[ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
Hi, I was just wondering if this budget is FOSS friendly indirectly. Excise duty on packaged softwares is raised to 12%. Now, considering most of the FOSS deployment in India is provided as a service either by individual consultants or companies, which invites a service tax of 12.5%. Any ideas? -N -- Peace, Love and Compile the kernel. http://www.nishants.net Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
On 29-Feb-08, at 2:59 PM, Nishant Sharma wrote: Now, considering most of the FOSS deployment in India is provided as a service either by individual consultants or companies, which invites a service tax of 12.5%. i hope that a blueprint for a massive agitation on this point is one of the results of the upto-now-ultra-secret-freed-conclave -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
Very interesting insight...yes...it does seem that this budget has put packaged software almost at par with customised software development (services) w.r.t. taxes. I was a bit unsure if it would affect open source brands like Red Hat and Novell, since they sold service license with seemingly packaged software, but Amit Boraskar (at Red Hat) has clarified that Red Hat typically sells support services and hence pays service tax only. I am trying to talk to other OSS players (and some from the proprietary world too) to try and further update on this issue. Rahul, LFY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nishant Sharma Sent: 29 February 2008 15:00 To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Subject: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008? Hi, I was just wondering if this budget is FOSS friendly indirectly. Excise duty on packaged softwares is raised to 12%. Now, considering most of the FOSS deployment in India is provided as a service either by individual consultants or companies, which invites a service tax of 12.5%. Any ideas? -N -- Peace, Love and Compile the kernel. http://www.nishants.net Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
On 29-Feb-08, at 3:47 PM, Rahul Chopra wrote: support services and hence pays service tax only. only === 12.5% -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kenneth Gonsalves Sent: 29 February 2008 15:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008? On 29-Feb-08, at 3:47 PM, Rahul Chopra wrote: support services and hence pays service tax only. only === 12.5% strictly speaking the service tax would be 12.36% (12.24% + educationcal cess)...hope this helps :-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
dear all, On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Nishant Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was just wondering if this budget is FOSS friendly indirectly. Excise duty on packaged softwares is raised to 12%. Now, considering most of the FOSS deployment in India is provided as a service either by individual consultants or companies, which invites a service tax of 12.5%. Any ideas? taxing packaged software does not necessarily mean the budget is FOSS friendly. i would call the budget foss-friendly ONLY IF this tax, or some part of this tax, is used by the government to fund, support, nurture, adopt, and further FOSS development and deployment in the country and globally. is that really happening? that's the question rahul's journalists should be asking the PR guys at the two ministries, as well as experts. (FOSS-cess?) if the answer is no, then the question is to wonder, why not. another point: a packaged software may attract 12% excise, but how does that level the ground with foss? what we're assuming here is that the retailprice = foss-service-or-equivalent-price. when is the last time the 'retail' of winxp = debian / fedora or whatever. in fact even comparing the two is incorrect as winxp is sans an office suite, while a distro will contain hundreds or even thousands of applications as well. so add the equivalent retail price of a cd-burner software, graphics-editing package, development tools, etc. thirdly, how would this impact bundled software? i mean, would a mac cost more since it ships with an OS that also has its own retail price? xbox? playstation? regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Linux Lingam wrote: | taxing packaged software does not necessarily mean the budget is FOSS | friendly. i would call the budget foss-friendly ONLY IF this tax, or | some part of this tax, is used by the government to fund, support, | nurture, adopt, and further FOSS development and deployment in the | country and globally. Venkatesh pointed out this URL to me the other day: http://planningcommission.nic.in/aboutus/committee/wrkgrp11/wg11_IT.pdf [~ 3 MB] The intent is fairly well defined, the will to action needs to be measured - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHx+1dXQZpNTcrCzMRAjYGAJsHERe+/egWEu2i68wCNtd7QLLvYQCgsY7Z Sict6WYNjhZZG4Z7jM5DkFs= =N5HX -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [X-POST] Microsoft lobbying the Government through ``friendly'' NGOs
My my, hey hey, OOXML is here to stay (with apologies to Neil Young) And if you don't believe that then your friendly neighbourhood NGO is only to willing to try to convince your Government on behalf of one of its benefactors, MS. Now I'm beginning to think that $1.4B was too little :) http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/OpenStandards/MsNgoLobby Also made it to Groklaw somehow. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
Venkatesh pointed out this URL to me the other day: http://planningcommission.nic.in/aboutus/committee/wrkgrp11/wg11_IT.pdf [~ 3 MB] The intent is fairly well defined, the will to action needs to be measured plain htm summary somewhere? niyam - niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [X-POST] Microsoft lobbying the Government through ``friendly'' NGOs
And if you don't believe that then your friendly neighbourhood NGO is only to willing to try to convince your Government on behalf of one of its benefactors, MS. Now I'm beginning to think that $1.4B was too little :) http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/OpenStandards/MsNgoLobby Also made it to Groklaw somehow. Regards, -- Raju wow! raj, that's a significant development, and hope not part of sustainable development now what? ngo versus ngo? rich but corrupt ngos versus poor but ethical ngos. sigh! never ever under estimate microsoft. regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Summer Training in FOSS
Hi everyone I am a student pursuing my B.Tech from MNIT, Jaipur. I am in second year in Computer Science stream. I attended FREED.IN 2008 in JNU, Delhi and now i am very much interested in FOSS community and want to learn and contribute to FOSS. Can anyone please tell me which institutes offer summer training or internships in FOSS? Or where should i contact for it? Thanks.. Regards Yashwant Kumar Golecha IInd year, Computer Science, MNIT Jaipur. Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Linux Lingam wrote: | plain htm summary somewhere? The fine gentleman who had passed the PDF link had also expressed the intent to summarize it on his very fine blog ;) ie you-know-whom-to-poke - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHyAwmXQZpNTcrCzMRAtP5AJ923elvRccFwhpFRgYK7cMZyLGJ/gCgoBFY abF1oj9eWiNYvt51h7hxmt4= =M/UI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Summer Training in FOSS
On 29/02/2008, YASHWANT GOLECHA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone I am a student pursuing my B.Tech from MNIT, Jaipur. I am in second year in Computer Science stream. I attended FREED.IN 2008 in JNU, Delhi and now i am very much interested in FOSS community and want to learn and contribute to FOSS. Can anyone please tell me which institutes offer summer training or internships in FOSS? Or where should i contact for it? it is great thing that you interested in foss we are welcom to you Thanks.. Regards Yashwant Kumar Golecha IInd year, Computer Science, MNIT Jaipur. Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Norat Saraswat Binyas information technologies pvt .Ltd Pune Mobile:- 09860697486 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Summer Training in FOSS
Hi all, I am an undergrad, pursuing B.Tech in Computer Science and Engineering from JIIT, Noida. I am in 3rd year, 6th semester. As I would be doing Summer Training this year, I would also like to know if there are opportunities in FOSS community. I had attended, Freed.IN http://freed.in 2007 in JNU [Sep 28-29]. Also, I am a contributor to the NetBeans community for the last 3 months. Thank you Yashwant, for bringing up this issue. Regards, -- Varun Nischal NetBeans Community Significant Contributor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Summer Training in FOSS
On 29-Feb-08, at 6:54 PM, YASHWANT GOLECHA wrote: Can anyone please tell me which institutes offer summer training or internships in FOSS? Or where should i contact for it? nrc-foss - ask prof Gaur -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Internship opportunities in FOSS
Hello Everyone, I'm a B.Tech Computer Science student from JIIT University Noida. I wish to know about the various opportunities available for internships in the FOSS community during the month June-July 2008. I'm a great follower of FOSS Events and Developments and have good experience in Linux and Web Development. Looking forward to responses from all the people. -- Prakhar Agarwal 3rd Year B.Tech, IT JIIT,Noida ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Internship opportunities in FOSS
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Prakhar Agarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm a B.Tech Computer Science student from JIIT University Noida. I wish to know about the various opportunities available for internships in the FOSS community during the month June-July 2008. I'm a great follower of FOSS Events and Developments and have good experience in Linux and Web Development. Looking forward to responses from all the people. Apply for Google's Summer of Code... -- Kristian Erik Hermansen -- It has been just so in all my inventions. The first step is an intuition--and comes with a burst, then difficulties arise. This thing gives out and then that--'Bugs'--as such little faults and difficulties are called--show themselves and months of anxious watching, study and labor are requisite before commercial success--or failure--is certainly reached -- Thomas Edison in a letter to Theodore Puskas on November 18, 1878 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] goodbye netscape
dear all, from today, 1 march 2008, netscape will no longer be officially supported. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7270583.stm the above story does mention an obscure browser called IE that ended up dominating the market. I wonder why. in case you don't wish for odf to go that way, read raj's entry on the twiki, url posted earlier, or read venky's blog on it, and see what you can do. goodbye netscape, you were my first browser and for several years until the birth of mozilla firefox. ~ niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Internship opportunities in FOSS
On 01-Mar-08, at 3:32 AM, Prakhar Agarwal wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm a B.Tech Computer Science student from JIIT University Noida. I wish to know about the various opportunities available for internships in the FOSS community during the month June-July 2008. I'm a great follower of FOSS Events and Developments and have good experience in Linux and Web Development. Looking forward to responses from all the people. nrc-foss offers internships - please contact srinivasan at au-kbc dot org -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] goodbye netscape
On 01-Mar-08, at 5:38 AM, Linux Lingam wrote: goodbye netscape, you were my first browser and for several years until the birth of mozilla firefox. where were you in the days of lynx? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
