Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
Can you please write a howto on this. Many people will be benefited. Or send some URLs which are relevant to India. Google does not help in this. -Sudhanwa ok. many moons ago i wrote this article for pcworld: Get Your Money Back from Microsoft it'll atleast get you started. then, i suggest what we could do next is actually buy a laptop or desktop, and document with video, cameras, and lots of peoples, the whole process of getting a refund. remember, it's our legal right. then post our results on blogs, videoblogs, and elsewhere: http://niyam.com/writing/iconoclasts/iconoclastIT.php?niyamacmar2k i'm game for this experiment. anybody buying a laptop or a desktop in the next few days? do you just want to bring another box home, or, would you like to dare to reach up and kiss the sky? regards niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [about introducing friends to Free software] The worry is more that a simple suggestion to use FOSS may prompt his friend to do nothing at all thus not be helped. Absolutely. It's the way you deal with it that counts. I usually let them use my Ubuntu laptop (replete with eye candy) for a few minutes and they are hooked. Excellent example of an encouraging way to deal with it. On a side note, this may be slightly controversial, it also helps sometimes to use Ubuntu without the Linux. Huh. Bigots are people too, I guess ;-) PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
Has anyone on this list managed to get a refund from any of the major laptop companies. They all package Windows OS with their laptops. Would be interested if anyone has managed to get a refund. That will be cool if any one has managed to do that. Kinda like the Windoze Refund Day as in the Revolution OS documentary. Pratul -- dum vivimus, vivamus 70 72 61 74 75 6C http://pratul.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
Hi, On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Pratul Kalia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone on this list managed to get a refund from any of the major laptop companies. They all package Windows OS with their laptops. Would be interested if anyone has managed to get a refund. That will be cool if any one has managed to do that. Kinda like the Windoze Refund Day as in the Revolution OS documentary. Pratul I don't think refund for Windoze is possible, but you can try this offer from Mandriva to get some discount against your Windoze. http://www.mandriva.com/en/product/refugee-0 -Sudhanwa ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~~ www.sudhanwa.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:12 PM, pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [about introducing friends to Free software] The worry is more that a simple suggestion to use FOSS may prompt his friend to do nothing at all thus not be helped. Absolutely. It's the way you deal with it that counts. I usually let them use my Ubuntu laptop (replete with eye candy) for a few minutes and they are hooked. Excellent example of an encouraging way to deal with it. On a side note, this may be slightly controversial, it also helps sometimes to use Ubuntu without the Linux. Huh. Bigots are people too, I guess ;-) No bigotry here.. It's a fact that Ubuntu has an amazing PR.. So good infact that hard core windoze users don't flinch anymore when I use the F-word (FOSS) in combination with it :) -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
A windows refund is possible, and your full legal right. Microsoft knows this and honours it. Just that so far in india no one has bothered to exercise it. Also you must ensure you do not install it, or in presence of witnesses click on 'do not accept' or similar, for the end user license agreement. Google to find out more. Regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
On 06-Mar-08, at 8:40 AM, Vikas Rawal wrote: in the first place you should have returned the cd to dell and got a refund for the price you paid for vista. Has anyone on this list managed to get a refund from any of the major laptop companies. They all package Windows OS with their laptops. Would be interested if anyone has managed to get a refund. I hear aanjan has - but I dont know if he is on this list -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
On 07-Mar-08, at 1:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just that so far in india no one has bothered to exercise it. Also you must ensure you do not install it, or in presence of witnesses click on 'do not accept' or similar, for the end user license agreement. I heard that for xp there is an accept/reject button - but that is apparently not there for vista - there is only an accept button. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
On 05/03/2008, Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: asked me for the Windows Vista Home Premium CD so that he can try it out. I know its wrong in principal to give him the cd, its license terms deny it, and it would amount to software piracy. But if i dont give it, instead of understanding these principles, my friend would surely think Im just being mean, selfish. Your decision mate...and it would be nice to know what it was. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
Windows Vista checks online to see if the copy was activated-- and whether it is being used by the same guy/hardware for which it was activated-- chances are you need to apart from giving your friend the CD need to phone microsoft and ask them to transfer the activation. Vista OEM version detecting online that it's running on hardware on which it is not activated could lead to your own Vista activation being revoked. This has existed since the days of WinXP... Regards, Nalin On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/03/2008, Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: asked me for the Windows Vista Home Premium CD so that he can try it out. I know its wrong in principal to give him the cd, its license terms deny it, and it would amount to software piracy. But if i dont give it, instead of understanding these principles, my friend would surely think Im just being mean, selfish. Your decision mate...and it would be nice to know what it was. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 22:39, Puneet Lakhina wrote: Moreover since I work in the software business, supporting piracy would be a disservice to my own profession and its profits. What do I do? Do I tell him what software piracy is, and expect him to understand? I know some of the suggestions would be give him Linux. He is knowledgable enough to understand whats linux and whats windows, so if hes asking for windows, he knows what he wants (I assume :-) ) Surprisingly, if the friend can understand about the specs of the computer, doesn't he know that there *is* something called as software piracy? (FOSS world may not consider something like this, but I have to be in both the worlds to speak) If there is a possibility he doesn't know about software piracy, he should probably be asked to refer and find out about it. I believe, he should probably try and understand what Windows is, and how a software company like Microsoft sells the software as a product. Probably, he would get a (pirated) copy for some other source, but then you aren't directly responsible for it. (May be you are not at all). I assume, Freed.in this year was trying to build an ecosystem where FOSS products are nearly, if not equally, trying to equate with the needs of an end-user, apart from forming such a community that brings FOSS to the forefront. Often, my friends do ask for Windows software, and I often tell them, that I don't download any such software, and that I use Kubuntu Linux. I often recommend them a Linux distribution, but I don't force upon them. I often do find alternatives in a Linux distro to accomplish a task better, but don't try it anytime, so I may not be correct all the time. Darn! people expect .exe to run directly. And to recommend them wine could probably increase the probability to run viruses and possibly affect some shared windows drive :( (hmm, I'm supposed to do a lot of things, besides this, and ... hmm) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
On Wednesday 05 March 2008, Puneet Lakhina wrote: [snip] Moreover since I work in the software business, supporting piracy would be a disservice to my own profession and its profits. This is the key. It has nothing to do with profits, but of plain respect. Even if you are an open source programmer, you expect others to respect your licenses. So whether or not you like the terms under which someone else has licensed their software, it is their right to license it as they see fit, and you are free not to purchase it. -Taj. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
Re: [OT] My dilemma (Puneet Lakhina) the specs and the os with my friends. Now one of these friends today has asked me for the Windows Vista Home Premium CD so that he can try it out. I know its wrong in principal to give him the cd, its license terms deny it, and it would amount to software piracy. But if i dont give it, instead of understanding these principles, my friend would surely think Im just being mean, selfish. Just give it to him. It needs more skills than the ability to compile a couple of Linux kernels to run on any VISTA Capable hardware. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
On 05-Mar-08, at 10:39 PM, Puneet Lakhina wrote: I am facing a dilemma that I am sure a lot of you have faced. I recently bough a dell laptop which came with Windows Vista Home Premium. So I obviously got the official windows vista cd. in the first place you should have returned the cd to dell and got a refund for the price you paid for vista. If you havent returned it, then 'accidently' drop it so that it is scratched and unusable and then give it to your friend. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
in the first place you should have returned the cd to dell and got a refund for the price you paid for vista. Has anyone on this list managed to get a refund from any of the major laptop companies. They all package Windows OS with their laptops. Would be interested if anyone has managed to get a refund. Vikas ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: one of these friends today has asked me for the Windows Vista Home Premium CD so that he can try it out. I know its wrong in principal to give him the cd, its license terms deny it, and it would amount to software piracy. But if i dont give it, instead of understanding these principles, my friend would surely think Im just being mean, selfish. Where's the dilemma? If he is truly your friend you should point him to freedom and free software, and the principles of respecting licences. If he disowns you for having principles and for giving him helpful suggestions on setting him free, then you should reassess the value of this friendship. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:58 AM, pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Puneet Lakhina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: one of these friends today has asked me for the Windows Vista Home Premium CD so that he can try it out. I know its wrong in principal to give him the cd, its license terms deny it, and it would amount to software piracy. But if i dont give it, instead of understanding these principles, my friend would surely think Im just being mean, selfish. Where's the dilemma? If he is truly your friend you should point him to freedom and free software, and the principles of respecting licences. If he disowns you for having principles and for giving him helpful suggestions on setting him free, then you should reassess the value of this friendship. The worry is more that a simple suggestion to use FOSS may prompt his friend to do nothing at all thus not be helped. As a person who constantly finds himself in a similar muddle, I have found that a show-and-tell approach much better than a simple suggestion to use FOSS. I usually let them use my Ubuntu laptop (replete with eye candy) for a few minutes and they are hooked. On a side note, this may be slightly controversial, it also helps sometimes to use Ubuntu without the Linux. For some strange reason most people have heard good things about this Ubuntu thing but never actually tried it but a mention of Linux still evokes the response But I hate typing out stuff in the command prompt! -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
