[ilugd] [Commercial] Consultant / trainer for Liferay, Moodle
Hello List, There is requirement of a consultant / trainer for setup, management, usage, maintenance of servers based on : Liferay Moodle all of it on Linux platform using Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL and related technologies. The requirement is in Delhi, but the client is willing to get services remotely also, if it can be worked out well. If anyone wishes to provide the training / consulting, please contact me offline. --- With best wishes for Unity in thinking, feeling and action. Sudhir Gandotra. 98-101-20918 IIPL: B-220/2, 2nd Fl., Savitri Nagar, Malviya Nagar, New Delhi 110017, India Phone : +91-11-26014670, 71, 72. Fax : +91-11-26014672 OpenLX Linux OS, Linux Training, Support, Services, Product Development Affordable Business Desktop @ Just Rs. 500/- : http://kalculate.com/piracy.php http://www.openlx.com/openlx.html - FOSS award 2008 winner Linux from India http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/24867/news.htm http://openlx.com/features.html - OpenLX Linux features You don't need violence to shake the world Treat Others As You Would Have Them Treat You www.humanistmovement.org ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
I'd say that the 'Canonical' aspect of Greg's talk has over shadowed a much more pertinent take-away from it - that contributions to the upstream is a pretty good way to get things done (or, control destiny). In fact, this message could work out nicely in events where iLUG-D organizes, participates. http://www.gutenberg.net The friend who sent me the link of Greg's talk (mis)used his numbers on Canonical to paint a gray picture of the company [Canonical]. My friend's effort in sending me that info and misguiding me was just another example how people twist facts for other purposes. He used Greg's figures to show me that Ubuntu is not worth consideration, as the company behind it is doing nothing. While the discussions on the thread has made certain other things very very clear to me and I am grateful to all those who wrote and explained. As my own conclusion, after reading all those replies, I will be sticking with Ubuntu and see if I can gain expertise on distros which are not controlled by any company. (Please correct me if my interpretations are wrong :-)) I today found a blog posting of Greg where he explains things clearly, which I am sure you all have already read: *One main question that I saw a lot, and was even asked about during my talk, was what about Canonical's work on the desktop/Gnome/KDE? I really don't know if they have contributed a lot of effort back upstream on these projects, that wasn't my point here. Remember, this was given at the Linux Plumbers Conference a gathering of developers of the low-level plumbing of Linux. This wasn't a group of desktop developers, so remember the audience that this was addressed to please. If Canonical has contributed a lot to Gnome/KDE, that's great, I'm sure someone will post the numbers soon to verify this. Either way, please remember that this was not the audience that I was addressing. I sat down with Matt the day after my talk, as he described, and hopefully the Canonical kernel developers will work to become more of a valid part of the community, which is what I am sincerely hoping will happen here. Oh, and Amanda, I have given this very same kind of talk to Amazon, a number of months ago, as well as many other companies over the past 1 1/2 years, so it's not like I am ignoring them at all. And this response brings me back to my main point of my talk, which most people seem to have missed as they were upset at me pointing out Canonical's lack of upstream contributions. And that point was, and still is: Developers who are not allowed to contribute to Linux should change jobs!* http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/lpc_2008_law_and_gospel.html Regards Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Lyx, My Beautiful GNU/Linux, Mind-Maps, and DP
Videos from Software Freedom Day at BITS Pilani Goa centre... Lyx ... and all that LyX is a document processor following the self-coined what you see is what you mean paradigm (WYSIWYM), as opposed to the WYSIWYG ideas used by word processors. This means that the user only has to care about the structure and content of the text, while the formatting is done by LaTeX, an advanced typesetting system. LyX is designed for authors who want professional output with a minimum of effort and without becoming specialists in typesetting. The job of typesetting is done mostly by the computer, following a predefined set of rules called a style, and not by the author. Specific knowledge of the LaTeX document processing system is not necessary but may improve editing with LyX significantly for specialist purposes. DP explains how he uses this tool... (quote from the Wikipedia) http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=F-03AtOx1Ps My beautiful [GNU]Linux BITS-Pilani Goa campus has grown over the past four to five years, and now has over 2000 students on the outskirts of Vasco/Dabolim. At a Software Freedom Day held on the campus recently (Sept 27, 2008) we encounter students, and learn about their interest in Free Software and Open Source. Also some images from an event that saw talks and presentation span the better part of two days. This video starts with a showcasing of the potential of GNU/Linux, the largely volunteer-built alternative computing system... that's in fact better than the 'real thing' (my view)! http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=Py6YdW03YYE Mind-maps? What's all that about? A mind map is a diagram used to represent words, ideas, tasks, or other items linked to and arranged radially around a central key word or idea. Mind maps are used to generate, visualize, structure, and classify ideas, and as an aid in study, organization, problem solving, decision making, and writing. DP explains at the BITS Pilani, Goa centre. 27 September 2008. http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=k5689nG0FEU --- On mind-maps, please check out some other excellent presentations also on YouTube. On Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map#Origins On YouTube.com: Maximise the Power of Your Brain - Tony Buzan MIND MAPPING http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=MlabrWv25qQfeature=related Mindmeister - Mindmaps with team spirit http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=FChJkOch0Fwfeature=related Getting Things Done (GTD) with Mindmaps http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=THxauHwtUpMfeature=related Mind-Maps How to mindmap http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=qWz88RHQS4sfeature=related Smarter Mind Maps http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=3zdBkVvJkFUfeature=related Mind Maps and Self Coaching http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=K2xezdpNifUfeature=related Make Mind Maps with revolutionairy software from the creator http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=yY9IZoDjRwMfeature=related How Mindmaps can help you learn a language http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=XVYDcTNI-_sfeature=related MINDMAPS - my experience http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=mch8H7LHkHUfeature=related --- DP-1 at SFD (BITS Pilani Goa campusa, Sept 27, 2008) Talk by young ILUG-Goa/ILUG-Ponda volunteer DP. He explains issues of documentation that could be useful to any student and researcher. http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=QktwiBicJ1E Other video shorts at: http://in.youtube.com/user/fredericknoronha -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Gaurav Mishra wrote: perhaps you would then also be convinced that OSX is the future ? No , I am not Thats interesting, since most of the claims made by both sides on that line are quite identical. atleast the ones that I have come across. Any other pointers how many apps have they worked on internally ? how many of them are open ? Hmm, That is a counter question ?, I don`t research on what ubuntu is making and what is open in that ? Will still love to know about your claim Sorry, am not big on spoonfeeding. Also since you a part of this thread, I think its reasonable to expect you to make a little bit of an effort to backup your own lines. Considering you dont even know what products Canonical has released so far, I doubt you really have any real lowdown on the launchpad issue either. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: RH and Novell (SUSE) choose easy target where they can compete - Canonical choose much much harder target and yet is delivering good results. So who is coward then?? Thats just nonsense. I dont see how supporting more devices, running a better memory management routine or better virt support would be considered 'easy targets' - not how that would not contribute to Linux on the desktop. if Ubuntu was to fall back to linux-2.2 days and use that kernel how many of the modern day computers would their distro run on ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: [snipped the quotes from Greg's blog] And this response brings me back to my main point of my talk, which most people seem to have missed as they were upset at me pointing out Canonical's lack of upstream contributions. And that point was, and still is: Developers who are not allowed to contribute to Linux should change jobs!* ^^^ that's the take-away. The whole ruckus about Canonical was something that distracted everyone from this. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gaurav Mishra wrote: Hmm, That is a counter question ?, I don`t research on what ubuntu is making and what is open in that ? Will still love to know about your claim Well i have followed mark`s mail on launchpad so i know about his claim. The question i have put was in response of your claim of Canonical`s working on many closed source proprietary stuff , I think that`s a vague statement and contains no validity if not backed by any proper pointers. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: RH and Novell (SUSE) choose easy target where they can compete - Canonical choose much much harder target and yet is delivering good results. So who is coward then?? Thats just nonsense. I dont see how supporting more devices, running a better memory management routine or better virt support would be considered 'easy targets' - not how that would not contribute to Linux on the desktop. By targets he meant market structure not development targets. IMO Canonical and Ubuntu brought Linux Desktop OS in mainstream atleast in my part of country. 100% of newbies and 80% desktop users i know use ubuntu. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Gaurav Mishra wrote: The question i have put was in response of your claim of Canonical`s working on many closed source proprietary stuff , I think that`s a vague statement and contains no validity if not backed by any proper pointers. really ? did you look ? how many open source projects have they been working on that are now gold ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Gaurav Mishra wrote: By targets he meant market structure not development targets. I'd love to see you provide a detailed explanation on that. Eg. how would support for my arc-1220 or the webcam be oriented to the market structure and not a development target. What *is* the difference anyway ? IMO Canonical and Ubuntu brought Linux Desktop OS in mainstream atleast in my part of country. 100% of newbies and 80% desktop users i know use ubuntu. about a year or so back, that would have been true in a lot of areas, Almost everyone that I know who has used something else, then used ubuntu is now back to using something else. One thing that you do have to give Ubuntu is that they did create a lot of market noise, no one doubts that. The point on hand is that they need to do more than just that. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gaurav Mishra wrote: IMO Canonical and Ubuntu brought Linux Desktop OS in mainstream atleast in my part of country. 100% of newbies and 80% desktop users i know use ubuntu. really ? did you look ? how many open source projects have they been working on that are now gold ? about a year or so back, that would have been true in a lot of areas, Almost everyone that I know who has used something else, then used ubuntu is now back to using something else. One thing that you do have to give Ubuntu is that they did create a lot of market noise, no one doubts that. The point on hand is that they need to do more than just that. It`s not about number of projects , It`s about complete package , usability and experience they provide. Go through this http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/162 to understand , Why ? and what ? canonical is doing. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Gaurav Mishra wrote: really ? did you look ? how many open source projects have they been working on that are now gold ? It`s not about number of projects , It`s about complete package , usability and experience they provide. Go through this http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/162 to understand , Why ? and what ? canonical is doing. *sigh* you seem to either prefer to evade the issue, or miss the point completely. Anyway, enjoy. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Introduction class for ELCOT Laptop users
2008/9/23 Shrinivasan T [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friends. The laptop provided by ELCOT is preloaded with OpenSuse and Ubuntu linux. But most of the people dont know how to use them. They struggle a lot little little things like bluetooth, installing apps, games, etc It will be so nice, if we give a one day seminar on ow to use linux for all elcot laptop users. It is necessary too. I see more users remove linux and put windows with local service engineers. VirtualBox is there. but they dont know about it. It is our responsible thing to urge and train people to use linux. So, please arrange a tutorial day. We can get all the email ids from elcot. Waiting for the Linux Laptop Festival. Friends. We have to do something. I am seeing a lot of students wont find their turbo C, winamp, photoshop, and .NET in their laptop. They simply wipe the hard disk and go for windows. There is no userguide or manual. The video tutorial in tamil and english is not compitable with KDE. They search the things in KDE. and finaly go to their pirated os. It is our responsible to do something. We have to arrange for a seminar and publicity it. A userguide may be helpful. How to start? It is a wonderful opportunity. We should not waste it. -- dear, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.wordpress.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Introduction class for ELCOT Laptop users
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:49:59 +0530 Shrinivasan T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/23 Shrinivasan T [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] They simply wipe the hard disk and go for windows. There is no userguide or manual. The video tutorial in tamil and english is not compitable with KDE. They search the things in KDE. and finaly go to their pirated os. It is our responsible to do something. I will raise an objection again about this being cross-posted to hell and back. Please note that I am trimming follow-ups to the groups that I am subscribed to. Are you seriously expecting people from Delhi, Goa, Kolkata, Kanchi, and wherever else to drop everything, and rush to ELCOT's rescue? I will ask again: Did anyone try to contact the (supposedly) active Chennai LUG before spamming all and sundry? We have to arrange for a seminar and publicity it. A userguide may be helpful. How to start? It is a wonderful opportunity. [...] I again strongly disagree. From the facts described in this thread (maybe there are more details that we are unaware of), ELCOT went ahead, and did this without planning, or even trying to engage anyone in the FOSS community. If that is indeed the case, I do not see how a volunteer community is responsible for their mismanagement. From what I see, at best, the Chennai LUG could decide that this is something worthwhile, and get involved. If this happens, then further collaborations can grow out of contacts from within the Chennai LUG. Sorry for the vehemence, but of late I am seeing all to many cases of government institutions expecting people to automatically fall into line with *their* plans. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gaurav Mishra wrote: really ? did you look ? how many open source projects have they been working on that are now gold ? It`s not about number of projects , It`s about complete package , usability and experience they provide. Go through this http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/162 to understand , Why ? and what ? canonical is doing. *sigh* you seem to either prefer to evade the issue, or miss the point completely. Anyway, enjoy. Hmm, I understand what you want to say and what greg`s talk was all about. I didn`t made the point that RH, Suse, Centos and other open source distro didn`t made valuable contribution , Yes they did. But it`s also fair enough to say that ubuntu is making good enough contribution to FOSS world. How ? By giving better visibility and attracting people from outside FLOSS world.( I don`t have data to verify currently, But this is something which i say from my experience) http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/145 , Shows some examples of how launchpad has increased bug fillings which thus resulted in better bug-fixing and better stable OS. I certainly don`t go with the opinion that only the upstream development contribution can be stand as contribution to FOSS , FOSS is much more than that. Yes, Canonical is a company, Which is focussing on desktop market and thus make roadmap and thus their area of focus is different from server focused comanies Red hat. Every enterprise need to make profit and launchpad is a integral part of their commercial startegy.So i don`t see them wrong on making launchpad closed source. Everything on Launchpad is made upstream and vice versa, So they are not locking any content either. I hope i am clear :) -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [re: ubuntu] how many open source projects have they been working on that are now gold ? Bear in mind that while GPL requires you to publish source of distributed code, it does not require you to contribute back upstream. That's a funda- mental part of GPL freedom too. So, ubuntu is not contributing back upstream into debian. I am convinced this is self correcting in the long term. In the short term it is handy for ubuntu packagers since they have easy control over what they need to fix. In the long term however debian upstream will diverge more and more from ubuntu. This is a bad thing for all since it means more work all round, fixes can't go back upstream smoothly, and maintaining ubuntu will get more painful. The process is handily summarized in this diagram: http://mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/attribution.png Notice the flow of fixes from ubuntu is not going anywhere beyond ubuntu. This is clearly a workflow process issue. I expect it will be formally addressed and fixed. Basically by adding an arrow in the diagram pointing upstream to debian and enforcing it as policy for ubuntu packagers. In the same line of thought, Joey Hess, a prominent debian maintainer, has suggested that divergence from upstream be treated as a bug (http://lwn.net/Articles/283038/) since he believes that upstream fixing is wiser than ad-hoc fixing for a distribution package. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Sun, Sep 28 2008, Bibek Paudel wrote: IMO, Ubuntu came very late in the scenario when the Linux kernel had achieved more or less a polished state. Redhat, Novell etc contributed for it. This is patently untrue -- look at the number of lines of code -- pr patchsets -- going into 2.6.27 _now_. And how few of them come from caonical/ubuntu folks. manoj -- Q: What's a WASP's idea of open-mindedness? A: Dating a Canadian. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Sun, Sep 28 2008, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Bibek Paudel wrote: IMO, Ubuntu came very late in the scenario when the Linux kernel had achieved more or less a polished state. Redhat, Novell etc contributed for it. I came across this comment on Linux Magazine: *I personally think that Canonical contributed enormously by nearly doubling Linux desktop install base. And the Linux desktop install base is important bit. I don't think that anyone is arguing that canonical, and ubuntu, do not provide a useful product, nor that the product they provide is popular. The point is whether they are good citizens in the free software community, and part of _that_ ethos is feeding user feedback (positive or negative), and code changes, back upstream. I can't say I am impressed by canonical's efforts in that arena. manoj -- Aim for the moon. If you miss, you may hit a star. Clement Stone Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Sun, Sep 28 2008, Karanbir Singh wrote: Mehul Ved wrote: Also his arguement was, being run by one man, who may tomorrow change his mind and stop support to Ubuntu, then what? I don't agree to this point at all. Ubuntu is where it is because of it's community. Absolutely, and the technical community around Ubuntu is called Debian. And Ubuntu's effort in feeding back patches to Debian have not really impressed the Debian developers that much (apart, perhaps, from those being paid by Mark). manoj -- The curse of the Irish is not that they don't know the words to a song -- it's that they know them *___all*. -- Susan Dooley Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Sun, Sep 28 2008, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: Absolutely, and the technical community around Ubuntu is called Debian. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are allegations that Canonical is taking away a lot of Debian developers, hiring them for ubunt, which affects Debian development. Is that correct, Karan ji? Well, not really. Canonical only has about 120 or so employees, and Debian has over a thousand developers, and several times that in active contributors. Even those employed by Canonical tend to continue working with Debian. In any case, most people contributing to Debian have a day job anyway, so Debian work is rarely affected by ones employer. manoj -- If you would know the value of money, go try to borrow some. Ben Franklin Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Invitation to The National Public Meeting on Software Patents
*Please Circulate widely* On behalf of the organizers, Free Software Users Group- Bangalore cordially invites you to The National Public Meeting on Software Patents ==Venue== 2nd Floor, Ecumenical Resource Centre, United Theological College, Millers Road, Benson Town. (Behind Cantonment Railway Station) Bangalore–560046 ==Time== 10:00–17:00 Saturday, October 4, 2008 Software patents in India occupy a contentious and indeterminate legal space. While recent amendments to the Patent Act have sought to bring our law in conformity with WTO-mandated standards, these amendments have shied from pronouncing conclusively on the patentability of software. The result is an equivocation in the law which is being wrestled aggressively and effectively by corporate interests, patent attorneys and the Patent Office in favour of granting software patents. Unheard, and so unrepresented in this powerful triad are the interests of millions of citizen-consumers who are either presumed too ignorant to be credited with a view on the issue, or are presumed to be irrelevant to the determination of issues which are seen as purely business matters (as opposed to citizen matters). Software is everywhere you look (and many places you never think of looking). With the explosion of low-cost computing devices (think mobile phones and iPods), software has leaked out of its traditional home—the PC—and begun infiltrating various aspects of our lives. From traffic signals to toilet commodes in some countries, refrigerators to railway tickets, vacuum cleaners and electronic voting machines, TVs, refrigerators and electronic pacemakers, inanimate objects of all sizes are humming to themselves, chattering amongst themselves in an intricate, highly complex tongue called 'software' that few of us can ever hope to understand. On the impulses of software, we stop or move on streets, fill up on petrol, and elect governments. Someone's heart beats. Someone else receives land records on a village kiosk. Someone is standing by helplessly for fourteen years (the un-evergreened term of a patent) because software failed to factor in her disability. There are big stakes involved in the control of software in an era when software is becoming increasingly central to the way we humans organize our lives and inhabit a democracy. At one level this is about preserving the right of agency and self-direction that citizens have in their own lives. At another, it is about the right not to be silenced when our long-fought democratic republic is at risk of being diminished by a few lines of software in a machine. Whether or not we are all in fact capable of deciphering software is inessential. Those of us who are ought not to be denied the freedom to interrogate, tinker and improve. Patents have the effect of adding an additional layer of 'protection' to already existing copyright protection of software, while simultaneously overriding the various affordances and safeguards built into copyright law. For instance, the right of fair dealing under copyright law permits users to examine and modify any software in order to make it interoperable with other software. This is an extremely potent right that reasserts our right to intervene in the shaping of our surroundings. It is also one of the rights that is most imperiled by software patents. The present public hearing on software patents is an invitation for dialogue on the various issue surrounding software patents. Although the Patent Office had scheduled a public consultation on its Draft Patent Manual to be held in Bangalore in August this year, that meeting was abruptly cancelled (or postponed indefinitely, or to an unannounced date—we can't be sure) without any reasons having been assigned by the Patent Office. This signals either of two unpleasant scenarios: first, the Patent Office is proceeding with its consultations in an extremely mechanical fashion, not intending inputs received in the course of these consultations to qualitatively impact their functioning in any way; or secondly, perhaps the Patent Office underestimates the amount that citizens living in the IT capital of India might have to say on the subject of software patents. It is our attempt in this public hearing to organize the kind of consultation that the Indian Patent Office ought to have conducted. We hope also hereby, to serve as a gentle but firm reminder to the Patent Office that its task is as yet undone. ==Agenda== 1000–1100 Presentation on the principles of patent law and software patents Sudhir Krishnaswamy (National Law School) Prabir Purkayastha (Delhi Science Forum) Nagarjuna G. (Free Software Foundation of India) 1100–1130 Discussion on software patents in the Indian context: Indian Patent Act, and the draft patent manual Prashant Iyengar (Alternative Law Forum) Venkatesh Hariharan (Red Hat) 1130–1150 Tea break 1150–1240 Discussion on patents and the development sector
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
2008/9/29 Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/145 , Shows some examples of how launchpad has increased bug fillings which thus resulted in better bug-fixing and better stable OS. The point here is, even though Ubuntu get to use all the good stuff that most distributions develop, no one else get to use what Ubuntu has done well - like Launchpad. A classic example is Rosetta - the translation component of launchpad. They get the upstream translation - but nobody else gets any Ubuntu translations. -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] In Debian Lenny, VLC can't play AVI
Dear friends, I recently installed Debian Lenny (network install), but I am unable to play DivX or avi files. It could play mpeg files though. Also, can someone please share his working source.list list for Lenny? Regards -- Swapnil Bhartiya http://ybfree.blogspot.com/ Mobile: 09910956518 === I use Free Software, what do you use? === ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India
Hi Every Body, Could you dare to challenge if redhat puts its logo and art work at your property and products and claim trademark ownership rights ? in the similar way would you object redhat which has put its logo and art work in RHEL Linux distribution and claimed the trade mark product ownership in RHEL when redhat is not the owner of RHEL. and GPL is the owner ..Could you dare to challenge the redhat.Redhat inc is under attack from open source community . I know Linux and GPL is bigger than redhat. But it's unfortunate that redhat is blatantly violating GPL by not permitting any body or every body to redistribute the RHEL ! GPL permits any body and every body to put thier Logos and art work inside the GPL as credit for thier contribution , But does not give or transfer ownership of GPL, to enforce thier trademarks . Linux gives power to any body or every body to resell or redistribute and make earning by giving support and consulting services.It is open for customer to select any vendor for this purpose and pay any amount for services depending on the brand of any comany . .Where as GPL permits any body and every body to use copy modify redistribute (Any body can be distributer and re-distributer) the any linux disribution and as redhat is not owner of GPL ,therfore it connot restrict any body or every body to redisribute RHEL a Linux disribution.Redhat cannot enfoce its trademarks rights in RHEL as redhat is not the real owner of the GNU Linux .IT is only a contributer to the linux and not the owner of the linux.More specific RHEL is an Linux Distribution as it is known and redhat is only distributor. And Linux distributor cannot be owner of Linux. Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? .That’s a question that’s often asked by many, but generally fails to receive a confident reply and Linux community is much confused on this issue . It was reportedly popped up during a discussion at the Delhi-LUG too. What followed were very interesting opinions from active members of the group. As you might have read through, the article published in Linux For You September issue 2008 entitled Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? you will become aware of various issues and doubts around this question. Unfortunately, the discussion did not end with a conclusive reply from Redhat .LFY daringly questioned redhat India spoke person and its replies left the open community without the correct answer .Linux for you need to conduct further debate and let the open community debate this issue openly and find a open solution in open manner without any damage to redhat as we consider redhat as open source leader worldwide and even redhat should learn to respect the GPL Whole heartily and stop the nonsense of showing disrespect to GPL from which it get power to make RHEL distribution same GPL need to be put in RHEL. Trade mark law does not permit any body to invade or infringe in others property and GPL is not the property of Redhat any way. Redhat cannot and will not be able to enforce its trademarks in RHEL as Linux is GPL and not the property of Redhat. it can put Logo and artwork in its own property and enforce it , for that nobody is objecting .Redhat should stop mixing trademarks policy with GPL and GNU Linux.Here's is way to defend GPL . You can find out more by reading this posted article: Open Letter To Linux For You India published at www.ccwuonline.com titled '' Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? http://ccwuonline.com/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=11 Thanking you in anticipation ,with regards. M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN Unlimited Bangalore KPN UNLIMITED Corporate Office:No.18/6, Executive chambers, Cunningham Road, Bangalore – 560052. WEBSITE WWW.KPNUNLIMITED.ORG ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India
On Tuesday 30 Sep 2008, M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN UNLIMITD wrote: Could you dare to challenge if redhat puts its logo and art work at your property and products and claim trademark ownership rights ? in the similar way would you object redhat which has put its logo and art work in RHEL Linux distribution and claimed the trade mark product ownership in RHEL when redhat is not the owner of RHEL. and GPL is the owner ..Could you dare to challenge the redhat.Redhat inc is under attack from open source community . I know Linux and GPL is bigger than redhat. But it's unfortunate that redhat is blatantly violating GPL by not permitting any body or every body to redistribute the RHEL ! I'd suggest you figure out the differences between trademarks and licences before claiming that what someone is doing is illegal. Please also examine RH's claims about ownership (whether they claim to own the distribution or the trademarks) carefully. As far as I know no one in his/her right mind who understands these issues claims that RH is in violation or either law or ethics in their distribution. I'm quite willing to participate in a sane, /informed/ discussion on these issues in the list; OTOH if all you want to do is troll please include me out. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] In Debian Lenny, VLC can't play AVI
Swapnil Bhartiya writes: I recently installed Debian Lenny (network install), but I am unable to play DivX or avi files. It could play mpeg files though. Also, can someone please share his working source.list list for Lenny? I recommend the w32codecs package from Debian Multimedia. Here are the sources.list entries: http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php HTH. Kumar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India
On Tuesday 30 Sep 2008, M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN UNLIMITD wrote: snip ... This topic was discussed in this mailing list a few weeks ago. Please search through the mailing list archives. -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] In Debian Lenny, VLC can't play AVI
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Kumar Appaiah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Swapnil Bhartiya writes: I recently installed Debian Lenny (network install), but I am unable to play DivX or avi files. It could play mpeg files though. Also, can someone please share his working source.list list for Lenny? I recommend the w32codecs package from Debian Multimedia. Here are the sources.list entries: http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php HTH. Kumar But I think VLC doesn't require any codecs to be installed separately. Isn't that the whole premise/benefit of VLC that codecs are built in? -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] In Debian Lenny, VLC can't play AVI
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:34:11AM +0530, shantanu goel wrote: I recommend the w32codecs package from Debian Multimedia. Here are the sources.list entries: http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php But I think VLC doesn't require any codecs to be installed separately. Isn't that the whole premise/benefit of VLC that codecs are built in? Oh, I was not aware of that (my knowledge on multimedia is very poor). In any case, the debian-multimedia packages are needed for mplayer, so if VLC doesn't work, you could probably give them a try. Thanks. Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Interesting Article on Server Migration with Linux
http://weblog.infoworld.com/venezia/archives/018446.html Visit us at: Power Generation Water Middle East (PGWME)- 2008 ~ Abu Dhabi,October 26~28, 2008 Middle East Electricity Exhibition (MEE)-2009 ~ Dubai-UAE , February 8~10, 2009 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India
On Mon, Sep 29 2008, M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN UNLIMITD wrote: Could you dare to challenge if redhat puts its logo and art work at your property and products and claim trademark ownership rights ? in the similar way would you object redhat which has put its logo and art work in RHEL Linux distribution and claimed the trade mark product ownership in RHEL when redhat is not the owner of RHEL. and GPL is the owner Err, the GPL is a _license_. It can't own anything. And since RHEL expands to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, I would do some research before asserting that Red Hat does not own the mark RHEL. manoj -- If God wanted us to have a President, He would have sent us a candidate. Jerry Dreshfield Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] { Idea } Taking ScreenShot While installing Linux OS
Can somebody make a script based on this command to take screenshot while installation of any Linux OS * Press Ctrl+Alt+F2 * mount a external drive or any unused partition * xwd -root | xwdtopnm | pnmtopng Screenshot1.png * You need to modify it for taking screenshot from command line, need to set display variable, from X it is working fine. * You may modify it for taking screenshot automatically . PS1: Do anybody has any wired thought for X screenrecording while installation, You may need to install packages to the running OS by which you are installing, -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ http://www.lug-iitd.org │ http://twitter.com/eduvid └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
