Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Ashok Gautham wrote: > Another possible option is to request the users to create a separate id for > all their > mailing lists and keep it for that alone. I have even seen on person have > ids like this > foo+a...@gmail.com > > > > foo+il...@gmail.com > > > > foo+perso...@gmail.com < > foo%2bperso...@gmail.com > > foo+for...@gmail.com > > > etc All these are the same ID. basically its f...@gmail.com GMail ignores + and whatever after that. Ideal thing is to create b...@gmail.com which are exclusively for lists(No address book entries in them) and link it with f...@gmail.com( Personal with contacts). GMail gives you option of both sending and receiving in foo ID itself.(Any mail with IMAP/forwarding support for that matter i guess) So even if the person is happy to share password of personal ID to xyz.com for what-so-ever, lists dont get spammed. -- Regards Srikanth.L [Twitter] http://twitter.com/logic ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
Another possible option is to request the users to create a separate id for all their mailing lists and keep it for that alone. I have even seen on person have ids like this foo+a...@gmail.com foo+il...@gmail.com foo+perso...@gmail.com foo+for...@gmail.com etc --- Ashok `ScriptDevil` Gautham ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 21:32 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 12 February 2009 21:24:39 Roshan George wrote: > > 1. hi5.com > > 2. mail.orkut.com > > 3. yaariinvites.com > > 4. friendster.com > > 5. taggedmail.com > > 6. jhoos.com > > 7. whereareyounow.net > > 8. ilike.com > > and all subdomains of the above. That should rid the list of the > > majority of social networking sites that I know of and should deal with > > the problem once and for all (providing some user doesn't find some > > esoteric service that does this). > > you forgot linkedin (major flamewar going on on the Mumbai list in this > regard) and about 1 other sites - its a no win situation. I suppose it is, indeed. A pity. -- Regards, Roshan George ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thursday 12 February 2009 21:24:39 Roshan George wrote: > 1. hi5.com > 2. mail.orkut.com > 3. yaariinvites.com > 4. friendster.com > 5. taggedmail.com > 6. jhoos.com > 7. whereareyounow.net > 8. ilike.com > and all subdomains of the above. That should rid the list of the > majority of social networking sites that I know of and should deal with > the problem once and for all (providing some user doesn't find some > esoteric service that does this). you forgot linkedin (major flamewar going on on the Mumbai list in this regard) and about 1 other sites - its a no win situation. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 20:57 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > our list admin is a busy person - there are about 20-30 of these a year. It > will increase of course, but we cannot expect the admin to waste his > time. Just ban them - every one else will start getting careful. That is what > is being done in the Hyderabad lug I understand and his work is definitely appreciated. The list has been very helpful to me. However, banning the domains would be a one-time task, and would ensure that this never happens again. Banning the users means that new users who do not read the guidelines may commit the offence, thereby increasing workload on the admin (if he chooses to go the unsubscribe-and-ban-the-user route). If the admin does choose to ban the domains instead, here is a list that may help: 1. hi5.com 2. mail.orkut.com 3. yaariinvites.com 4. friendster.com 5. taggedmail.com 6. jhoos.com 7. whereareyounow.net 8. ilike.com and all subdomains of the above. That should rid the list of the majority of social networking sites that I know of and should deal with the problem once and for all (providing some user doesn't find some esoteric service that does this). -- Regards, Roshan George ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thursday 12 February 2009 20:47:28 Roshan George wrote: > On Thursday 12 Feb 2009, p.sriram wrote: > > any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever > > shall be immediately unsubscribed and also banned from subscribing in > > future - yes / no > > I think these would be good options (in decreasing order of > desirability): > 1. Reject all email from yaari, hi5, orkut domains (view the message > headers, the email that triggered this discussion comes from > yaariinvites.com). I do not know how mailman works, but it should be > easy to add this domain to its spam filters (if it has any) or drop the > email at the mail server. > 2. It is possible, I think it is possible to contact these websites and > add the ilugc mailing list address to a blacklist so that no requests > are sent here even if requested. our list admin is a busy person - there are about 20-30 of these a year. It will increase of course, but we cannot expect the admin to waste his time. Just ban them - every one else will start getting careful. That is what is being done in the Hyderabad lug -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
Hello, On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, p.sriram wrote: > users who join and invite others to yaari etc etc. it is to be noted that the > mail comes with a from address of the user who is 'inviting' us to yaari. > and, > these invites just keep coming. Normally, if you use SPF records to check incoming mail, then that stops this kind of indirect mail. A mail server _can_ set a "From:" header to anything but its "From " header should be a domain it is authorised to serve. (The analogue is the "sender address" versus the "post-office stamp" --- faking the latter is a criminal offence!). > any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever shall be > immediately unsubscribed and also banned from subscribing in future - yes / no I think Akarsh and Parthan have made some valid points --- so "no" is my response. Kapil. -- ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thursday 12 Feb 2009, p.sriram wrote: > > any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever > shall be immediately unsubscribed and also banned from subscribing in > future - yes / no I think these would be good options (in decreasing order of desirability): 1. Reject all email from yaari, hi5, orkut domains (view the message headers, the email that triggered this discussion comes from yaariinvites.com). I do not know how mailman works, but it should be easy to add this domain to its spam filters (if it has any) or drop the email at the mail server. 2. It is possible, I think it is possible to contact these websites and add the ilugc mailing list address to a blacklist so that no requests are sent here even if requested. 3. Unsubscribe users as soon as one such email is found. Why I prefer the first two is that they're preventive and more effective than the latter. -- Regards, Roshan George ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM, p. sriram wrote: > any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever shall be > immediately unsubscribed and also banned from subscribing in future - yes / no > no Parthan made some good points, thumping the guilty on the head is enough, banning/burning/lynching is a little extreme. ~Roshan ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thursday 12 Feb 2009, p.sriram wrote: > any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever > shall be immediately unsubscribed and also banned from subscribing in > future - yes / no Yes -- Arun Khan ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
Do the offending sites just spoof the 'from' address or does it really use the victim's mail account to send these mails! If it is indeed using the victim's mail id will not the victim resetting his password prevent further abuse like it happened in suhail-yaari case! regds, mano ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thursday 12 February 2009 11:27:05 p.sriram wrote: > any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever shall be > immediately unsubscribed and also banned from subscribing in future - yes / > no yes -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Bharathi Subramanian wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, p.sriram wrote: > >> any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever >> shall be immediately unsubscribed and > Agree >> also banned from subscribing in future > Agree again. Its not the user who's banned. Only the mail id is banned. The same person can create a new id and join - and hopefully is more prudent in giving its password to random sites! Of course, some new comers will keep doing this but thats tolerable. mano ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, p.sriram wrote: > any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever > shall be immediately unsubscribed and YES. > also banned from subscribing in future No - May be for some more time. Members should avoid replying to those mails in the list. Instead they can send private mail(s) to the person, that is more effective and you may get some interesting replies :) Bye :) -- Bharathi S ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
p.sriram wrote: any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever shall be immediately unsubscribed and also banned from subscribing in future - yes / no Well, as a list admin of a few lists myself I have thought about this and my stance is [1] Either moderate them or ban them, this makes sure that they learn their lessons and are careful in future [2] Moderation or banning actually doesn't stop new people from doing the same mistake. It is usually a new comer to the list (who is also a new comer to the culture of mailing list and etiquettes) who does such mistakes and hence it will keep happening once in a while, as new people keep joining and making mistakes. May be moderating a new member until he has made N number of posts or for N weeks makes some sense, but takes a huge overhead on the list admins as they have to keep constantly checking and marking on/off people. [3] the seasoned members also need to have some amount of tolerance. We all know why it is happening and who's making it. We also know we can't stop it, especially in a active list such as ours. Under such circumstance, I feel "Delete" key is an easier and quicker solution than making an huge thread out of every such mail. We all know the admins/mods are watching such mails as well, and action will be taken without much noise. My 2 paisas. -- With Regards, Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026) http://technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
> any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever shall be > immediately unsubscribed and also banned from subscribing in future - yes / no I don't think that will help a lot, because it normally comes only once from any particular person. What I do in my mailbox to block these stuff is to use procmail to junk any messages that have the "signature" of these invitations in their subject lines. Can something of that sort be implemented on the server? Regards Akarsh ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
Anand writes: > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Balakrishnan Velayuthan > > wrote: > > > Balakrishnan Velayuthan wants you to join Yaari! > > > > No use asking someone to stop. Why don't we blacklist those domains > > (*.yaariinvites.com) in our mail servers? > > > Now that's a good idea... cant do that; this mail server serves other users, including lots of clueless users who join and invite others to yaari etc etc. it is to be noted that the mail comes with a from address of the user who is 'inviting' us to yaari. and, these invites just keep coming. the only way is to throw those id's out of the list and ban them from re-subscribing. interested users can always get themselves a new id and subscribe that - thats the price they pay for spamming the list. i am tempted to do this unilaterally, but i would like the group opinion on this. any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever shall be immediately unsubscribed and also banned from subscribing in future - yes / no if you would like to give your opinion in confidence (private mail to me) thats fine too. sriram list admin ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
