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[ilugd] Re: Now the Only Way Microsoft Can Die is by Suicide
Sandip Phew! this one really took the wind out of me :) But tell me, - do you think IBM, Oracle and everyone else will just let Java wither away. -- just as IBM has come out with SWT, dont you think others could continue the good work. - What about the extent of adoption of Java -(i feel java has acquired a critical mass ) - Do you think a highly committed developer industry will just move over to C# or .NET or whatever ? - What if the developers of Sun move out and form a new company and continue Java development (if Sun is no longer interested, would it stop them ?) - Another small point- the article says Sun will move back to being Unix server sellers. From what i read, Linux is hurting Sun real bad in the server market, and it continues to increase inroads into Suns market share. Can Sun survive on selling Sun machines ? Sandip, I am not an analyst at this high level - i agree that this could have far-reaching results, but not necessarily the downfall of Java, and not necessarily the rise of C#/NET. Possibilities that come to mind: a. IBM playing a lead role in Java development, perhaps opensourcing it too. b. An opensource spinoff of Java that gathers industry support c. Sun fights hard for Java and itself, realises painfully that OSS is the only way and finally goes open. Either way, i am not sure how Sun will survive. For a year atleast it was clear that Sun had to do something radically different to survive: - Linux was eating up its server market - Java was not making much money for it (Sandip i dont agree that Sun One/IPlanet/whatever was really making enough money for Sun). This marriage was the last thing expected, but then there were no other choices that made sense to McNeally. (Would opensourcing Java have saved Sun ???) Anyway, i am keeping eyes peeled for other articles on this, let us know if you come across anything further. On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 00:57, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: While articles of this guy generally contain sweeping jumps to conclusions sometimes...this time I am in quite an agreement with him. If LL would remember, I have been predicting something big about to hit the software world soon, and people will never know till it hits them. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [x-posted]Re: [FSF-WG] Bill Gates quote
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Snip To be fair to Billy the Gate, all marketing men round the world think the same way, and this practice (of making customers addicted to their products)is actually taught in some way or the other in marketing classes at business schools throughout the world. So while you are at blasting at Billy, take a look at business practices of FMCG companies in the brick and mortar world. The difference is that in the FMCG world, no single company has created [or probably has been allowed to create] the kind of monopoly that Microsoft has. I can understand Procter Gamble giving away free toothpaste to kids to get them addicted, but the fact is that people have a choice, which PG can't control. Here's how PG would be anti-competitive: - Started threatening toothbrush manufacturers that they would not have access to early releases of the next version of their toothpaste and their brushes might not be compatible, forcing other manufacturers to make brushes which are not compatible with anything but PGs toothpastes. This might sound a bit exaggerated, but I think the point comes through. - Started threating it's distribution chain that they better stock just their toothpaste or else... - Spreads FUD about how other toothpastes are high maintenance, require exceptional technical skills to use and can lead to broken teeth if not used properly, thus leading to a higher TCO. There is fine line between claiming that your product is better and scaring people about other products. The thing about anti-competitiveness is that, well, it's anti-competitive. It's when you stop improving your products/services in order to compete and start using any/all other pressure tactics to ensure a market position. Note: I have nothing against PG. -- Regards, Varun Varma --- Mindframe Software Services Pvt. Ltd. http://www.mindsw.com --- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [x-posted]Re: [FSF-WG] Bill Gates quote
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/12/2004 05:08 PM, Varun Varma wrote: | - Started threatening Ok i am being a flamebait for this email, but what the heck ... As much as i hate MS for my own reasons, i have to say they are what every business would dream of being. Yes they do have unusual and sometimes illegal practices but they other guys cave in largely because they want to be associated with MS , for no other reason but profit themselves. They do have choices but they choose the easy way of aligning with MS so they continue to make money. The fact that MS has the largest share is not because they made people use their products at gunpoint but at one time their OS was indeed a good product and people just got into using that product. The fact that the OS turned into something else later and the large user base is being exploited by MS now, is a different story. - - Ankur. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAeoR1bR7mO5apBYARAp6aAKDAzTU+UirOErNNg6h5z8R/5jpUWACeIMmB BxN9EkYve33R7dFR8zq89nQ= =m6AO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Legaltorrents!
http://www.legaltorrents.com/ Summary: This is a collection of legally downloadable, freely distributable files, both net.label electronic MP3s and other media items, - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya sandip (at) puroga.com Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. Work: http://www.puroga.comHome: http://www.sandipb.net GPG: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Procmail issue
Hi, Is there some special term used for embedded email messages (mails as attachement). How can I use procmail to forward messages in above format. I have already configured procmail to forward received messages in their original format. Regards Kapil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
