Re: [ilugd] vivekagrawal83 wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-01-10 Thread Linux Lingam
On Jan 10, 2008 12:08 PM, Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Jan 9, 2008 2:07 PM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  can anyone set up (fund?) a group sms subscriber service as well,
  which sends one sms tip a day or something?
 I could try sending SMS tips from say an RSS feed if there is some
 interest. But it would be difficult to keep the sending SMS part free
 for long.
 

thanks puneet for volunteering.
we could perhaps set up various kinds of content around sms:

a) tip of the day.
b) ilug-d event /meeting reminder.
c) placeholder
i have no idea of finance. perhaps the service may only be available
to members of ilugd who've paid an annual membership fee,a nd this
could be deducted from that (365 + 12 smses total = 377 smses. okay
let's assume 400. at what price each? )

am just thinking way out loud, in the hope something tangible comes
from this. please join the discussion, everyone.

opt-in method.
privacy issues.
opt-out methods.
sponsored service.
???

regards
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Re: [ilugd] [COMMERCIAL] MySQL session at OSIW; let's design the programme together

2008-01-10 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 10-Jan-08, at 10:32 AM, Raj Shekhar wrote:

 If you are talking about ACID compliance, innodb 
 falcon table engines are ACID complaint.

 an the rest of it is not?

 Quite a few of the mysql engines are not ACID - MyISAM being most
 notable of them.  Unluckily, myisam comes as the default table engine
 with almost all mysql distributions that I have seen. Since mysql
 supports table engines as plugins, there are some commercial as  
 well as
 free ACID compliant table engines other than innodb and falcon.

non troll: how close to ansi compliance is mysql? Can one write an  
ansi compliant sql and run it on mysql? Next, an acid compliant ansi  
compliant sql on mysql? If not, why does mysql not follow standards -  
which why the so called troll bait was floated.


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Re: [ilugd] Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list

2008-01-10 Thread Sandip Bhattacharya
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
 But is it only me here who thinks I cant tolerate when some people  from
 ^
I must have beeen dozing when I wrote that. That should have been ...I
CAN tolerate  Changes the whole meaning of what I was trying to
write. :(

- Sandip


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Re: [ilugd] Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list

2008-01-10 Thread Hakuna Matata
my two cents with you. :)

we can help decently...or can ignore as well without any issue



On Jan 10, 2008 12:29 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 rajnish kumar wrote:
  I think when you have register your self in ilugd you also has the
  info about how unsubscribe form mailing list but still you have posted
  this mails in ilug is any other reason you want to show in ilugd or
  you want to say something us.

 I understand where you are coming from. I understand the irritation that
 Raj mentioned people would have when they get irrelevant emails.

 But is it only me here who thinks I cant tolerate when some people  from
 time to time doesn't match up to the high standards of mailing list
 behavior expected by this list? We are an user support group targeting
 the common man/woman after all.

 Also, take a look at a mailman listinfo page -
 http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd

 Can you at a first glance make out the unsubscribing path? Think about
 people who are not familiar with mailing lists in the first place.


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Re: [ilugd] postfix with courier-imap or dovecot

2008-01-10 Thread Sumit Kumar
I am also looking for about same if some one answered to this will be also
beneficial to me.
cheers
sumit

On Jan 10, 2008 11:28 AM, rajnish kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have decided to  configured postfix with dovecot or courier-imap, but a
 little
 confusion about both imap servers I've heard of both and I already tested
 and
 installed both, but I'm not sure which one is better, since both just
 seem to work
 and I can't see a difference, except from the point how it's set up
 and configured. Where
 are the drawbacks of each one, where are the benefits? . As i read
 about courier-imap
 has limitations in I/O and NETWORK might be some one has tested. I'm not
 that
 into detail of both projects, may be you can explain a bit.
 Thanks in advance for every answer!

 with regds
 rajnish gupta

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Re: [ilugd] niyam.blip.tv

2008-01-10 Thread Ashish Shukla
On 1/10/08, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snipped]

 08. blip.tv automatically transcodes ogg theora to flv, and also
 allows me to offer the option of the original source ogg theora to
 visitors. cool!

Cool.



 09. blip.tv allows choices of creative commons licenses to be applied
 to the video.

Cool.

 10. automatically links it to my flickr account, and once i start a
 blog, to it as well. also allows other rather interesting features,
 such as link to myspace, etc.

 11. optionally, also adds to archive.org if i have an account there.

Archive.org is real cool project, but they don't do P2P :( . So, how
about hosting videos also via P2P (e.g. Bittorrent using
ThePirateBay.org trackers), great if you've some 24x7 seeder. IGNORE
this, if you don't have :).


 12. rss feeds to miro, even itunes, available.

 13. direct upload from mobile phones to blip.tv possible.

 14. option to allow your videos to be suitable for mobile viewers as
 well. all the way till HDTV.  w o w !
 in fact, blip.tv encourages you to publish at broadcast quality while
 using high-compression.

 15. lots more to this stuff. am specifically excited and fascinated by
 the paradigms and workflows available under a 100% foss value-system
 and while using gnulinux.

 suddenly, video is just becoming the coolest thing to do under foss.

Yes, it is. Especially being able to do encoding/decoding of videos
and some simple transformations at command-line :)

 discovered kino outputs flash format files directly too. thse are
 *.flv, and also *.swf with some xhtml wrappers.


 interestingly, blip.tv asked for a java runtime edition (JRE) to be
 installed under firefox for me to view the video.
 was hesitant to do this due to the problems i faced last month with my
 system.
 however, braved it and installed the JRE. fortunately, everything
 worked flawlessly.

Hmm... it require Java, cool. Waiting for IcedTea to do some release,
so I can also enjoy blip.tv in web browser :)


 next step, take the videos that prof andrew handed me of freed.in sep
 2007 and pull out some segments.
 those interested to pitch in, we could meet next week and collaborate
 on doing this.

Instead of pulling out some segments, how about making available
complete videos of Freed.in available online on WWW, or at least
available inside JNU network, hmm...? So, how about running
ffmpeg2theora on those DVs. I've transcoded couple of AVI MPEG2/MP3
videos (of 1hr-3hr. duration) to Ogg Theora/Vorbis on my desktop,
sometimes nightly jobs.

The output is satisfactory, and in most of the cases 50%-66% reduction
in size, and sometimes 5%-10% reduction in size. e.g.
ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/stuff/7Habits20.avi (506 MiB/DivX
MPEG-4/MP3) got reduced to (200 MiB/Theora/Vorbis).

The time ffmpeg took to re-encode videos is playback time (+/- 20%) on
my Intel Pentium 4 630 (EM64T/3GHz), 2 GB RAM (400MHz/Dual Channel)
with sometimes X running with KDE/GNOME or sometimes nightly. I've no
experience of DVs, but if DVs are available in RAW format (which I
think is uncompressed), then its less time consuming to encode them,
hmm...? So transcoding of those DVs can be scheduled nightly on some
boxes at JNU.

Anyways, anyone aware of distributed audio/video  transcoding
application, so that one can optimize performance of transocing in a
GRID environment, hmm...?

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[ilugd] Fwd: [Ilug-cal-discuss] [OT] Fwd: [Gnu-arch-users] dear colleagues

2008-01-10 Thread Pradeepto Bhattacharya
-- Forwarded message --
From: Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Jan 10, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: [Ilug-cal-discuss] [OT] Fwd: [Gnu-arch-users] dear colleagues
To: ILUG-Cal's principal mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]


One of the GNU Arch authors have lost his car.

Regards,
Debarshi

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Date: 10 Jan 2008 16:53
Subject: [Gnu-arch-users] dear colleagues
To: gnu-arch-users [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Well, perfect end to a fucked up decade..

Really exciting night!   Someone came pounding on my door to call me
outside.   Turns out, someone has totaled my car while it was parked on
the street for the night.

Why is this exciting?   Because I can't walk much at the moment and that
car was vital to day to day survival.   I wonder how I'll manage to get
groceries tomorrow.

Wait, it gets better.

Being poor, I'm fully paid up and current on lowest available rate
insurance.   So, I called the claims number tonight and, an experience
familiar from the open source world, the number is disconnected.

Watch us drown.

If anyone would like to help either please do so or pass this message
along to someone sensitive who can.

Time is of the essence, if anyone happens to give a damn.


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Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam

2008-01-10 Thread Anand Shankar
On Jan 10, 2008 10:08 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bought a webcam yesterday, thought I'd share the experience...
 Unfortunately the webcams
 that seem to work well with Linux (at least according to Google) seem
 to be pretty high priced -- Rs 4000+.

Thats right  - This has been putting me off for buying a webcam for
years!! But these devices are supporting USB Video Class, [UVC] which
supposedly do not bring up issues like this

 BTW, note that all webcams reporting USB ID 0ac8:303b aren't the same.
 Some will work, some may not, so be sure to test your cam before you
 buy for use with Linux.

Who will let u test before buy? Its quite shocking all webcams
reporting USB ID 0ac8:303b aren't the same.
Some will work, some may not I believed it the other way and still
can't understand why?

Another thing to investigate: I was thinking of using a SONY Handycam
as a webcam, which says so prominently in their brochure that it
supports USB Video Streaming - actually does not do, just shows up as
USB Storage device. I wonder if any of their proprietary drivers does
some magic, but I certainly expect that if these Handycams are UVC
compliant they can be used as Webcams. Could'nt confirm this - as I
do'nt have access to a SONY Handycam. Can some one confirm this??

The test for finding a device is UVC supported or not is as under:

lsusb -d {Device_Id eg 046d:08cb} -v | grep 14 Video

If your device is a UVC device, you should see a number of lines that
look like this:

bFunctionClass 14 Video
bInterfaceClass14 Video
bInterfaceClass14 Video
bInterfaceClass14 Video

In this case the Linux UVC driver should recognize your camera when
you plug it in.

If there are no such lines, your device is not a UVC device.

Unfortunately my OLYMPUS digital camera which can capture video and
has a USB port, does'nt display any of these lines. I believe one has
to have this if he needs to do a USB Video Streaming.

I want to be corrected if I am wrong, else I might be forced to buy
the costlier webcam.

anand

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Re: [ilugd] niyam.blip.tv

2008-01-10 Thread Linux Lingam
hey ashish,

thanks for responding, my comments inline:


On Jan 10, 2008 4:38 PM, Ashish Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 1/10/08, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [snipped]

  08. blip.tv automatically transcodes ogg theora to flv, and also
  allows me to offer the option of the original source ogg theora to
  visitors. cool!

 Cool.

i just tried this.

here is the link to the footage:
http://blip.tv/file/589104/

and i chose from the drop-down play web-version of ogg theora.
horridly enough, it asked me to download the JRE. again.
i have already downloaded and installed it.

could someone else please try if this is consistent?


  11. optionally, also adds to archive.org if i have an account there.

 Archive.org is real cool project, but they don't do P2P :( . So, how
 about hosting videos also via P2P (e.g. Bittorrent using
 ThePirateBay.org trackers), great if you've some 24x7 seeder. IGNORE
 this, if you don't have :).

well others could respond on the list.


 
  12. rss feeds to miro, even itunes, available.
 
  13. direct upload from mobile phones to blip.tv possible.
 
  14. option to allow your videos to be suitable for mobile viewers as
  well. all the way till HDTV.  w o w !
  in fact, blip.tv encourages you to publish at broadcast quality while
  using high-compression.

funny how blip tv states the future is in HDTV over broadband.
am personally quite impressed with divxpro, but

 
  suddenly, video is just becoming the coolest thing to do under foss.

 Yes, it is. Especially being able to do encoding/decoding of videos
 and some simple transformations at command-line :)

hmmm.. not all the time.


  discovered kino outputs flash format files directly too. thse are
  *.flv, and also *.swf with some xhtml wrappers.
 
 

 
  next step, take the videos that prof andrew handed me of freed.in sep
  2007 and pull out some segments.
  those interested to pitch in, we could meet next week and collaborate
  on doing this.

 Instead of pulling out some segments, how about making available
 complete videos of Freed.in available online on WWW, or at least
 available inside JNU network, hmm...?

there's a reason raw footage needs to be edited down. it's to cut out
the boredom of watching 8 hours that has probably 4 hours of stuff
worth watching.

besides, who's going to watch one huge cunk of say a 90 min or 2 hour video?

so whichever way the cookie crumbles, you need to make short segments,
perhaps of 15 minutes each, so people can skip through to what they
wish to watch.

 So, how about running
 ffmpeg2theora on those DVs. I've transcoded couple of AVI MPEG2/MP3
 videos (of 1hr-3hr. duration) to Ogg Theora/Vorbis on my desktop,
 sometimes nightly jobs.

great to hear this.

 The output is satisfactory, and in most of the cases 50%-66% reduction
 in size, and sometimes 5%-10% reduction in size. e.g.
 ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/stuff/7Habits20.avi (506 MiB/DivX
 MPEG-4/MP3) got reduced to (200 MiB/Theora/Vorbis).

no point running 720x520 or whatever. i recommend 640x480 at the
moment, and ogg theora pulled down 540mb into 23 mb. that is
impressive compression.

 The time ffmpeg took to re-encode videos is playback time (+/- 20%) on
 my Intel Pentium 4 630 (EM64T/3GHz), 2 GB RAM (400MHz/Dual Channel)
 with sometimes X running with KDE/GNOME or sometimes nightly. I've no
 experience of DVs, but if DVs are available in RAW format (which I
 think is uncompressed), then its less time consuming to encode them,
 hmm...? So transcoding of those DVs can be scheduled nightly on some
 boxes at JNU.


yes, great idea.
once i come back, ashish, let's meet, and get started on this exciting project.


 Anyways, anyone aware of distributed audio/video  transcoding
 application, so that one can optimize performance of transocing in a
 GRID environment, hmm...?

heheheee,
render farms. transcode farms.
karanbir may have something to share here.

 Thanks
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regards
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Re: [ilugd] Possible Package

2008-01-10 Thread Mani A
On Jan 10, 2008 5:17 AM, Mani A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There is this interesting OSS SAGE
 (http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/)... and a recent release.

 Users need to learn Python to use it as opposed to a Scheme/Lisp like
 language. Mathematical expression is closer to a functional
 programming like Scheme/Lisp and lots of people will benefit if a
 version of SAGE that uses R or a LISP instead of python. It should

... oops sorry, that should be a 'variant/fork of' and not a 'version of'.

Best

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Re: [ilugd] postfix with courier-imap or dovecot

2008-01-10 Thread Raj Shekhar
in infinite wisdom rajnish kumar spoke thus  On 01/10/2008 11:28 AM:
 I have decided to  configured postfix with dovecot or courier-imap, but a 
 little
 confusion about both imap servers I've heard of both and I already tested and
 installed both, but I'm not sure which one is better, since both just
 seem to work
 and I can't see a difference, except from the point how it's set up
 and configured. 

I would say in the end everything comes down to which software YOU have 
expertise in.  Some parameters that might help you decide (in order of 
priority)

  - number of users you want to support
  - security issues reported in your choice for the past one year and 
the turn around time of the devs
  - documentation
  - plugin support and plugins meeting your reqs are available or not

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Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam

2008-01-10 Thread Raj Mathur
On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Anand Shankar wrote:
 On Jan 10, 2008 10:08 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [snip]
  BTW, note that all webcams reporting USB ID 0ac8:303b aren't the
  same. Some will work, some may not, so be sure to test your cam
  before you buy for use with Linux.

 Who will let u test before buy? Its quite shocking all webcams
 reporting USB ID 0ac8:303b aren't the same.
 Some will work, some may not I believed it the other way and still
 can't understand why?

Hmm, I may have been wrong there.  The other camera (which I borrowed 
from Prof Andrew Lynn and which doesn't work) shows USB ID 0ac8:305b, 
which confused me.  My bad.

 Another thing to investigate: I was thinking of using a SONY Handycam
 as a webcam, which says so prominently in their brochure that it
 supports USB Video Streaming - actually does not do, just shows up as
 USB Storage device. I wonder if any of their proprietary drivers does
 some magic, but I certainly expect that if these Handycams are UVC
 compliant they can be used as Webcams. Could'nt confirm this - as I
 do'nt have access to a SONY Handycam. Can some one confirm this??

 The test for finding a device is UVC supported or not is as under:

 lsusb -d {Device_Id eg 046d:08cb} -v | grep 14 Video

 If your device is a UVC device, you should see a number of lines that
 look like this:

 bFunctionClass 14 Video
 bInterfaceClass14 Video
 bInterfaceClass14 Video
 bInterfaceClass14 Video

 In this case the Linux UVC driver should recognize your camera when
 you plug it in.

 If there are no such lines, your device is not a UVC device.

That's true, but it's only part of the story.  There any number of 
non-UVC webcams that work under Linux.  These non-UVC webcams 
(including mine) will not pass the test that you have given above, but 
will still work fine.  The UVC requirement, to the best of my 
knowledge, is only required if you insist on using the Linux UVC 
drivers; using another driver is as good in most cases.

 Unfortunately my OLYMPUS digital camera which can capture video and
 has a USB port, does'nt display any of these lines. I believe one has
 to have this if he needs to do a USB Video Streaming.

See above: you don't NEED a UVC device, just the Linux drivers for your 
camera.  Judicious Googling would help, though the first-cut search I 
did seems to indicate that you won't be able to use your digicam as a 
webcam under Linux.  Let us know if that changes.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] postfix with courier-imap or dovecot

2008-01-10 Thread Sumit Kumar
hi raj
 first of all thanks for your reply, suppose i have 3 domains
with 5000 user's with openldap then which imap server's should i go. as i
heard about curier has some limitations regarding I/O and Network is that
true.

cheers
sumit

On Jan 11, 2008 10:11 AM, Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 in infinite wisdom rajnish kumar spoke thus  On 01/10/2008 11:28 AM:
  I have decided to  configured postfix with dovecot or courier-imap, but
 a little
  confusion about both imap servers I've heard of both and I already
 tested and
  installed both, but I'm not sure which one is better, since both just
  seem to work
  and I can't see a difference, except from the point how it's set up
  and configured.

 I would say in the end everything comes down to which software YOU have
 expertise in.  Some parameters that might help you decide (in order of
 priority)

  - number of users you want to support
  - security issues reported in your choice for the past one year and
 the turn around time of the devs
  - documentation
  - plugin support and plugins meeting your reqs are available or not

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Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam

2008-01-10 Thread Gopal Murarka
WHICH  MAKE   IS  THIS  CAMERA  PL.  TELL ME   AND  IF  POSSIBLE  SHOP
NAME  ALSO .
REGARDS
GOPAL

On Jan 10, 2008 11:01 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thursday 10 Jan 2008, Vikas Rawal wrote:
   Cost:   Rs 650
 
  Just for the record, last week I bought it from Nehru Place for
  Rs. 475.

 OK, if I'd bought it from anyone except Amit I'd be screaming at him
 now.  However I haven't had to spend a single paisa maintaining my
 system for the past 3 years thanks to him, so I don't grudge him the
 extra cash :)

  It works pretty much straight out of the box. Works fine with
  skype. With Ekiga, there was some lag in the video but I have not
  tested it much.
 
  In fact the driver CD provided with the camera has a penguin printed
  on it and mentioned that linux is supported. I did not see what is
  inside that CD because the camera seemed to work fine without it.

 Hmm, I haven't even looked at the CD yet :)  No Skype here, will test
 out Ekiga when someone offers a video chat.

 Regards,

 -- Raju
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Re: [ilugd] postfix with courier-imap or dovecot

2008-01-10 Thread Raj Shekhar
in infinite wisdom Sumit Kumar spoke thus  On 01/11/2008 10:41 AM:

  first of all thanks for your reply, suppose i have 3 domains
 with 5000 user's with openldap then which imap server's should i go. as i
 heard about curier has some limitations regarding I/O and Network is that
 true.

I have not worked with that many number of imap users.  So, I cannot 
comment.


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Re: [ilugd] postfix with courier-imap or dovecot

2008-01-10 Thread Sumit Kumar
On Jan 11, 2008 12:50 PM, Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 in infinite wisdom Sumit Kumar spoke thus  On 01/11/2008 10:41 AM:

   first of all thanks for your reply, suppose i have 3
 domains
  with 5000 user's with openldap then which imap server's should i go. as
 i
  heard about curier has some limitations regarding I/O and Network is
 that
  true.

 I have not worked with that many number of imap users.  So, I cannot
 comment.


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have any one experiance like such huge user's in imap.

cheers
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