Re: [ilugd] Debian vs Ubuntu user-friendliness

2007-11-16 Thread Mani A
 Re: Debian vs Ubuntu user-friendliness (Kenneth Gonsalves)

 and it is not even point and click. (I cannot be dead sure because my
 last encounter with the beast was 6.10). But if it *is* point and
 click, I would appreciate it if someone showed be where the GUIs for
 the following tasks are located:

 1. Partitioning the hard disk
use the mouse the install qtparted or gparted.

 2. resizing windows partitions
the above suffices

 3. setting up an adsl connection

it is almost that ... they do not include knetwork by default

 4. setting up and configuring squid
 5. setting up and configuring firewall

install guardog

 6. enabling port forwarding over a firewall
install guidedog too

 7. setting up virtualisation
 8. setting up and managing compiz-fusion
I think this needs a CLI tool. The GUI is formidable


 9. setting up sharing of remote directories over ssh
install something like Kssh or Gssh (?)... for ftp there are many GUIs



Best

A. Mani



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Re: [ilugd] Debian vs Ubuntu user-friendliness

2007-11-16 Thread Kazim Zaidi
On 16/11/2007, Mani A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  8. setting up and managing compiz-fusion
 I think this needs a CLI tool. The GUI is formidable

Best

 A. Mani

An apt-get (or synaptic manager for point-and-click) command does it.
Details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion


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Re: [ilugd] Debian vs Ubuntu user-friendliness

2007-11-16 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 16-Nov-07, at 9:45 PM, Mani A wrote:

 click, I would appreciate it if someone showed be where the GUIs for
 the following tasks are located:

 1. Partitioning the hard disk
 use the mouse the install qtparted or gparted.

 2. resizing windows partitions
 the above suffices

 3. setting up an adsl connection

 it is almost that ... they do not include knetwork by default

 4. setting up and configuring squid
 5. setting up and configuring firewall

 install guardog

 6. enabling port forwarding over a firewall
 install guidedog too

 7. setting up virtualisation
 8. setting up and managing compiz-fusion
 I think this needs a CLI tool. The GUI is formidable


 9. setting up sharing of remote directories over ssh
 install something like Kssh or Gssh (?)... for ftp there are many GUIs

to summarise: ubuntu does not have an inbuilt gui for all these


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Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/




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[ilugd] Debian vs Ubuntu user-friendliness

2007-11-14 Thread pj

 On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:14:32 +0530, Shamail Tayyab
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  
 
  This is what i consider as flame wars.

To which Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Err. I am not sure why you think so -- no one is going around
  attacking other people.

You were certainly dripping with sarcasm though.
Which was returned in kind:

  (does anyone think a
  novice user had a dream the night before he installed debain, to give
  installgui at the boot prompt)

Ubuntu is more point-and-click, but for someone who likes non-bloat, Debian
tends to be cleaner at the CLI level. Probably because Ubuntu is pretty much
a snapshot of unstable Debian with a gui layer on top.

It also means that ubuntu works better with newer stuff much of the time, but
may not work too solidly. Debian on the other hand works less with newer stuff,
but if it works, it tends to work pretty solidly.

Specifically: I'd say etch is more user friendly on older hardware than gutsy.
However ubuntu support structure is pretty damn good, catering to tards in a
way that debian support channels wouldn't consider. 

Your mileage may vary.

PJ



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Re: [ilugd] Debian vs Ubuntu user-friendliness

2007-11-14 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 15-Nov-07, at 10:17 AM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:

 | Ubuntu is more point-and-click
 \--

 ... and just having that is not user-friendliness.

and it is not even point and click. (I cannot be dead sure because my  
last encounter with the beast was 6.10). But if it *is* point and  
click, I would appreciate it if someone showed be where the GUIs for  
the following tasks are located:

1. Partitioning the hard disk
2. resizing windows partitions
3. setting up an adsl connection
4. setting up and configuring squid
5. setting up and configuring firewall
6. enabling port forwarding over a firewall
7. setting up virtualisation
8. setting up and managing compiz-fusion
9. setting up sharing of remote directories over ssh




-- 
regards

Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/




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Re: [ilugd] Debian vs Ubuntu user-friendliness

2007-11-14 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi,

- On 11/14/07, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Ubuntu is more point-and-click
\--

... and just having that is not user-friendliness.

-
| The point I am trying to make is that Debian tries to offer the
|  user choices;
\--

... which is actually what is meant by user-friendliness.

-
| Ubuntu simplifies things by making many choices for
|  you. I hate that.
\--

True. That is why I still prefer, and use Debian.

SK

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