[Ilugc] Women in Free Software Community
HI, Listening to Women in Free Software Community at mukt.in by Vidya Iyer. 2006 - 1.5% in Free Software Community ? why? what can be done? what need to be done? -- Regards, Sri Ramadoss M ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Yes.. its indeed true.. Not even a bit of enthusiasm.. I just tried explaining to my two cousin sisters, all working as lecturers.. All of no use :( Open source needs strategic mindset.. women generally lack that strategic sense.. this is my humble opinion.. Regards, Senthil Raja On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Sri Ramadoss M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > HI, > > Listening to Women in Free Software Community at mukt.in by Vidya Iyer. > > 2006 - 1.5% in Free Software Community ? > > why? what can be done? what need to be done? > > -- > Regards, > > Sri Ramadoss M > ___ > To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > "unsubscribe " > in the subject or body of the message. > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc > ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 02-Aug-08, at 7:55 PM, senthilraja P wrote: Yes.. its indeed true.. Not even a bit of enthusiasm.. I just tried explaining to my two cousin sisters, all working as lecturers.. All of no use :( since you are incapable of understanding what is top posting and why you should not do it, how can you explain anything to anyone? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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> I just tried explaining to my two cousin sisters, all > working as lecturers.. > All of no use :( > > Open source needs strategic mindset.. women generally lack > that strategic > sense.. this is my humble opinion.. > > Regards, > Senthil Raja Dear Raja Ji, Kenneth Ji has already written about top posting, so I would get directly to the point you are trying to raise here. I would beg to differ on your opinion, we cannot associate open source with anything peculiar or particular like 'strategic mindset'. Its a way of life...the choices some of us have made..And I strongly oppose generalizing on basis of gender or 'whatever'. It's just that its a male dominated society where in we believe that we are superior, which is quite quite incorrect. There are many woman active in FOSS domain, for your kind information recently GNOME Foundation appointed their first Executive Director, and you must be surprised to learn that she is a woman -- and her name is Stormy Peters -- you can read her interview also at :http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/27615/news.htm I remember once the famous science fiction writer A C Clarke was asked did he believe in God he said: "I don't know if *she* exist!" May be the god is a girl... ;-) Swapnil Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/ ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 02-Aug-08, at 8:25 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: There are many woman active in FOSS domain, for your kind information recently GNOME Foundation appointed their first Executive Director, and you must be surprised to learn that she is a woman -- and her name is Stormy Peters -- you can read her interview also at :http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/27615/news.htm I remember once the famous science fiction writer A C Clarke was asked did he believe in God he said: "I don't know if *she* exist!" May be the god is a girl... if you look at the schedule of linux.conf.au you will find that around 30% of the participants are women -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Women in Free Software Community
senthilraja P wrote: Yes.. its indeed true.. Not even a bit of enthusiasm.. I just tried explaining to my two cousin sisters, all working as lecturers.. All of no use :( Open source needs strategic mindset.. women generally lack that strategic sense.. this is my humble opinion.. Bleh[1]: Please do not top post and please chop off old signatures when you are quoting past mails. Bleh[2]: Open source needs open minds and whoever has it will be successful. There are lots of successful women in FOSS world, especially in area which need creative, patient minds. As far as I am exposed to Ubuntu project, there are lots of women participating in higher levels of managing the project. I also know few womens who are more like brand names in Usability and HCI area, especially in KDE circles. We also have women from India contributing to the Linux kernel project itself. We have lots of Indian women involved in Localization projects. Just because you didn't know any of them till now, please stop from making such statements. Open Source do not consider only writing code as contribution, and we have a hell lot of non-code-writing women contributions. May be the problem was with the "lecturing" part, which is common with all kids. You have to show them how interesting the contributing to FOSS can get and how they can make a mark without getting into writing code. If you try to teach PHP and MYSQL everytime and to every kid out there, that might not be interesting enough for them. Just my 2 paisas :) -- --- With Regards, Parthan "technofreak" 2FF01026 http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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> if you look at the schedule of linux.conf.au you will find > that > around 30% of the participants are women > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/ ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Debian Women is one of stand out example. Apart from that, I feel that girls normally prefer not being at the computer. However I feel that girls are equally good at grasping stuff. I was teaching the basics of bash to my classmates. The girls were actually able to write more working code than boys. It might just be that the grasping levels were not the same. But still... Girls _can_ do it. I remember reading in Kenneth Rosen's book "De Morgan advised Lady Ada Lovelace not to do too much of math since it could affect her child bearing capabilities"... Lady Ada went on to become the first computer programmer. Also recently, some lady got the turing award. I dont remember her name. In IRC however, there are very few girls proving only 1 point, their virtual selves are less chatty :P -- Be yourself everyday, every way ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Gender does obstruct knowledge! Please check up http://ubuntu-women.org/. I'm with linux close to a decade and in the last few years, appearance of women in open source network world is only increasing :) Regards Bama ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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/** since you are incapable of understanding what is top posting and why you should not do it, how can you explain anything to anyone? **/ /** Bleh[1]: Please do not top post and please chop off old signatures when you are quoting past mails. **/ I am extremely sorry for top posting.. kenneth.. i understood top posting thanks your guidance earlier.. Now this is a careless mistake on my part, and i apologize for that.. /** I would beg to differ on your opinion, we cannot associate open source with anything peculiar or particular like 'strategic mindset'. Its a way of life...the choices some of us have made..And I strongly oppose generalizing on basis of gender or 'whatever'. It's just that its a male dominated society where in we believe that we are superior, which is quite quite incorrect. **/ I am not talking of male superiority.. i am of the opinion that no one can be superior in all aspects over others.. Everyone have their unique strength and weakness.. Infact, women are superior in many of the aspects than men.. so no question of supporting male domination here.. /** Open source needs open minds and whoever has it will be successful. There are lots of successful women in FOSS world, especially in area which need creative, patient minds. As far as I am exposed to Ubuntu project, there are lots of women participating in higher levels of managing the project. I also know few womens who are more like brand names in Usability and HCI area, especially in KDE circles. We also have women from India contributing to the Linux kernel project itself. We have lots of Indian women involved in Localization projects. **/ Regarding women's participation in FOSS, i am not generalising any thing.. i just expressed the underlying reason, that i had opined.. There is no second thought women should be encouraged to participate.. Btw, i am a fan of "Alolita Sharma" who writes regularly at LFY.. we can see her blog at http://opensourcebuzz.blogspot.com/ However, the fact that there is only negligible women members participating in the discussion here, cannot be overlooked.. Hope, i am not top posting now.. Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 22:12:44 Aug 02, Ashok Gautham J. wrote: > Also recently, some lady got the turing award. I dont remember her name. In I think Ada was created by Ada Lovelace? -Girish ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 19:55:52 Aug 02, senthilraja P wrote: > Open source needs strategic mindset.. women generally lack that strategic > sense.. this is my humble opinion.. Man, Women lack strategic mindset? ;) Did you know that even the best of Gods/men have to learn strategy from women? Do you know that Chankya's efforts at capturing the kingdom kept on failing until a woman feeding roti to her child joked and a spy carried this information to Chanakya who then figured out the folly and won? Whether or not that helps in open source is an altogether different matter. And my opinion on this topic ain't worth a penny either. ;) -Girish ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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senthilraja P wrote: Open source needs strategic mindset.. women generally lack that strategic sense.. this is my humble opinion.. Statements such as these are good examples why. Who would want to participate among ignorant patronizing people who are not ashamed to paint broad brushes? Maybe you can learn history of computing a bit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper Or even the current Linux industry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Randal http://www.valhenson.org/ Many others listed in http://www.linuxchix.org/women-open-source-free-software-bibliography.html http://linuxchix.org.in/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Rahul ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 03-Aug-08, at 3:34 PM, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: Also recently, some lady got the turing award. I dont remember her name. In I think Ada was created by Ada Lovelace? she lived hundred years before turing -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On 03-Aug-08, at 10:36 AM, senthilraja P wrote: However, the fact that there is only negligible women members participating in the discussion here, cannot be overlooked.. women in foss in general - very bright and doing a lot. Women in foss in India - i only know of *two* indian women who contribute to foss in their spare time (that is I know many who contribute as part of their job). I may be wrong. But I do not think I am. Hope, i am not top posting now.. no -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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> Hope, i am not top posting now.. > But your quoting is horrible. ;) You need to learn how to quote. google for it. -Girish PS: My quoting is also wrong but it is a minor error ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Maybe you can learn history of computing a bit Past Notable Women of Computing: http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/tap/past-women-cs.html Bye :) -- Bharathi S ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > senthilraja P wrote: > > >> Open source needs strategic mindset.. women generally lack that strategic >> sense.. this is my humble opinion.. >> > > Statements such as these are good examples why. Who would want to > participate among ignorant patronizing people who are not ashamed to paint > broad brushes? > > Maybe you can learn history of computing a bit > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper > > Or even the current Linux industry > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Randal > http://www.valhenson.org/ > > Many others listed in > > http://www.linuxchix.org/women-open-source-free-software-bibliography.html > http://linuxchix.org.in/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > Rahul > > > > One more wiki page to support Rahul statement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Polese -- - Mali _ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
