[ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer

2010-07-29 Thread Vivek Varghese Cherian
Hi,

On July 22 a $35 (or 1500 INR) hand-held Linux computing device was unveiled
by Shri Kapil Sibal, the Union Minister for Human Resource Development of
India. The goal of the project is to lower the price to around $20 in time
and eventually reaching the amazing price of $10.

In a tablet form-factor and using an unspecified variant of Linux (that some
have said might be Android), the cost should remain low while offering a
wide range of functionality. The Sakshat descendant is said to be capable of
supporting video conferencing, viewing a wide selection of video and image
files, word processing, de/compressing files, printing with CUPS, full
Internet browsing with Javascript and Flash, wireless communications, and
remote device management.

The complete article is available on linux journal at the URL:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/indias-35-tablet-everything-killer

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Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer

2010-07-29 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Vivek Varghese Cherian 
vivekcher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On July 22 a $35 (or 1500 INR) hand-held Linux computing device was
 unveiled
 by Shri Kapil Sibal, the Union Minister for Human Resource Development of
 India. The goal of the project is to lower the price to around $20 in time
 and eventually reaching the amazing price of $10.


We have been hearing all kind of such devices right from those days of
Simputer.
Nothing has actually come up till date. (And not at that kind of pricing.)
Even if you take a bill of material and add its pricing, i twill not come
that low.

Lets hope and wait for the device to roll out in the market at that pricing.

-Sudhanwa




 In a tablet form-factor and using an unspecified variant of Linux (that
 some
 have said might be Android), the cost should remain low while offering a
 wide range of functionality. The Sakshat descendant is said to be capable
 of
 supporting video conferencing, viewing a wide selection of video and image
 files, word processing, de/compressing files, printing with CUPS, full
 Internet browsing with Javascript and Flash, wireless communications, and
 remote device management.

 The complete article is available on linux journal at the URL:
 http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/indias-35-tablet-everything-killer

 --
 Vivek Varghese Cherian
 Senior Systems Administrator
 RHCT ( # 605010995430406)

 Website : http://www.vivekcherian.com
 Blog: http://www.vivekcherian.net
 Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/vivekvc
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[ilugd] Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects With All That Private/Final Bullshit Removed

2010-07-29 Thread Ashish SHUKLA
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EYJAFJÖLL, ICELAND — Java programmers around the globe are in a panic today
over a Wikileaks press release issued at 8:15am GMT. Wikileaks announced that
they will re-release the source code for thousands of Open Source Java
projects, making all access modifiers 'public' and all classes and members
non-'final'.

Agile Java Developer Johnnie Garza of Irvine, CA condemns the move. They have
no right to do this. Open Source does not mean the source is somehow
'open'. That's my code, not theirs. If I make something private, it means that
no matter how desperately you need to call it, I should be able to prevent you
- From doing so, even long after I've gone to the grave.

According to the Wikileaks press release, millions of Java source files have
been run through a Perl script that removes all 'final' keywords except those
required for hacking around the 15-year-old Java language's fucking
embarrassing lack of closures.

Moreover, the Perl script gives every Java class at least one public
constructor, and turns all fields without getters/setters into public
fields. The script yanks out all that @deprecated shit, too, claims the
controversial announcement.

Longtime Java programmer Ronnie Lloyd of Austin, TX is offended by the thought
of people instantiating his private classes. It's just common sense, said
Lloyd, who is 37. If I buy you a house and put the title in your name, but I
mark some of the doors 'Employees Only', then you're not allowed to open those
doors, even though it's your house. Because it's really my house, even though
I gave it to you to live in.

Pacing and frowning thoughtfully, Lloyd continued: Even if I go away forever
and you live there for 20 years and you know exactly what's behind the doors —
heck, even if it's a matter of life and death — plain old common sense still
dictates that you're never, ever allowed to open them for any reason.

It's for your own protection, Lloyd added.

Wesley Doyle, a Java web developer in Toronto, Canada is merely puzzled by the
news. Why do they think they need to do this? Why can't users of my Open
Source Java library simply shake their fists and curse my family name with
their dying breaths? That approach has been working well for all the rest of
us. Who cares if I have a private helper function they need? What, is their
copy/paste function broken?

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, who coined the term Opened Source to
describe the jailbroken open-source Java code, fears he may be arrested by
campus security at Oracle or possibly IBM. The Wikileaks founder said: Today
the Eclipse Foundation put out a private briefing calling me a
'non-thread-safe AbstractKeywordRemovalInitiatorFactory'. What the fuck does
that even mean? I fear for my safety around these nutjobs.

The removal of '@deprecated' annotations is an especially sore issue for many
hardworking Java developers. I worked hard to deprecate that code that I
worked hard to create so I could deprecate some other code that I also worked
hard on, said Kelly Bolton, the spokesperson for the League Of Java
Programmers For Deprecating The Living Shit Out Of Everything.

If people could keep using the older, more convenient APIs I made for them,
then why the fuck would they use my newer, ridiculously complicated ones? It
boggles the imagination, Bolton added.

The Eclipse CDT team was especially hard-hit by the removal of deprecation
tags. Morris Baldwin, a part-time developer for the CDT's C++ parsing
libraries says: We have a policy of releasing entire Java packages in which
every single class, interface and method is deprecated right out of the box,
starting at version 1.0.

We also take careful steps to ensure that it's impossible to use our
pre-deprecated code without running our gigantic fugly framework, the
22-year-old Baldwin added. Adding public constructors and making stuff
non-final would be a serious blow to both non-usability and non-reusability.

The Agile Java community has denounced the Wikileaks move as a form of
terrorism. It was probably instigated by those Aspect-Oriented Programming
extremists, speculates Agile Java designer Claudia Hewitt, age 29. I always
knew they wanted to use my code in ways I couldn't predict in advance, she
added.

Many Java developers have vowed to fight back against the unwelcome opening of
their open source. League of Agile Methodology Experts (LAME) spokesperson
Billy Blackburn says that work has begun on a new, even more complicated Java
build system that will refuse to link in Opened Source Java code. The new
build system will be released as soon as several third-party Java library
vendors can refactor their code to make certain classes more
reusable. Blackburn declined to describe these refactorings, claiming it was
none of y'all's business.

Guy Faulkner, a 51-year-old Python developer in Seattle, was amused by the
Wikileaks announcement. When Python developers release Open Source code, they
are saying: 

Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer

2010-07-29 Thread Smruti
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Vivek Varghese Cherian 
vivekcher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On July 22 a $35 (or 1500 INR) hand-held Linux computing device was
 unveiled
 by Shri Kapil Sibal, the Union Minister for Human Resource Development of
 India.


Found an article in CW. Seems like the International Media isn't so
enthusiastic about it. Now, I can't decide whether it's true journalism or
just some guy who can't stand a device from third world taking over their
markets.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9179591/Why_the_35_tablet_will_never_exist?source=rss_hardware

May be you guys can give a better judgement.

Regards,
Smruti
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Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer

2010-07-29 Thread Narendra Sisodiya
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Smruti smrutiman...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Vivek Varghese Cherian 
 vivekcher...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,
 
  On July 22 a $35 (or 1500 INR) hand-held Linux computing device was
  unveiled
  by Shri Kapil Sibal, the Union Minister for Human Resource Development of
  India.


Have anybody seen this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakshat ?
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Re: [ilugd] Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects With All That Private/Final Bullshit Removed

2010-07-29 Thread Narendra Sisodiya
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wahjava...@gmail.com wrote:


Jokes are not allowed here !!
Why you can't understand technical jokes !!
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Re: [ilugd] Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects With All That Private/Final Bullshit Removed

2010-07-29 Thread Narendra Sisodiya
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Narendra Sisodiya 
naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:



 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wahjava...@gmail.comwrote:


 Jokes are not allowed here !!
 Why you can't understand technical jokes !!


Well I should wrote like this

Jokes should not be allowed here unless they have [OT] or [Jokes]  in
subject line. Also this was really a nice writeup !!
Thanks for sharing.


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Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer

2010-07-29 Thread Nishant Prakash Kashyap
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Narendra Sisodiya 
naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Smruti smrutiman...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Vivek Varghese Cherian 
  vivekcher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi,
  
   On July 22 a $35 (or 1500 INR) hand-held Linux computing device was
   unveiled
   by Shri Kapil Sibal, the Union Minister for Human Resource Development
 of
   India.
 
 
 Have anybody seen this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakshat ?
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This is all waste of time. you dont even get outdated crt monitor for
Rs.1500. ullu bana rahe hai.

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Re: [ilugd] Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects With All That Private/Final Bullshit Removed

2010-07-29 Thread Nalin Savara
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wahjava...@gmail.com wrote:

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 EYJAFJÖLL, ICELAND — Java programmers around the globe are in a panic today
 over a Wikileaks press release issued at 8:15am GMT. Wikileaks announced
 that
 they will re-release the source code for thousands of Open Source Java
 projects, making all access modifiers 'public' and all classes and members
 non-'final'.

 haha... Good one man!!!

Even in India, we should write scripts to automatically check out-- modify--
and commit code!!!

-N.S
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Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer

2010-07-29 Thread Narendra Sisodiya
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Nishant Prakash Kashyap 
npkash...@gmail.com wrote:



 This is all waste of time. you dont even get outdated crt monitor for
 Rs.1500. ullu bana rahe hai.


Yes, We know this. vese bhi sarkar hum sabko ullu hi to bana rahi hai last
40 years se.
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Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer

2010-07-29 Thread Arun Khan
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Nishant Prakash Kashyap 
 npkash...@gmail.com wrote:



 This is all waste of time. you dont even get outdated crt monitor for
 Rs.1500. ullu bana rahe hai.


 Yes, We know this. vese bhi sarkar hum sabko ullu hi to bana rahi hai last
 40 years se.

Aur hum sab ullu bane ko tayaar hein.

Seriously, let us do costing of bill of material -  I am stating
current street price @ Lam Rd., Mumbai

DDR2 667 2GB RAM DIMM costs around INR 1900  around USD 41
Motherboard with integrated Atom CPU INR 3000 around USD 65

The above are for Nettop and the cost already exceeds USD 100 plus the cost of
7 LCD Screen
4GB Compact Flash
Chassis
Labor etc.

OK, at large volumes the cost will come down but no way to USD 35.

It is very encouraging to read about it being developed indigenously
but the projected pricing is a gimmick/publicity stunt IMO.

-- Arun Khan

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Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer

2010-07-29 Thread Narendra Sisodiya
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
 naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:
  On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Nishant Prakash Kashyap 
  npkash...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  This is all waste of time. you dont even get outdated crt monitor for
  Rs.1500. ullu bana rahe hai.
 
 
  Yes, We know this. vese bhi sarkar hum sabko ullu hi to bana rahi hai
 last
  40 years se.

 Aur hum sab ullu bane ko tayaar hein.

 Seriously, let us do costing of bill of material -  I am stating
 current street price @ Lam Rd., Mumbai

 DDR2 667 2GB RAM DIMM costs around INR 1900  around USD 41
 Motherboard with integrated Atom CPU INR 3000 around USD 65


DDR3 will be a cost effective option.

Btw here is Open Letter by Nicholas Negroponte -
http://blog.laptop.org/2010/07/29/welcoming-indias-tablet/
He is also taking this joke seriously. At the end the article he invited $35
team at MIT  OLPC.
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Re: [ilugd] India's $35 Tablet- The Everything Killer

2010-07-29 Thread Arun Khan
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Narendra Sisodiya
naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:

 DDR3 will be a cost effective option.

To the best of my knowledge DDR3 costs a bit more in the Mumbai
channels - right now at least.

 Btw here is Open Letter by Nicholas Negroponte -
 http://blog.laptop.org/2010/07/29/welcoming-indias-tablet/
 He is also taking this joke seriously. At the end the article he invited $35
 team at MIT  OLPC.

Cool :)  I hope the team accepts the invitation.  I am sure they can
learn from each other, especially in the areas of production,
distribution and most importantly support.

Seriously, it will a great achievement if it can be mass produced and
deployed.  My only problem with it is the touted price point - trying
to fool the public.

-- Arun Khan

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Re: [ilugd] Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects With All That Private/Final Bullshit Removed

2010-07-29 Thread Ashish SHUKLA
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Narendra Sisodiya writes:
 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Narendra Sisodiya 
 naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:

 
 
 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wahjava...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 
 Jokes are not allowed here !!
 Why you can't understand technical jokes !!
 

 Well I should wrote like this

 Jokes should not be allowed here unless they have [OT] or [Jokes]  in
 subject line. Also this was really a nice writeup !!
 Thanks for sharing.

Thanks for the joke. I really enjoyed it :).

- -- 
Ashish SHUKLA

“All happy families resemble one another, each unhappy family is
unhappy in its own way.” (Leo Tolstoy, Anna Karenina, (1875–1877))
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[ilugd] [OT] Free IPv6 Certification and Free T-Shirt!!

2010-07-29 Thread Ashish SHUKLA
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Hi everyone,

Happy SysAdmins Day :).

The *Free* mentioned in the subject is free as in free bear (which you see in
free TV channels).

Anyone who wants to try out his IPv6 skills and can try the free online
certification[1], which includes quiz and some practical tests, provided by
Hurricane Electric. You'll need:

* Connectivity to IPv6 internet, native or via tunnel[2][3]. AFAICS, the only
  tunnelbroker in APNIC region catering to .IN is HE at Hong Kong.

* Knowledge of IPv6 protocol.

* A domain name (for which you're able to set WHOIS information) to point to
  IPv6 nameservers for creating IPv6 glue records.

* A box which is capable of running web-server/mail-server on IPv6 sockets.

The certification process is divided in various levels. And after reaching
'Sage' level and confirming your snail mail address, you can get a T-Shirt[4].

The T-Shirt can be seen at following URL:

http://www.tunnelbroker.net/forums/index.php?topic=1069.msg5695

Lets hope Indian ISPs also come with such public trials to ease the
transition.

If you need help, you can post here (unless prohibited by list admins), to me,
or better /join IRC channel #ipv6 on Freenode or EFnet.

References:
[1]  http://ipv6.he.net/certification/
[2]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_Broker
[3]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IPv6_tunnel_brokers
[4]  
http://blog.he.net/2010/05/28/hurricane-electric-would-like-to-send-you-a-free-t-shirt/

HTH
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Re: [ilugd] Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects With All That Private/Final Bullshit Removed

2010-07-29 Thread Narendra Sisodiya
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wahjava...@gmail.comwrote:

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 Narendra Sisodiya writes:
  On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Narendra Sisodiya 
  naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote:

 
 
  On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wahjava...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Jokes are not allowed here !!
  Why you can't understand technical jokes !!
 

  Well I should wrote like this

  Jokes should not be allowed here unless they have [OT] or [Jokes]  in
  subject line. Also this was really a nice writeup !!
  Thanks for sharing.

 Thanks for the joke. I really enjoyed it :).


One more from my side -
http://blog.narendrasisodiya.com/2010/07/my-latest-invention-is-much-much-better.html
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[ilugd] ACM SIGCOMM award for Madam Radia Perlman

2010-07-29 Thread Mohit Singh
Dear FOSSouls,


As majority of Internet research has been a FOSS based endeavor, its
always nice to see the contributors getting acknowledged for their
research work.

Madam Radia Perlman will be honored for contributions to Computer
Networking as she wins ACM SIGCOMM Award for Pioneering Advances in
Internet Communication.

http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20100722.082940time=09%2049%20PDTyear=2010public=0

She worked mostly on the spanning tree protocols, convergence and
stability properties of link state routing. Her book
'Interconnections' has been helpful for many generations of budding
Internetworking professionals.



Mohit Singh
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Today's Innovation is Tomorrow's Common Sense
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[ilugd] ILUG-D activity in last 7 days

2010-07-29 Thread nkapoor
Fri 30-Jul-2010: ILUG-D activity in last 7 days:
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New/recent events: 0   Total events: 83
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New Discussion forum postings: 0   Total postings: 1094
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New News items: 0   Total News items: 349
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New Resources: 0   Total Resources: 0
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New comments: 0Total comments: 260
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New pictures: 0Total pictures: 231
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New members: 2   Total members: 6752
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1. Kamakshaiah Musunuru, User, Tigray, India
2. Manoj Purohit, Novice, New Delhi, India
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