Re: [ilugd] Fwd: SliTaz GNU/Linux distribution - help of translating info on indian-hindu wikipedia
[Forwarding without prejudice. And yes, I'm Hindi and I speak the Hindu language ;) *laughs* I'm not surprised. Even Wikipedia redirects 'Hindu' to 'Hinduism' and puts a disambigouation notice. 'Hindusim' and 'Hindi' are less ambigous terms. -- Artagnon (.com) Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Reply in-line :- On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:17, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: Hi all, Apologies for a long long mail well in advance. I usually take 24-48 hours before responding to mails like Raj and Sudhanwa wrote. Sometimes we do respond in haste :- While on the subject, your mail licensing weirdness: My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ still prevents me from selling a DVD of ILUGD mailing list archives. This is a major blow, since the demand for these DVDs is constantly rising and currently outstrips the combined demand for pirated copies of Popcorn Frigidaire and Catnap Refunds, and I'm going to sue you for making me lose crows worth of legitimate business due to persistent combative, militant licensing. @ Raj Mathur . Its your prerogative to do whatever suing you want to for as you my 'persistent combative, militant licensing' If it was an attempt to intimidate me or an attempt at humor then both are unfortunately lost for neither makes sense to me. Also from what little I understand, these matters are still evolving. As Mr. Duggal of Supreme Court says it The same case presented the same way to 5 different judges may lead to 5 different decisions I have my own take in the manner. Its easy to intimidate a single person but let's say if it was a big FOSS company would Raj's reply be the same, I wonder. Let's take a very real as well as hypothetical scenario. Let's say that shirish was not just shirisha...@gmail.com but shirisha...@redhat.com or shirisha...@ubuntu.com (Please remember this is all hypothetical) and let's say redhat (or ubuntu) as a matter of policy on their SMTP Server puts a signature which gets added to every mail something on the lines of a. It may have intellectual property so the reader shouldn't disclose it. Disclosing the same may lead to suing. b. If due to advice or help given in the mail, if there is any damage to a person's computer/data etc. the company wouldn't be held liable. From a company's stand point it may be the right thing to do. a. While the person may be paid on company time for working with FOSS communities the company wouldn't be like to be liable for any help, advice or whatever told by any single individual. b. The possibility of disgruntled employees taking a final shot is always there. One of many reasons that a company may have. While I do not know about ILUG-D but have seen something like the license I pointed out in quite a few mailing lists. Now as far as Mr. Sudhanwa pointed out, 'copyright violation' is a serious allegation. The first draft of my blog post had the notice that the pictures were taken from the freed.in or freed.in flickr pool with hyperlinks given of the two . So there was no attempt to tell that the photos were of my own. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur r...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, shirish shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: Also from what little I understand, these matters are still evolving. As Mr. Duggal of Supreme Court says it The same case presented the same way to 5 different judges may lead to 5 different decisions I have my own take in the manner. I don't know if you have written that 'take' down somewhere, but it would be interesting to know more about that. The rationale is that there must be a reason why you feel comfortable CC licensing your mails to the mailing lists and, if that reason is put down somewhere it would perhaps lead to a discussion rather than the shotgun-scatter discussions across mailing lists. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
Hi, --- On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, shirish shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: | Let's take a very real as well as hypothetical scenario. \-- Just out of curiosity, may I ask what license do you use for your day-to-day phone/in-person conversation? SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, --- On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, shirish shirisha...@gmail.com wrote: | Let's take a very real as well as hypothetical scenario. \-- Just out of curiosity, may I ask what license do you use for your day-to-day phone/in-person conversation? EULA -- Ramakrishna Reddy GPG Key ID:31FF0090 Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [x-post][OT]? Response to Misleading News Article - Netbook Security
H! I have posted a rebuttal about a misleading article about netbook security @ http://dineshah.wordpress.com/ The links to original articles are there in the post but I am including here as well. http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE52201120090303 http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=d1b8ded8-f7be-448b-88b2-7226ac01200d I am inviting you all to write to the authors of these article at http://reuters-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/reuters_en.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?p_sid=kKoc2*rjp_lva=p_li=p_accessibility=p_redirect=p_page=1p_cv=p_cats=p_hidden_prods=p_new_search=1p_prod_lvl1=p_masthead=usp_pv=2.47p_prods=19%2C47prod_lvl1=19prod_lvl2=47 and htwo...@hindustantimes.com With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Blog-1: http://dineshah.wordpress.com/ Blog-2: http://dineshah.blogspot.com/ Dick Cavett - If your parents never had children, chances are... neither will you. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blog post about Freed.in Day 1
On Thursday 05 Mar 2009, shirish wrote: [snip] @ Raj Mathur . Its your prerogative to do whatever suing you want to for as you my 'persistent combative, militant licensing' If it was an attempt to intimidate me or an attempt at humor then both are unfortunately lost for neither makes sense to me. Sorry to hear that. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine whether it was meant to be humour or intimidation. Let's say that shirish was not just shirisha...@gmail.com but shirisha...@redhat.com or shirisha...@ubuntu.com (Please remember this is all hypothetical) and let's say redhat (or ubuntu) as a matter of policy on their SMTP Server puts a signature which gets added to every mail something on the lines of a. It may have intellectual property so the reader shouldn't disclose it. Disclosing the same may lead to suing. b. If due to advice or help given in the mail, if there is any damage to a person's computer/data etc. the company wouldn't be held liable. From a company's stand point it may be the right thing to do. I'm glad to inform you that you're not being singled out just because you post from a gmail address: quasi-legal crap is explicitly forbidden on most mailing lists. There have been enough cases on, e.g. the Linux-India mailing lists (and AFAIR this one too) where people posting with corporate disclaimers and legal notices have been politely (or maybe not so politely) asked to post from another address. Some of those people were from the top companies in the FOSS arena. Ask anyone who's been around for a few years on public (specially FOSS-related) mailing lists and you'll hear the same answer: legal notices of any sort in individual messages are just not on. I believe you have got the same response from other people on other mailing lists in India too. Now that we've hopefully got over the victimisation issue, let me reiterate the points I'd made: What if two different people post to the list under incompatible licences? What becomes of the list archives? Who is liable for a breach of licence? Who is required to enforce the licence? Can the archives be copied for backup purposes? Can the archives be posted on the Internet? Can you transfer them to your friend on CD? Can you sell that CD for Rs. 2.50? How about for Rs. 2,50,000? How do you share the revenue if a licence demands it? What if one licence demands revenue sharing and another demands no revenue? Will you be willing to help someone who wants to sell the ILUGD archives for, say, Rs 15 (DVD cost) to remove all your messages and quotes of your messages before she sells it? Frankly I doubt if there can be any answers to these questions, since the whole concept of having parts of individual documents in a heterogeneous aggregation under separate, possibly mutually exclusive licences is meaningless. It'd be a bit like permitting each editor of a wiki page to specify a licence for each character and word that she adds/deletes/modifies, and about as fruitful. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [x-post][OT]? Response to Misleading News Article - Netbook Security
I sent the following mail to HT at htwo...@hindustantimes.com and lett...@hindustantimes.com = Sir/Madam, It is with utter disappointment that I would like to express how blindly your article [1] http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=d1b8ded8-f7be-448b-88b2-7226ac01200d was syndicated from Reuters [2] http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE52201120090303?pageNumber=2virtualBrandChannel=10452 without any prior research being done on the subject. What both HT and Reuters state is that there are security issues involved with use of Netbooks. With all dure respect, I would like to bring to your knowledge that security of any machine is the job of an Operating System. Microsoft Windows is the major player in this market but there is a market which is not using Windows. We use *GNU/Linux operating system* and this market is not small(there are millions of users worldwide). This is the operating system far more secure than Windows and doesn't require any kind of Anti-virus or Anti-spyware protection because it is developed in a way that it addresses all such concerns by itself. We *don't need Third Party software* like Norton et al which are essential requirements for Windows platform to be secure. The *biggest advantage of GNU/Linux is, it's FREE*. *Anyone can distribute/modify/use it for FREE. That's why we call it as Free/Open Source Software*. The Netbook market grew to such an extent because of GNU/Linux. This is because these machines can't sustain Windows System Requirements and buyers can't afford another 300$ on software licenses(of operating system+office applications+security sofrwares) for a machine that itself costs mere 300$. I expect HT to study some facts before publishing such articles. It brings shame to the whole journalist community. I'm a Final Year Engineering student and feel very disappointed at how ignorant can a leading Indian Newspaper like HT be on such sensitive issues. I'm sure you will receive some more mails addressing the same article. Even Reuters has been notified of this. HT should have first on its own done an exhaustive research into the subject, its history and the reason of the subject's existence itself. An article About Netbooks would have been more appropriate at first place before articles involving security issues get published. Just imagine the situation when a person reads the article in question and still can't relate to what exactly a Netbook is? For how long will the common man be served with half-baked and wrong news? I hope the journalists at HT do have a level of expertise on how a subject is to be presented to the public. Also, the story says a hacker will breach into the systems and steal personal data. A hacker's job is not that. I's a cracker's job to exploit security loopholes in systems for some personal gains. Hackers represents programmers without whose efforts you would not be reading this mail. Hackers are largely mis-interpreted and wrongly presented individuals by the Indian Media. *Hacker is someone who identifies such security flaws and FIXES them rather than indulging in exploitation of any form.* Third, I believe its HIGH time Indian Media grows out of Software Licenses issues. When we pay for a software, we are NOT BUYING it, instead, we are buying a License to use it. Time has come for you to bring this to people's notice and prevent them from falling prey to such things. I'm not sure how many journalists in your Technical Section know about Open Source Technologies. India sleeps most of the time when major developments are taking place elsewhere in the world. Governments of Russia, UK, Vietnam and many more have already mandated the use of Open Source Softwares in their administration and education system. Why are we still sleeping? HT's job should be to put an extra effort, walk an extra mile and show what avenues We The Indians are missing out on. It is your duty. Your recent story here: http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=HomePageid=6c0a5352-68cb-4959-a917-996c7efc2e88Headline=Vivek+Kundra+to+be+Obama%27s+infotech+czar reads that Mr. Vivek Kundra is appointed as Infotech Czar in US. The most interesting part is: He has been an Open Souce deployer and is now going to initiate large-scale use of Open Source Softwares in US Govt. because his profile and previous track record clearly indicate this. Fourth,* NOKIA is a mobile giant and uses Open Source Softwares*. The mobiles that lie in the hands of 60% of the world population work on Open Source Softwares. Our beloved search engine: Google. It stands today in its present form because of Open Source Software. Can you imagine your life without Google? Your response to this question is similar to that of the Google's Founder if asked this: Can Google imagine itself without Open Source? You will also find it surprising but *Internet also exists because of Open Source
[ilugd] [OSI Tech Days 09] Last few Silver Passes left to be registered
Dear all, As a part of the Open Source India team, I'd like to thank you all for being a part of OSI Tech Days 2009 and registering for the event in large numbers. However, this email is a reminder to all those who still haven't gotten themselves registered for the event. As of writing this email, there are only 17 SILVER passes (free) left for the grabs. So, if you had missed our previous messages or had postponed registration, this is your time! The official page of registration is http://www.osidays.com/users/delegate09.php Other highlights of OSI Tech Days 2009 - * Free promotion booths for Indian LUGs at OSI Tech Days 2009 - http://www.osidays.com/blog/?p=7 * Chennai Tweetup, March 12, Beer on the house! - http://www.osidays.com/blog/?p=12 * 'Movers Shakers' award with prizes worth 5 Grands! - http://www.osidays.com/blog/?p=19 Shall be looking forward to meet you all at Chennai. Regards, Sayantan. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
