Re: [ilugd] Linux installation in labs
(Oops, forwarding reply sent only to Narendra by mistake) On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 01:22:01 +0530 narendra sisodiya naren...@narendrasisodiya.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: I will not get into this ridiculous (to me) notion that there is good commerce that does not ask for too much. To my mind, commercialisation is a topic largely orthogonal to that of FOSS. NO, a big NO, Commercialization is not orthogonal to FOSS. FOSS only tell about GOOD LICENSE which you should use while creating your software. Thats is. I make software and sell them with GNU-GPL license (not on full time basic , but on special request.) Um, that is what I meant by commercialisation being largely orthogonal to FOSS, i.e., they are different topics, though there might be discussion threads that cover both. Any way let us lay this particular discussion to rest. As Raj mentions, it would be good if there could be some place where people looking for FOSS support can locate people offering such services. Better yet, why not try and pool your resources and work together. If someone wants to spearhead such an effort, I would be glad to help out where I can. PS: All such post will be tagged under [commercial] Cool. Please make no mistake about this: I wish Amar, you, and all others offering FOSS support to make a big success out of it. It would be great to see many such organisations doing this in Delhi, whether on a commercial basis or not. Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Linux installation in labs
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Nishant Prakash Kashyap npkash...@gmail.com wrote: *Freedom Labs provides service support at bare minimum costs.* Now LUG is being used for personal interest Will try to form a Open Source Vendor's Organisation soon :) cool thanks obviously doing business is no crime, but using a forum (which is a kind of NGO) for personal interest ... does it sounds good. I'm ready to provide the service for less than the bare minimum cost . Schools you can mail me also ... Regards, Nishant Thanks Nishant for your kind bar minimum help+, What is your location , Are you in Delhi, Please share your contact number. Iam/weAre dealing with a big set for schools and organisation for which we need to create/search vendors who can provide vendor support like Installation and Maintenance ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Linux installation in labs
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: I will not get into this ridiculous (to me) notion that there is good commerce that does not ask for too much. To my mind, commercialisation is a topic largely orthogonal to that of FOSS. NO, a big NO, Commercialization is not orthogonal to FOSS. FOSS only tell about GOOD LICENSE which you should use while creating your software. Thats is. I make software and sell them with GNU-GPL license (not on full time basic , but on special request.) PS: All such post will be tagged under [commercial] ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Linux installation in labs
On Saturday 19 Jun 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: Thanks Nishant for your kind bar minimum help+, What is your location , Are you in Delhi, Please share your contact number. Iam/weAre dealing with a big set for schools and organisation for which we need to create/search vendors who can provide vendor support like Installation and Maintenance Why don't all you folks who are providing FOSS installation and support in NCR make a page on the Linux-Delhi Wiki and add at least the following pieces of information to it? - Organisation - Number of people - Activities handled (training, installation, support, etc.) - Rates - Clients handled (Govt., commercial, edu, NGO, etc.) - Years of experience - Contact details - Location - Regions handled (Gurgaon, North Delhi, NOIDA, etc.) - Incidental expenses required Then we can start pushing that page as the central NCR Linux support repository, and also maintain focus on the list. I'd suggest a table format, so comparisons and sorting become easy for prospective customers. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Linux installation in labs
Hi, If any institution (school, college or university) wants to have Linux installed on their computers in their labs, then they can contact us. They may also contact us for migrating to Linux Free/Open/Libre Source software. Freedom Labs provides service support at bare minimum costs. Only requirement is that the lab must have a minimum of 10 computers. Feel free to forward to other LUGs or people who may find it of interest. Thanks, Regards, Aveek, Freedom Labs. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Linux installation in labs
A Disclaimer: I am not associated with Freedom Labs-- beyond having personally interacted with Aveek and Narendra-- and assuming positive rather than bad intentions. @Pratul, @Amar, @Nishant, @Nandeep: Instead of criticizing Freedom Labs-- you should first understand their background and motives. They are trying to do what for a lot of school administrators is a big headache-- and if for that they want enough to reimburse their cost of conveyance and media-- then it is ok. Logically they could have also put it as in exchange for tea, biscuits and autorickshaw fare-- but frankly-- I think they did much better to say bare minimum cost-- so that it can be discussed upfront-- rather than a school-principal saying yes, yes, come on tuesday-- and after that they saying but sir... who to contact to re-imburse autorickshaw fare @Pratul: Would you leave your work-- and show up on a tuesday morning at 11:30.. to spend five hours installing linux and doing mundane chores :? @Amar: Let us see you walk away from your work on a tuesday or wednesday-- when you have made committments to your project lead-- and sit and do mundane chores... which most people will find ultra-boring ? would your project lead be ok, watching the deadlines slide ? --- Frankly... if beyond a hobby you guys are willing to leave your full-time work committments-- and do this work in a service oriented way... as per the demands and time schedule of the person you are serving--- then continue your rants. If you dont... then it is better that they say at minimum cost-- rather than say free, except for two cups tea and conveyance reimbursement; because no matter how ugly it sounds... the former implies a professional committment... while the latter implies charity, but also whimsicalness and subject to the other guy's availability and convenience. Regards, Nalin ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Linux installation in labs
Cudn't agree with you more Nalin. I did not know that Freedom Labs is all about sparing time from your work for such noble work. I am yet to be into an organization as an employee, but a student it was not about claiming 2 cups of Tea. It was a mutual understanding. The officers there noticed in earlier stages that we were a bunch of Engineering Students, sacrificing our vacations to get the systems upgraded and Linuxed. So they arranged for us some breakfasts and snacks. For some of my team mates it was about a certificate which would make their CV strong .. For some of us ..it was Linux that drove us . ! But still Nalin, I truly go by your words. No one compromises on streamlined Deadlines ! Thanks and Regards On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: A Disclaimer: I am not associated with Freedom Labs-- beyond having personally interacted with Aveek and Narendra-- and assuming positive rather than bad intentions. @Pratul, @Amar, @Nishant, @Nandeep: Instead of criticizing Freedom Labs-- you should first understand their background and motives. They are trying to do what for a lot of school administrators is a big headache-- and if for that they want enough to reimburse their cost of conveyance and media-- then it is ok. Logically they could have also put it as in exchange for tea, biscuits and autorickshaw fare-- but frankly-- I think they did much better to say bare minimum cost-- so that it can be discussed upfront-- rather than a school-principal saying yes, yes, come on tuesday-- and after that they saying but sir... who to contact to re-imburse autorickshaw fare @Pratul: Would you leave your work-- and show up on a tuesday morning at 11:30.. to spend five hours installing linux and doing mundane chores :? @Amar: Let us see you walk away from your work on a tuesday or wednesday-- when you have made committments to your project lead-- and sit and do mundane chores... which most people will find ultra-boring ? would your project lead be ok, watching the deadlines slide ? --- Frankly... if beyond a hobby you guys are willing to leave your full-time work committments-- and do this work in a service oriented way... as per the demands and time schedule of the person you are serving--- then continue your rants. If you dont... then it is better that they say at minimum cost-- rather than say free, except for two cups tea and conveyance reimbursement; because no matter how ugly it sounds... the former implies a professional committment... while the latter implies charity, but also whimsicalness and subject to the other guy's availability and convenience. Regards, Nalin ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- Amar Akshat Dataflex Corporations Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Linux installation in labs
@Nalin, I have no comments other than positive on Freedom Labs. Kudos to them for spreading FOSS awareness. We really need such support centers in NCR and other places. In fact I have discussed this in private emails with Narendra and few other folks in private. All my mail declared was support to non profits from Sarai and had no intentions to bring them down. I assume you did infer that correctly. If at all it has been taken otherwise, my apologies for not being clear enough. About Pratul, all he did was alert them about the rules of the mailing list. Which is pretty understandable. In fact he did say that there is nothing wrong with what Freedom Labs doing. And despite the following not being addressed to me: Would you leave your work-- and show up on a tuesday morning at 11:30.. to spend five hours installing linux and doing mundane chores :? In fact I just did it today and on countless other occasions. I was out after lunch whole day providing tech support to an NGO on their premises. And yes, I pay auto rickshaw costs myself for all these instances. Now I don't ask anyone else to do the same, but my aim here is to point out that most of the folks addressed in your email did not *hate* Freedom Labs. They merely pointed out the correct rules of posting a commercial email. --- n9986 ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Linux installation in labs
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:54:46 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: A Disclaimer: I am not associated with Freedom Labs-- beyond having personally interacted with Aveek and Narendra-- and assuming positive rather than bad intentions. Um, you seem to make the strangest of connections from posts on this list. I fail to see how you arrived at the conclusion that the people below assumed bad motives on the part of Freedom Labs. @Pratul, @Amar, @Nishant, @Nandeep: Instead of criticizing Freedom Labs-- you should first understand their background and motives. They are trying to do what for a lot of school administrators is a big headache-- and if for that they want enough to reimburse their cost of conveyance and media-- then it is ok. [..] I will not get into this ridiculous (to me) notion that there is good commerce that does not ask for too much. To my mind, commercialisation is a topic largely orthogonal to that of FOSS. Regardless of that argument, a rule that has been pretty well followed on this list is that all posts that are commercial be marked as such, and IMHO, one should err on the side of caution in marking posts as commercial. If you have failed to notice this, most people posting even job opportunities mark these as commercial. Amar, this is in no way a slam against Narendra, Freedom labs, or yourself. It is even understandable that someone might forget to mark a commercial post as such once in a while. But, please do that in the future. Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
