Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
set $Linux=Gnu/Liunx# I don't want another flame war on trivialities;) Hello Guys $ Gals, Well, I normally do not participate in such discussions, maybe I am a bit shy or maybe I don't care. But seriously instead of banging your heads with each other and making a really good atmosphere vitiated, why don't you guys find a very simple but effective method of making women aware of as well as interested in $Linux First use a bit of psychology. Normally, I repeat normally women are shy of trying new things like tech and more so a geeky OS like linux which is not simply clicketyclack. So instead of standing on the roadside with pink placards Join Linux and banners like we are pro-women group and treat them like queens or equals or whatever... Start at home. Bring your girlfriend, your sister, your wife, if possible your mother ( if she is interested in computers, which aged people are not ), your niece etc to the meetings. Presence of women will automatically make them women friendly, since boys are boys if/when they are alone ( means in an only boys group ). The women will slowly and gradually understand the LUG's issues and may become interested in $Linux. Ask them to bring their friends to the meetings and so on and maybe one day there is an all-women LUG in delhi. ( since gals are gals in an only gals group ;) snicker. Namaste. -- vikram... ^^'^^||root||^^^'''^^ // \\ )) //(( \\// \\ // /\\ || \\ || / )) ((\\ -- It is illegal to drive more than two thousand sheep down Hollywood Boulevard at one time. -- The more complex the thinking process the more simple the solution and vice-versa. -- # ~|~ = Registered Linux User #285795 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:58, Raj Mathur wrote: Hassath Also, how about adding a link to the HOW TO ENCOURAGE Hassath WOMEN IN LINUX which I sent in my earlier posting? At Hassath least that might indicate to members that the list has at Hassath least thought about making things woman-friendly. Can do. Thanks, much appreciated. There isn't much there that applies to a group as a whole -- it's mostly what individuals can do to encourage women to feel comfortable and participate. Apart from the ``Keep meeting is an accessible location'', there's nothing there that the LUG as a whole can do. The attitude of the individual members of the group will make a difference. Anyway, whether as individuals, or as a group- if those suggestions were followed- they would go a long way. And to begin with, if more people would read the HOW TO, it would help. Hassath ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
1. If you reall want a woman in here f**king stop treating them like woman and treat them like other human beings. 2. If Women really think this is helping please look back, it only makes us think you want special treatment THE most sensible post on the thread! Stop asking for 'special treatment' and start behaving normally. Nnow, please, don't go off on a tangent with the argument that 'normal' behaviour is too manly and woman unfriendly, etc. etc. Men women have differences which should be resepected. Move on. Start turning up for meetings. Things will change automagically. Btw - I attended only one ILUG-d meet @ Sarai. That was about 4-5 years back. Have not been able to attend any meeting since then... is this group Saurabh Nanda unfriendly? Probably I should write a HOWTO on how to make Linux Users Group Saurabh Nanda friendly! Did you find that joke offensive? (PS: On second thoughts it's a bad joke... real bad :-p) There's only one 'feminist' I've met in my entire life who's agreed to the fact that women ask for wy too much special treatment. She's fed up of it herself. That's exactly what's happening here. (PS: http://jayajha.blogspot.com) I've been on this list for some time now... and I just can't fathom what exactly it is that stops females from joining and participating in discussion on the *mailing list*! sheesh.. it's just a mailing list!! I haven't been to recent meets... so I can't comment on the women unfriendly atmosphere there. Rant stops here... go back to work and be more productive. Nandz. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manpreet == Manpreet Singh Nehra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Manpreet Would You guys just drop this f**king thread. Manpreet [snip] Hey, if you don't like it don't read it! all people can't be interested in all things, and it's pretty simple to make out which posts belong to this thread and which don't. Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQFDDA4HyWjQ78xo0X8RAnbLAJ9ztOUs264moBiBAlNp4PB5woAEaACeOfzS Bp+xYDvIu2PR+5Kb63Ym/qI= =vpyq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 11:33, Saurabh Nanda wrote: snip Rant stops here... go back to work and be more productive. Nandz. Just proves people aren't actually reading the HOW TO. This mail, and the one it is responding to (Manpreet's) would be enough to keep women off the list- now I fully understand why no woman has responded to this thread. Evolution, education, civilisation- have got us nowhere... Hassath ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
Saurabh Nanda wrote: 1. If you reall want a woman in here f**king stop treating them like woman and treat them like other human beings. 2. If Women really think this is helping please look back, it only makes us think you want special treatment THE most sensible post on the thread! Sure - shows what attitudes you hold Stop asking for 'special treatment' and start behaving normally. Nnow, please, don't go off on a tangent with the argument that 'normal' behaviour is too manly and woman unfriendly, etc. etc. Men women have differences which should be resepected. Move on. Start turning up for meetings. Things will change automagically. Btw - I attended only one ILUG-d meet @ Sarai. That was about 4-5 years back. Have not been able to attend any meeting since then... is this group Saurabh Nanda unfriendly? Probably I should write a HOWTO on how to make Linux Users Group Saurabh Nanda friendly! Guess you do have a big ego ? Should not be too much of trouble for you Did you find that joke offensive? (PS: On second thoughts it's a bad joke... real bad :-p) There's only one 'feminist' I've met in my entire life who's agreed to the fact that women ask for wy too much special treatment. She's fed up of it herself. That's exactly what's happening here. (PS: http://jayajha.blogspot.com) One does not have to be a feminist to want to not be oppressed. I've been on this list for some time now... and I just can't fathom what exactly it is that stops females from joining and participating in discussion on the *mailing list*! sheesh.. it's just a mailing list!! If you have been reading the mails of this discussion then there is a how to meant specifically for people who can fathom, may be it will help you fathom whats happening again for you kind information kindly go to http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ I haven't been to recent meets... so I can't comment on the women unfriendly atmosphere there. So don't comment Rant stops here... go back to work and be more productive. Nandz. Sure - wonder if women around you in the wrok place feel comfortable ??? I am not a woman but I am not sure if I would be comfortable working with people with such insensitive and limited attitudes ram ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
At 2005-08-24 11:33:08 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Men women have differences which should be resepected. Move on. Move on is exactly what women are doing, and they don't seem any worse for it. Remember that we're having this discussion because someone asked specifically why women don't participate in LUG activities. Start turning up for meetings. Things will change automagically. Who cares? It's easier to just not turn up for the meetings at all. I've been doing that for years, and it's worked perfectly for me. (Oh, and please disabuse yourself of the notion that only women are put off by crass behaviour. There do exist men who don't think respectful behaviour is special treatment.) Did you find that joke offensive? What joke? I see only yet another attempt to trivialise a document you haven't read by invoking a contrived analogy. It's much more pathetic than offensive. I've been on this list for some time now... and I just can't fathom what exactly it is that stops females from joining and participating in discussion on the *mailing list*! You've been given multiple, highly-specific answers about what exactly it is that discourages women from participating in discussion. So far, apart from your attempt to make fun of them, there is no evidence that you have tried very hard to fathom anything. Might I suggest a remedial reading comprehension course? -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
again for you kind information kindly go to http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ Been there... read that. Not at all informative. The regular run-of-the-mill stuff! I haven't been to recent meets... so I can't comment on the women unfriendly atmosphere there. So don't comment Dude - you're worse that me in nitpicking and starting flame wars. I suddenly feel better! Sure - wonder if women around you in the wrok place feel comfortable ??? I am not a woman but I am not sure if I would be comfortable working with people with such insensitive and limited attitudes Way too much extrapolation here. Just so that I don't get labelled an 'insensitive clod' - here goes: At my institude (college, university, whatever) - I tried initiating a LUG. Though the whole thing died within a couple of meets (the group was man *and* woman unfriendly, I guess, he he :-) I noticed something in the first meet. There were some men and women who had come to the first meet just for the heck of it... they wanted to see what's going on, etc. There was one girl, whom I knew, was interested in Linux, and was very enthusiastic in participating in the LUG. She didn't speak up in the first meet, nor in the second - even after being prompted/prodded to raise her opinion/voice. Then she stopped coming. What more does one need to do? Fall on our knees and beg to the females all around the world - PLEASE! Bless us with your benign presence and opinions... why can't they just behave normally rather than having special interest groups and movements, etc. etc. A LUG meet is not a godforsaken place where they're opressed, beaten up, harassed, sexually assaulted, etc. etc. Why the special treatment there? Just organize meets at earthly hours and places, so that females can make it (Delhi is not a nice place to go back late in the night!) Nandz. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
(Oh, and please disabuse yourself of the notion that only women are put off by crass behaviour. There do exist men who don't think respectful behaviour is special treatment.) Okay... brings me back to the point - other than making fun of them when they specifically ask for special treatment... what other kinds of disrespectful behaviour takes place on the mailing list? Instead of taking potshots at me, could you actually list out such disrespectful behaviour on the mailing list which causes such a less number of women to participate online? Nandz. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
At 2005-08-24 12:29:51 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of taking potshots at me, could you actually list out such disrespectful behaviour on the mailing list which causes such a less number of women to participate online? Certainly. There have been several instances of such behaviour on this thread, and multiple people have objected to them each time. If you'd bothered to read them instead of trying to handwave them all away, it might have helped you to understand why the woman at your LUG stopped attending. -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
At 2005-08-22 10:30:29 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suggestions about what to do next: a) The talk idea was good - In fact, it needn't be one person coming down to talk on Gender issues on public mailing lists and/or take in perspective of the greater socio/political aspect. After some thought, I'm not at all enthusiastic about another talk or debate or whatever about gender issues and their greater context. What would it accomplish? I can't think of anything useful. No, I think it's imperative that people stop associating the idea of encouraging women to participate with yet-another-talk about how to encourage women to participate. I think we should try instead to figure out whom we can invite to talk about something that doesn't just become a freak sideshow attraction. (I have at least one idea, but I don't want to talk about it until I can ask the person involved.) What are women using Linux for? What interests them? If we talk about those things, then they might be encouraged to participate. c) Changing, or rather adding to the guidelines of the LUG posting methods/rules. Heh. I just noticed that the guidelines say: Be polite [...] No one minds a little sense of humour though. :-) -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 09:47, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: Suggestions about what to do next: No, I think it's imperative that people stop associating the idea of encouraging women to participate with yet-another-talk about how to encourage women to participate. I think we should try instead to figure out whom we can invite to talk about something that doesn't just become a freak sideshow attraction. What are women using Linux for? What interests them? If we talk about those things, then they might be encouraged to participate. Indeed, if I felt that I would be treated as just another human being with an interest in FLOSS, I would feel encouraged- I (or any other woman) would dislike being looked at as the 'freak' who decided to be there... c) Changing, or rather adding to the guidelines of the LUG posting methods/rules. Heh. I just noticed that the guidelines say: Be polite [...] No one minds a little sense of humour though. Also, how about adding a link to the HOW TO ENCOURAGE WOMEN IN LINUX which I sent in my earlier posting? At least that might indicate to members that the list has at least thought about making things woman-friendly. I find it very interesting and telling that when the thread was being general, there were many posts to and fro- defensive and offensive. But after I have requested people to go through the HOW TO- nobody, nobody has responded to that (is it useful? Can they think of applying any of those to the delhi LUG?.) Does it say something about the seriousness of those who said that they want feedback from a woman? That HOW TO is written by a whole lot of women. Hassath ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
Would You guys just drop this f**king thread. If you guys really think this discussion is doing anything useful then you should check the time spent on reading this s**t. Get some life ppl. 1. If you reall want a woman in here f**king stop treating them like woman and treat them like other human beings. 2. If Women really think this is helping please look back, it only makes us think you want special treatment, which you can get this way. once you stop treating yourself as special please look at things at the linux users angle and stop this WASTEAGE OF TIME. There are loads of better things to do then discussing this. On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 09:47, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: Suggestions about what to do next: No, I think it's imperative that people stop associating the idea of encouraging women to participate with yet-another-talk about how to encourage women to participate. I think we should try instead to figure out whom we can invite to talk about something that doesn't just become a freak sideshow attraction. What are women using Linux for? What interests them? If we talk about those things, then they might be encouraged to participate. Indeed, if I felt that I would be treated as just another human being with an interest in FLOSS, I would feel encouraged- I (or any other woman) would dislike being looked at as the 'freak' who decided to be there... c) Changing, or rather adding to the guidelines of the LUG posting methods/rules. Heh. I just noticed that the guidelines say: Be polite [...] No one minds a little sense of humour though. Also, how about adding a link to the HOW TO ENCOURAGE WOMEN IN LINUX which I sent in my earlier posting? At least that might indicate to members that the list has at least thought about making things woman-friendly. I find it very interesting and telling that when the thread was being general, there were many posts to and fro- defensive and offensive. But after I have requested people to go through the HOW TO- nobody, nobody has responded to that (is it useful? Can they think of applying any of those to the delhi LUG?.) Does it say something about the seriousness of those who said that they want feedback from a woman? That HOW TO is written by a whole lot of women. Hassath ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Manpreet Singh Nehra System Administrator Manager eSolutions RD Lab India Pvt. Ltd. Where Excellence Begins - This email was sent using SquirrelMail. Webmail for nuts! http://squirrelmail.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
Manpreet Singh Nehra wrote: Would You guys just drop this f**king thread. I guess we should drop you and your nonsense from this thread. I am not sure what the guidelines are but my guess and vote is that you are beyond limits If you guys really think this discussion is doing anything useful then you should check the time spent on reading this s**t. Get some life ppl. Maybe you need a course on language , public writing and of course sensitisation to issues 1. If you reall want a woman in here f**king stop treating them like woman and treat them like other human beings. 2. If Women really think this is helping please look back, it only makes us think you want special treatment, which you can get this way. once you stop treating yourself as special please look at things at the linux users angle and stop this WASTEAGE OF TIME. There are loads of better things to do then discussing this. On this list there are guys and gals Your starred language is offensive Third maybe women are special thats why delhi has one of the lowest man women ratio. And stop wasting your time on this list it does not need commets and opinions like yours. ram On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 09:47, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: Suggestions about what to do next: No, I think it's imperative that people stop associating the idea of encouraging women to participate with yet-another-talk about how to encourage women to participate. I think we should try instead to figure out whom we can invite to talk about something that doesn't just become a freak sideshow attraction. What are women using Linux for? What interests them? If we talk about those things, then they might be encouraged to participate. Indeed, if I felt that I would be treated as just another human being with an interest in FLOSS, I would feel encouraged- I (or any other woman) would dislike being looked at as the 'freak' who decided to be there... c) Changing, or rather adding to the guidelines of the LUG posting methods/rules. Heh. I just noticed that the guidelines say: Be polite [...] No one minds a little sense of humour though. Also, how about adding a link to the HOW TO ENCOURAGE WOMEN IN LINUX which I sent in my earlier posting? At least that might indicate to members that the list has at least thought about making things woman-friendly. I find it very interesting and telling that when the thread was being general, there were many posts to and fro- defensive and offensive. But after I have requested people to go through the HOW TO- nobody, nobody has responded to that (is it useful? Can they think of applying any of those to the delhi LUG?.) Does it say something about the seriousness of those who said that they want feedback from a woman? That HOW TO is written by a whole lot of women. Hassath ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Manpreet Singh Nehra System Administrator Manager eSolutions RD Lab India Pvt. Ltd. Where Excellence Begins - This email was sent using SquirrelMail. Webmail for nuts! http://squirrelmail.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
Hassath == hassath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hassath [snip] Hassath Indeed, if I felt that I would be treated as just another Hassath human being with an interest in FLOSS, I would feel Hassath encouraged- I (or any other woman) would dislike being Hassath looked at as the 'freak' who decided to be there... c) Changing, or rather adding to the guidelines of the LUG posting methods/rules. Heh. I just noticed that the guidelines say: Be polite [...] No one minds a little sense of humour though. Hassath Also, how about adding a link to the HOW TO ENCOURAGE Hassath WOMEN IN LINUX which I sent in my earlier posting? At Hassath least that might indicate to members that the list has at Hassath least thought about making things woman-friendly. Can do. Hassath I find it very interesting and telling that when the Hassath thread was being general, there were many posts to and Hassath fro- defensive and offensive. But after I have requested Hassath people to go through the HOW TO- nobody, nobody has Hassath responded to that (is it useful? Can they think of Hassath applying any of those to the delhi LUG?.) Does it say Hassath something about the seriousness of those who said that Hassath they want feedback from a woman? That HOW TO is written Hassath by a whole lot of women. There isn't much there that applies to a group as a whole -- it's mostly what individuals can do to encourage women to feel comfortable and participate. Apart from the ``Keep meeting is an accessible location'', there's nothing there that the LUG as a whole can do. ``This document is intended mainly for the male Linux enthusiast who would like to see more women involved in Linux.'' Regards, -- Raju Hassath Hassath -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d - Solution suggestions
At 2005-08-22 10:30:29 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing which we can very clearly disregard is the possibility that the list is not interested. Right. Enough people are interested in solving the problem that rehashing the argument will just give the disinclined more rope to waste everyone's time with. Suggestions about what to do next: [...] But first... To any women on the list who have felt uncomfortable to post or attend meetings: please try again. We can't promise that offensive behaviour will never occur on the list, but it will not be tolerated in silence. Your participation will go a long way towards making the list a better place for everyone. Maybe a small section on avoiding certain phrases/jokes etc which may be offensive to a specific group on the list I don't think it's a good idea to try and prescribe acceptable forms of speech. The intention is to discourage disrespect and hostility, rather than to encourage new ways for its expression. I think the guidelines are OK (at most, they could use some clarification, perhaps). We just need to be careful to avoid complicity-by-apathy. -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
