[ilugd] [X-post]: Our Next FreeIndian: Kushal Das
Lists, Our current interview features a guy who is seriously passionate about Free and Open Source software and contributes to the Fedora Project, apart from OpenPCD and his own project of a client for blogging named Chotha. Imagine, being called a Geek in GNU/Linux because you could play .mp3 files and mount fat partitions. Don't believe it? Read on to more about Kushal Das, Fedora India Ambassador. Click on the link below to know more http://www.kde.in/index.php/Kushal_Das -- http://www.gnu.org.in http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
in infinite wisdom Anoop John spoke thus On 04/11/2008 10:33 AM: I had a request recently from a firm in Trivandrum to try to set up their software (Altair Hyperworks) on RHEL 3. Centos is the closest relative to rhel, not fedora. I suggest using centos3 and installing the app on it. -- raj shekhar facts: http://rajshekhar.net | opinions: http://rajshekhar.net/blog Yoda of Borg are we: Futile is resistance. Assimilate you, we will 'Borg? Sounds Swedish.' - Lily, Star Trek First Contact ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Bangalore, 15th April: Candle light vigil for Document Freedom
Dear Friends, Recently International Standardisation Organisation (ISO) is approved Microsoft's broken standard OOXML( with 1000s of Technical Flaws) also as a Document standard. India's Vote was No to this standard that creates vendor lock-in and prevents interoperability. Micro$oft played a lot of nasty games to get the approval from member countries. In this context we are Conducting a Candle Light Vigil for Document Freedom Demanding bureau of indian standard (BIS) to appeal ISO's Decision of approving the banana standard OOXML Venue : In Front of Townhall, Corporation Circle , Bangalore Date : 15th April 6.00pm The programme is planned as a starting point for various events awareness campaigns on Document freedom . Please use following wiki page for organising the programme http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Campaign_for_Document_Freedom Also add your name on campaigners section Contact : Praveen A pravi.a at gmail.com +91 9986348565 Anivar Aravind anivar at movingrepublic dot org +91 9449009908/ +91 080 23435606 Why Document Freedom? We live in an age in which paper documents increasingly get replaced by electronic records. Document freedom is fundamental for your documents to outlive the application you are currently using and allows you to choose and change applications freely. Previous proprietary document formats have become difficult or impossible to read within little more than a decade. There is no reason to believe this trend will not continue if allowed so to do. Without open standards for our documents we are likely to inflict a 'digital dark-age' on our descendants when they discover that they are unable to read any of the sources for their history, such as Government records, acts of Parliament, property title deeds, scientific research papers, and family histories. They will not forgive us if we fail to act to protect them now, but instead allow another generation of poorly specified proprietary standards to become widely adopted. Document Freedom and Democracy Electronic records kept today include records of your government, such as tax and legal records or minutes of parliamentary proceedings. Making sure that such records remain in the control of the government is essential for a functioning democracy. The same is true for all interactions between citizens and their government, which should never depend on monopolies or on the proprietary product of a single company. How to achieve Document Freedom? Make a stand by saving your documents in ODF today. If your application does not support ODF, get one of the ODF supported applications like OpenOffice.org, Staroffice, NeoOffice, KOffice, AbiWord, Google Docs, IBM Lotus Symphony etc We request all users to 1. not send attachments in proprietary formats like .doc, .xls, .ppt 2. not pollute their friends computers and the internet with unethically encoded documents. 3. inform the users that they do not have right to decode the documents they themselves have written, if they use proprietary software 4. distribute open office cds, containing apps with source code for windows. 5. distribute live cds. Regards Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in infinite wisdom Anoop John spoke thus On 04/11/2008 10:33 AM: I had a request recently from a firm in Trivandrum to try to set up their software (Altair Hyperworks) on RHEL 3. Centos is the closest relative to rhel, not fedora. I suggest using centos3 and installing the app on it. I guess RHEL 3 is kernel 2.4.X whereas RHEL 4 is 2.6.X. Don't know how a binary from 2.4 will run just like that on 2.6; if you have source you can definitely port it to 2.6. So in this case Centos 3 would be the best alternative, as suggested by Raj (Shekhar). And coming back to your original question: So the question is, if a software (binary) works on a given distro, would it work on other distros too? If there are dependancies will we be able to figure them out without having access to the source? ldd helps you in finding the shared library dependencies but what happens to the dependency on some other files whose location varies from ditro to distro? This is the question just came to my mind and not sure whether there are some configuration files (or other files) whose location differ from distro to distro and are used by some applications. So, anybody, any pointers ? Vikas ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
Dear Vikas, On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Vikas Upadhyay wrote: Centos is the closest relative to rhel, not fedora. I suggest using centos3 and installing the app on it. I guess RHEL 3 is kernel 2.4.X whereas RHEL 4 is 2.6.X. Don't know how a binary from 2.4 will run just like that on 2.6; if you have source you can definitely port it to 2.6. So in this case Centos 3 would be the best alternative, as suggested by Raj (Shekhar). What the kernel version has to do with running a program? It is the libraries that matter while running any binary. Some posters here has already asked the OP to run ldd and find the library dependencies. And coming back to your original question: So the question is, if a software (binary) works on a given distro, would it work on other distros too? If there are dependancies will we be able to figure them out without having access to the source? ldd helps you in finding the shared library dependencies but what happens to the dependency on some other files whose location varies from ditro to distro? This is the question just came to my mind and not sure whether there are some configuration files (or other files) whose location differ from distro to distro and are used by some applications. So, anybody, any pointers ? If you have a distro and your program which is LSB compliant you will not see much problems. Vikas HTH With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 +91-92113-61617 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
Anoop John wrote: I had a request recently from a firm in Trivandrum to try to set up their software (Altair Hyperworks) on RHEL 3. I took fedora, assuming that if it worked on RHEL it would on fedora too, and with some minor tweaks in the installation script I was able to set it up on Fedora 8. https://www.redhat.com/apps/isv_catalog/AppProfile.html?application_id=4345 is does appear to be listed for RHEL4 as well - did you get the RHEL3 one working on Fedora 8 ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
Dinesh Shah wrote: What the kernel version has to do with running a program? It is the libraries that matter while running any binary. Some posters here has already asked the OP to run ldd and find the library dependencies. there are a few applications which do require specific kernel versions. admittedly these are few, but these are from large ISVs as well. If you have a distro and your program which is LSB compliant you will not see much problems. the configuration files may or may not be a problem, but there have been cases of applications not just working across RHEL3.x and RHEL4.x because of features included in the later version. a very rudimentary example could be applications assuming lower resistance from SELinux in RHEL5.x compared to RHEL4.x and failing in execution. at the end of the day, the runnability of the application is something that is a function of the ISV development process which in turn also influences the OS development -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Bangalore, 15th April: Candle light vigil for Document Freedom
[snip] In this context we are Conducting a Candle Light Vigil for Document Freedom Demanding bureau of indian standard (BIS) to appeal ISO's Decision of approving the banana standard OOXML Venue : In Front of Townhall, Corporation Circle , Bangalore Date : 15th April 6.00pm The programme is planned as a starting point for various events awareness campaigns on Document freedom . Please use following wiki page for organising the programme http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Campaign_for_Document_Freedom [snip] wish our community in delhi was this active. any takers at RKGIT? niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
Harish Pillay wrote: If you have a distro and your program which is LSB compliant you will not see much problems. Yes, that is what LSB has helped achieve. not completely though. the LSB Application Testing suite checks for symbol usage across what can be called the highest common factor ie hugely generic across distributions. there are still distribution specific symbols (among other things) that applications can and do use and hence require rebuilds across distributions -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Bangalore, 15th April: Candle light vigil for Document Freedom
On 14/04/2008, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] In this context we are Conducting a Candle Light Vigil for Document Freedom Demanding bureau of indian standard (BIS) to appeal ISO's Decision of approving the banana standard OOXML Venue : In Front of Townhall, Corporation Circle , Bangalore Date : 15th April 6.00pm The programme is planned as a starting point for various events awareness campaigns on Document freedom . Please use following wiki page for organising the programme http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Campaign_for_Document_Freedom [snip] wish our community in delhi was this active. any takers at RKGIT? +1 for that -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Bangalore, 15th April: Candle light vigil for Document Freedom
Linux Lingam wrote: wish our community in delhi was this active. any takers at RKGIT? http://www.ukuug.org/ooxml/ has a well reasoned argument on the ooxml issue -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
