Re: system bootup time (Was Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?)
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Arun Kumar Khan kn...@yahoo.com wrote: On Monday 26 Jan 2009, Sujith wrote: Wow, 30 seconds ? My Arch machine boots in about half of that. :) Are the above numbers from power ON to [GKX]DM login prompt? Both Venkatraman and Sujith, can you please share your hardware setup and what did you do to shorten the bootup time. Well. I run arch too. I am not exaggerating, but my Arch boot time is 9 seconds. I backgrounded all the daemons. In my /etc/rc.conf (The arch sys conf file) DAEMONS=(syslog-ng @network @netfs @crond @httpd @alsa @mpd). It is safer not to background syslog-ng. UDev takes the maximum time (3 seconds). The rest disappear as soon as they arrive. And @ backgrounds the processes. I dont use a login manager. I log into screen as soon as I log in. Also, of all the login managers I have used, slim was the fastest. It added 3-5 seconds to the startup. Just uncomment the line in /etc/inittab. Some of this speedgain comes because Arch Keeps it Simple! Machine Specs: uname -a Linux Hell 2.6.28-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 18 20:17:17 UTC 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux Motherboard-G33 Flags flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts --- Ashok `ScriptDevil` Gautham ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: system bootup time (Was Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?)
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Ashok Gautham thescriptde...@gmail.com wrote: Also, of all the login managers I have used, slim was the fastest. It added 3-5 seconds to the startup. Have you tried qingy? and benchmarked it? ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Monday 26 Jan 2009 11:32:41 am Vamsee Kanakala wrote: After close to 3 years of using it on desktops servers, I find it rather hard to believe. Care to back it up? no You're just making it difficult for people to take you seriously. Unless there is a vast silent section of people in ILUGC who take their technology decisions because you said so :p. V. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
Venkatraman S wrote: btw, finally got my Hardy boot times30 sec...and shutdown is lighting fast. Wow, 30 seconds ? My Arch machine boots in about half of that. :) Sujith -- http://sujith-m.blogspot.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
Subject: Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash? To: ILUG-C ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in Message-ID: a3b05e8b0901260451x3e35302fp2db5301f31d41...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Vamsee Kanakala vamli...@gmail.com wrote: You're just making it difficult for people to take you seriously. Unless there is a vast silent section of people in ILUGC who take their technology decisions because you said so :p. It is very important that people understand the importance of mailing lists. It is very common for n00bs to search for some terms and stumble on posts - and if they do stumble on posts like this, then we have lost them! And in this case, it is very unfortunate that we have to deal with a senior member in the community, who i suppose is considering this as some social experiment. Kapil's link http://donotfeedtheenergybeast.com/ is more than enough for this mail chain and does it succinctly. You need a lot of newbies for a movement like FOSS to thrive. If u do not take them also along, the movement gradually dies. I recall and earlier article written by Mr Niyam Bushan in Linux for You regarding the importance of newbies. Unfortuantely I donot have the URL. And I think Ubuntu does this very nicely, thank you. I do not care for any other opinion. NS Srikanth -- No plants or animals were killed in the process of sending this email. But a lot of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
On Saturday 24 Jan 2009 8:57:35 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: ubuntu is crap - go for some reliable distro This comment is crap too, KG, if you don't elaborate. :) ubuntu has a habit of releasing untested stuff - and winds up giving a bad name for linux -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [OT] Rudeness (Was Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?)
On Saturday 24 Jan 2009 10:14:49 pm Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Saturday 24 Jan 2009 8:35:24 pm Venkatesh Nandakumar wrote: My computer, started crashing pretty frequently, after installation of Ubuntu 8.10. ubuntu is crap - go for some reliable distro When you posted a question about KMail a while ago, it would have been possible to reply KMail is crap --- use mutt! but no one did that. why not? I personally am tired of people ditching FOSS and going back to windoze because ubuntu barfs. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [OT] Rudeness (Was Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?)
On Sunday 25 Jan 2009 3:10:56 pm Venkatraman S wrote: why not? I personally am tired of people ditching FOSS and going back to windoze because ubuntu barfs. If you are tired, dont you think you should be part of it too. High time that you should consider going to some silent green mountain and playing golf :P Instead of helping, you stated something that aint credible and also clearly hijacked the thread. In my own little effort, i have made people move to(or atleast try) Ubuntu from Windows - not that the latter sucks, but Ubuntu is better and 'safer'. safer than debian, mandriva, fedora? go to it. And I do not need your permission to play golf. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [OT] Rudeness (Was Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?)
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Saturday 24 Jan 2009 10:14:49 pm Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Saturday 24 Jan 2009 8:35:24 pm Venkatesh Nandakumar wrote: My computer, started crashing pretty frequently, after installation of Ubuntu 8.10. ubuntu is crap - go for some reliable distro When you posted a question about KMail a while ago, it would have been possible to reply KMail is crap --- use mutt! but no one did that. why not? I personally am tired of people ditching FOSS and going back to windoze because ubuntu barfs. ight ! So do you think it is in some way better to encourage people to ditch FOSS and go back to windoze by being entirely unhelpful and rude when they ask for help on a mailing list ? - steve -- Linux Centric Marketplace: http://www.tuxcompatible.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [OT] Rudeness (Was Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?)
On Sunday 25 Jan 2009 3:32:52 pm steve wrote: why not? I personally am tired of people ditching FOSS and going back to windoze because ubuntu barfs. ight ! So do you think it is in some way better to encourage people to ditch FOSS and go back to windoze by being entirely unhelpful and rude when they ask for help on a mailing list ? yes -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 13:59 +0530, Guruprasad wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Guruprasad lgp171...@gmail.com wrote: I have been having similar issues, but could zero it to Overheating as hardware and RAM tests were ok. When my laptop was overheating, no matter how many times I rebooted it, it still crashed with blinking Caps-Lock and I had to manually power off and restart. But one weird thing I noticed here is that, the laptop never failed to crash in the GUI mode when overheating. But when I used one of the consoles (Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6) it didn't crash at all. But when I tried to return to the GUI, it promptly crashed. Could there be any explanations for this? BTW, I forgot to mention that I use Ubuntu Hardy with 2.6.24-16-generic kernel. Perhaps your problem is just incorrectly configured graphics drivers? This could cause high CPU load in X (and consequently overheating, if that's what you detect). -- Regards, Roshan George ros...@arjie.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
Roshan George wrote: Perhaps your problem is just incorrectly configured graphics drivers? This could cause high CPU load in X (and consequently overheating, if that's what you detect). I have iwl3945 and nvidia-glx drivers working out of the box right from the day I installed Ubuntu Hardy some 6 or 7 months back. This issue happened a couple of days back and went away only after the laptop cooled down. Now after that I haven't had any crashes though there has been some heat in the base of my laptop as it had been the day of frequent crashes. I was googling for this problem and I found some resources saying that ACPI support wasn't that good in Ubuntu Hardy's default kernel. I don't know if that applies to my case. But I want to dig more into it and exactly zero in to the problem. Thank you. Regards, Guruprasad. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 18:40 +0530, Guruprasad wrote: I was googling for this problem and I found some resources saying that ACPI support wasn't that good in Ubuntu Hardy's default kernel. I don't know if that applies to my case. But I want to dig more into it and exactly zero in to the problem. I see. Please do share if it does turn out that Ubuntu Hardy has trouble with ACPI and if you do manage to isolate the problem. I have also had problems with heat in the past (though the computer has never stopped on its own before) and would like to know. -- Regards, Roshan George ros...@arjie.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
Hi, I suspect you have hardware/heating problem. Open up the side panels of overheating. If your motherboard reports temperatures over ACPI, you can Possibly, I've installed sensors-applet for that now, to keep a check of the temp. I have a laptop. Do you get kernel panic messages? Also, run memtest on your RAM. Seems like a kernel panic, following https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/308471/comments/3 I've set kernel.panel = 15 to sysctl.conf, If it reboots for me after the hang, then now I'd be sure of it. The bug report is same problem that I have. to date? Could you try removing the iwl3945 module and using just wired I just cant, I have no access to internet otherwise except college's wifi. Perhaps your problem is just incorrectly configured graphics drivers? This could cause high CPU load in X (and consequently overheating, if No, `top` does not show high load due to X or any particular process. I found the link given in this comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/308471/comments/4 too technical, but the method says it would be able to print kernel messages even with a system freezes (Lines 45-53). Do you think it would be beneficial in my case? Thanks, Venkatesh Nandakumar ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [OT] Rudeness (Was Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?)
Ashok Gautham wrote: Fedora was on my list because of aesthetics. But it looks like Fedora does not, unlike ubuntu, give you a 1 click way of adding mp3 codecs etc. More like Fedora is a more oriented towards Free and open source software and cannot because it is patent encumbered codec and a US based distribution cannot legally point to patent encumbered codecs. However it is trivial to get mp3 codec support in Fedora http://www.fedorafaq.org/ To enable some extras, repositories: # rpm -Uvh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-10.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm # yum install gstreamer-plugins-ugly Clicking on the release package in http://rpmfusion.org is a point and click affair as well. Rahul ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
--- On Sun, 25/1/09, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: ubuntu is crap - go for some reliable distro This comment is crap too, KG, if you don't elaborate. :) ubuntu has a habit of releasing untested stuff - and winds up giving a bad name for linux Mandriva aka Mandrake is no better. I had worst experience with it when I installed in a doctor's house. It messed the partition table and the windows partition gone. Worst thing is the trouble with partition manager was filed as bug during beta stage itself. Still they preferred to release. Needless to say that was the last time I touched Mandrake. Raman.P Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
Hi, My computer, started crashing pretty frequently, after installation of Ubuntu 8.10. The question I want to know is, what logs do I read to figure out what exactly went wrong? I know this is pretty ambiguous, so here are some more details. I've already checked out kern.log, syslog, dmesg logs, daemon logs. Nothing seems suspicious. Clipped version is here :- http://pastebin.com/md487ccc My hardware config:- http://pastebin.com/m130ac839 I think the possibility could be pidgin and/or gnome-do (cause i've enabled a number of plugins which came with it), and am currently logging it in debug mode, just in case I'm not expecting anyone to solve the problem for me here, just want notice on how to proceed, what to look out for..? Thanks, Venkatesh Nandakumar ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: ubuntu is crap - go for some reliable distro Care to explain? If you prefer using one distro at the same time not comfortable with some other distro, you are free to prescribe your favourite distro to people but that doesn't mean you can call other distros as crap. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Parthan SR parth.technofr...@gmail.com wrote: you are free to prescribe your favourite distro to people but that doesn't mean you can call other distros as crap. Au contraire, it's so much more fun to diss things. We shouldn't be too particular about keeping it civil, so much more fun to be fighting it out here. :) ~Roshan ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
Hello, On Sat, 24 Jan 2009, Venkatesh Nandakumar wrote: My computer, started crashing pretty frequently, after installation of Ubuntu 8.10. What exactly does crash mean? Choose one of the following: * some programs stop working * the user gets logged out * the computer stops responding to keyboard/mouse/network * the computer reboots * something else All answers have equal marks and there is negative marking ;) Kapil. -- ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[OT] Rudeness (Was Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?)
Hello, On Sat, 24 Jan 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Saturday 24 Jan 2009 8:35:24 pm Venkatesh Nandakumar wrote: My computer, started crashing pretty frequently, after installation of Ubuntu 8.10. ubuntu is crap - go for some reliable distro When you posted a question about KMail a while ago, it would have been possible to reply KMail is crap --- use mutt! but no one did that. People on this list actually tried to help you. It would be nice if you showed similar courtesy to others. Kapil. -- ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
2009/1/24 Parthan SR parth.technofr...@gmail.com Venkatesh Nandakumar wrote: Hi, My computer, started crashing pretty frequently, after installation of Ubuntu 8.10. The question I want to know is, what logs do I read to figure out what exactly went wrong? I know this is pretty ambiguous, so here are some more details. I've already checked out kern.log, syslog, dmesg logs, daemon logs. Nothing seems suspicious. Clipped version is here :- http://pastebin.com/md487ccc My hardware config:- http://pastebin.com/m130ac839 I think the possibility could be pidgin and/or gnome-do (cause i've enabled a number of plugins which came with it), and am currently logging it in debug mode, just in case It's still pretty ambiguous because you haven't defined what do you mean by crash. What does it actually crash and when? When it is showing the splash screen during boot up? or at the login screen? or after you have logged in and when the desktop is loading up? Or when the desktop has completely loaded and there is some app started on first login? Unless you tell it out it's very hard to diagnose what's causing the problem. Hi, It crashes after its fully up and running..Usually, 2-3 hours+ after starting up. The system just freezes. My Caps-Lock indicator starts blinking(and that's when I get the indication :) ), and that's pretty much it. Venkatesh Nandakumar I'm not expecting anyone to solve the problem for me here, just want notice on how to proceed, what to look out for. Well, that's weird. Any help asked is generally towards solving the problem. Even if we say how to proceed and what to look for, it's towards finding the culprit and solving the problem. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Arun Kumar Khan kn...@yahoo.com wrote: On Saturday 24 Jan 2009, Venkatesh Nandakumar wrote: It crashes after its fully up and running..Usually, 2-3 hours+ after starting up. The system just freezes. My Caps-Lock indicator starts blinking(and that's when I get the indication :) ), and that's pretty much it. I suspect you have hardware/heating problem. Open up the side panels of your cabinet see if that helps. Very likely. If possible boot off another distro (which can be booted from a disc) and see if this happens. If it does, its more likely a hardware problem. As for Ubuntu being crap, I've been using (and still using) Ubuntu 7.10 from 10/07 and have not felt the necessity to upgrade though I hear the later versions are much better. regds, mano ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
