Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 12:32 +0530, rahul wrote: This is shocking. What promises are we talking about here? we offered everything that was minuted in the minutes of the meeting? [...] Well, I am glad that you are shocked, because so were we. We were promised complete participation in choosing speakers for the technical track, and were met with a fait accompli list of speakers that was circulated without input from our side. I must say that your follow-up letter was much nicer, and had much more room for cooperation, but the original style of functioning in choosing speakers left a bad taste, and an apprehension that ILUG-Delhi was just being pulled in to give a community stamp to an already choreographed event. For the record, I was originally very much in favour of participating in LA2007, but became one of the most vociferous opponents after the fiasco with the speakers. The goal of cooperation is not irretrievably lost, in my opinion, but there needs to be a lot more openness from the side of LFY, and a lot more ongoing collaboration with the LUG, rather than only when Linux Asia rolls around. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
But... we had explained that the list we had sent to you were names of people who we had contacted to: 1. ask them if they were interested to speak at LinuxAsia 2. inform them that if they were intrested, they were to share their topics and titles of possible presentations, which we would then have reviewed with the entire panel the only exceptions were 5-6 speakers (ex: the president) who were directly invited, because they were to speak on day 1--i.e. the day that was directly under our control. and once we did this exercise, we sent the list to ILUG-D to keep it updated, so that there was no duplication in efforts. please do let us know what was incorrect in this approach. regards rahul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gora Mohanty Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:04 PM To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list' Subject: Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 12:32 +0530, rahul wrote: This is shocking. What promises are we talking about here? we offered everything that was minuted in the minutes of the meeting? [...] Well, I am glad that you are shocked, because so were we. We were promised complete participation in choosing speakers for the technical track, and were met with a fait accompli list of speakers that was circulated without input from our side. I must say that your follow-up letter was much nicer, and had much more room for cooperation, but the original style of functioning in choosing speakers left a bad taste, and an apprehension that ILUG-Delhi was just being pulled in to give a community stamp to an already choreographed event. For the record, I was originally very much in favour of participating in LA2007, but became one of the most vociferous opponents after the fiasco with the speakers. The goal of cooperation is not irretrievably lost, in my opinion, but there needs to be a lot more openness from the side of LFY, and a lot more ongoing collaboration with the LUG, rather than only when Linux Asia rolls around. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 15:27 +0530, rahul wrote: But... we had explained that the list we had sent to you were names of people who we had contacted to: 1. ask them if they were interested to speak at LinuxAsia 2. inform them that if they were intrested, they were to share their topics and titles of possible presentations, which we would then have reviewed with the entire panel the only exceptions were 5-6 speakers (ex: the president) who were directly invited, because they were to speak on day 1--i.e. the day that was directly under our control. and once we did this exercise, we sent the list to ILUG-D to keep it updated, so that there was no duplication in efforts. please do let us know what was incorrect in this approach. [...] Hmm, that was not my impression at all, neither from the people on the ILUG-Delhi that the list was sent to (I only saw it second-hand), nor from other people outside ILUG-Delhi. For example, I talked with people from the NRCF, who also viewed the list as a finalised one. Also, by the time the list was being circulated, it was already rather close to the LA2007 dates. Rather than go on and on about you said this, and I said that, if there was a genuine mis-communication, let us take it up off-line, but, at least for the moment, I stand by what I said. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
and...i am so sorry for not commenting on the last parawhich is very supporting... I will certainly try and attend the next LUG meeting, and understand how we can make a more transparent system the next time. plus collaborate more with the LUG. Have already started sharing advice on the LUG (after Sandip's tip) :-) will defi try to be more active regards rahul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gora Mohanty Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:04 PM To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list' Subject: Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 12:32 +0530, rahul wrote: This is shocking. What promises are we talking about here? we offered everything that was minuted in the minutes of the meeting? [...] Well, I am glad that you are shocked, because so were we. We were promised complete participation in choosing speakers for the technical track, and were met with a fait accompli list of speakers that was circulated without input from our side. I must say that your follow-up letter was much nicer, and had much more room for cooperation, but the original style of functioning in choosing speakers left a bad taste, and an apprehension that ILUG-Delhi was just being pulled in to give a community stamp to an already choreographed event. For the record, I was originally very much in favour of participating in LA2007, but became one of the most vociferous opponents after the fiasco with the speakers. The goal of cooperation is not irretrievably lost, in my opinion, but there needs to be a lot more openness from the side of LFY, and a lot more ongoing collaboration with the LUG, rather than only when Linux Asia rolls around. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
On 02-Feb-07, at 4:03 PM, rahul wrote: will defi try to be more active and please try not to top post also - it is really messing up the threads -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
in infinite wisdom Gora Mohanty spoke thus On 02/02/2007 12:25 PM: o Some features of the first issue could be: - Developer corner. - An article from a hacker. - New products from Sourceforge, and other online repositories. - Smaller LUGs in India. - List of scholarships in FOSS areas. - FOSS project of the month: How to take part in it. Another addition - a summary of interesting threads from the mailing list. -- raj shekhar facts: http://rajshekhar.net | opinions: http://rajshekhar.net/blog I dare do all that may become a man; Who dares do more is none. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
This is shocking. What promises are we talking about here? we offered everything that was minuted in the minutes of the meeting? Rahul Member, FOSII and Editor, LINUX For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gora Mohanty Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:25 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th Hello, Here are the minutes of the last meeting, which was held on Jan. 28th, at the JNU Bio-Informatics Centre. My apologies for the delay in posting these: 0. There was a decent level of attendance, with a total of about 14 people present. 1. The first item discussed was to clarify to all present the reason for the decision not to participate in Linux-Asia, 2007. This had little to do with the commercial aspects of LA2007, though some people did express their reservations in this regard. In the end, the main reason was that LA2007 organisers had not lived up to the promises that had been made to get ILUG-Delhi to participate. It was also decided not to accept the official free passes offered to ILUG- Delhi, as that could be seen as an endorsement of LA2007. Of course, LUG members are free to participate as individuals. 2. Interest was expressed in the recent postings on the list from Amit Kapre, proposing an open-source cooperative. We have been kicking a similar idea around for some time, but it has always foundered on the question of how do you ensure commitment from LUG members, and whether this was something that fit into the goals of ILUG-Delhi. It was decided not to propose an official participation from ILUG-Delhi, though several members expressed interest in following through with OSC on an individual basis. 3. Atul Jha presented his ideas about an e-zine, which have also been discussed on this mailing list. Here is an outline of his initial ideas about what the e-zine would contain: o Easy ways for newcomers to get into Linux. All information under this would be made available in one place. o Provide a common forum for all LUGs in India, especially targetting LUGs in smaller cities, which might not have an easy way to put up a site of their own. o Provide a list of internships, fellowships, etc., in the open- source world so as to allow students and newcomers a way to financially support themselves. o Some features of the first issue could be: - Developer corner. - An article from a hacker. - New products from Sourceforge, and other online repositories. - Smaller LUGs in India. - List of scholarships in FOSS areas. - FOSS project of the month: How to take part in it. A lively discussion on this ensued. Questions were asked about how to gather all this information, would other LUGs be interested, and whom the magazine was aimed at. It was felt that evangelical content, and attracting new users to the FOSS world should be important parts of the e-zine. The sustainability of the project was also brought into question, and it was felt that a detailed project plan, including a list of volunteers, was essential. Finally, it was agreed that this be taken up as a prototype ILUG-Delhi project, with a more formal sanction once it gets off the ground. The following action items are planned: o Raj Mathur: Provide domain ezine.linux-delhi.org (DONE). o Sudev Barar: Set up Drupal at this domain (DONE). o Anand Shanker, and Gora Mohanty were volunteered as editors. We now have admin. access to the site, and can add users, with Atul's agreement. o Atul Jha to come up with a project plan, with an initial draft circulated for comments. The project plan should include: - Broad areas covered, along the lines outlined above. - People participating in the project, their roles, and the amount of time committed, so as to ensure sustainability. - Target audience for the e-zine. How to circulate it, and make sure that there is interest in it. 4. Finally, Gora Mohanty made a presentation about easy ways to write code that could be used from multiple programming languages, and about how to write cross-platform GUIs. In this context, an example of the development and testing of a Hindi spellchecker, built around the open-source aspell engine, was presented. SWIG, Mono.NET, C#, and GTK were the open-source tools covered in the presentation. There was a fair amount of interest, including in the Hindi spellchecker, and it was suggested that this project be written up in the e-zine. I will make a copy of the presentation available online. 5. The next meeting will be held around mid-February, hopefully at NSIT, Dwarka, which apparently has a strong Linux user base. Please send me items for the agenda. I would
