is the platform to discuss all those.. only when we discuss we can create a workable model and then implement those. Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
