Re: [ilugd] Re: System Administrator(level 1) -Urgent

2004-10-26 Thread Dhruv Soi
System Administration is not a revenue generating department. whatever new
setup any system admin makes, whatever process he introduce in the company
Management will always take that as a part of his day to day job. On the
other part if a person is into ASIC/FPGA/Programming, one good shot can
generate huge revenues for the company and then its obvious that Management
would like to provide a part of revenue to that genius programmer, to keep
him on the board.

What i have realized is that, System Administrator can also find exponential
graph but this graph grows with over all graph of the company. All and all,
programmers/designers grows with growth of any particular project coz that
depends on feedback of client. And System administrator can only grow when
company is growing big, no client feedback, nothing.

A 100 employee company can pay around 20K-25K to newly hired technically
sound system administrator but can't afford to provide him exponential
growth until and unless company can grow to 500-700 in 1-byres duration.

In revenue generating department an employee can find growth, on delivery of
a project, good feedback from client and if client is willing to provide
another project to same team.

Now a days there is a new hurdle for System Administrator. Majority of Big
companies are outsourcing their System/Network/Security departments. Causing
involvment of third party and again taking down the salary package.
Companies like Wipro Spectramind, American Express etc are paying huge
amount to their Vendors for outsourcing but on the other end these Vendor
companies are paying peanuts to System Administrators

Was reading an article in some business magazine, where it was stated that
after 2010 we will find almost 90% companies will outsource their system
admin department to third party vendors.

At the same time the freedom that System Administrator can enjoy, no-one
else can have that luxury.

*Conditions Apply.:-)

Thanks
Dhruv

- Original Message - 
From: "anil bindal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Re: System Administrator(level 1) -Urgent


> can someone define ..following.
>
>  administrators.
> Not a low paid job at all !>
>
> What is this worth ?? Is this anything different from following ??( what
> i am doing ..)
>
> An administrator who takes care of all WAN/ Managed Switched LAN,In
> house DNS,  Router based Firewalls,Router based IP accounting, Internet
> Traffic monitoring thru MRTG,  Linux- sendmail, Antispam on Sendmail and
> on SMTP Gateway, anti virus, Squid proxy with authentication, logging
> and web based reporting, CISCO VPN , Linux Intranet with search
> facility; Solaris - ASIC design tools with solaris, linux and windows
> client environment; Solaris - NIS, NFS with automount, ASIC tools on
> Linux servers, VSS, CVS, Web email thru squirrelmail, Majordomo lists
> and management by users using majorcool web interface, Linux IMAP, LDAP,
> back up and DR plans implementation..
> not to mention the routine SA jobs.. user management.. etc..
>
> What could be the worth of such a person with above skills after 5 years
> ??
>
> Reason why i am asking is that before i switched to SA 5 years back from
> hardware board design.. my career graph was exponential and it just got
> flat since 5 years.. when i entered SA 5 years back.. i did not know
> what an NT system was.. and 2 years back i had no idea of linux..but
> still could implement above..
>
> now do not advise me to change the company..i would have done that long
> back if i wanted..
>
> and the people who i was guiding 5 years back in hardware designing have
> tripled their salaries in ASIC/ embeded..and are one position above my
> level in SA.. and now i am thinking of going back to ASIC now..
>
> i am telling all this in support of my belief that there is much more
> money in technology development than in SA..at least that is what the
> management says..
>
> any comments ??
>
>
> On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 22:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> >
> > However, if we count people who are worthy of being called
administrators.
> > Not a low paid job at all !
> >
> > HR is this country needs to go through a compulsory administrator
practice
> > before things improve here. ;o)
> >
> > Unless the HR realizes the pain involved in attending a complaint, that
was
> > created because..."taar nikal gayee hai, jhuka nahin jaa raha"they
wont
> > realize what an administrator goes through. Until then, job will remain
low
> > paying.
> >
> >
> > -Amit.
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
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Re: [ilugd] Re: System Administrator(level 1) -Urgent

2004-10-26 Thread anil bindal
can someone define ..following.



What is this worth ?? Is this anything different from following ??( what
i am doing ..)

An administrator who takes care of all WAN/ Managed Switched LAN,In
house DNS,  Router based Firewalls,Router based IP accounting, Internet
Traffic monitoring thru MRTG,  Linux- sendmail, Antispam on Sendmail and
on SMTP Gateway, anti virus, Squid proxy with authentication, logging
and web based reporting, CISCO VPN , Linux Intranet with search
facility; Solaris - ASIC design tools with solaris, linux and windows
client environment; Solaris - NIS, NFS with automount, ASIC tools on
Linux servers, VSS, CVS, Web email thru squirrelmail, Majordomo lists
and management by users using majorcool web interface, Linux IMAP, LDAP,
back up and DR plans implementation..
not to mention the routine SA jobs.. user management.. etc..

What could be the worth of such a person with above skills after 5 years
??

Reason why i am asking is that before i switched to SA 5 years back from
hardware board design.. my career graph was exponential and it just got
flat since 5 years.. when i entered SA 5 years back.. i did not know
what an NT system was.. and 2 years back i had no idea of linux..but
still could implement above..

now do not advise me to change the company..i would have done that long
back if i wanted..

and the people who i was guiding 5 years back in hardware designing have
tripled their salaries in ASIC/ embeded..and are one position above my
level in SA.. and now i am thinking of going back to ASIC now..

i am telling all this in support of my belief that there is much more
money in technology development than in SA..at least that is what the
management says..

any comments ??


On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 22:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> 
> However, if we count people who are worthy of being called administrators. 
> Not a low paid job at all !
> 
> HR is this country needs to go through a compulsory administrator practice 
> before things improve here. ;o)
> 
> Unless the HR realizes the pain involved in attending a complaint, that was 
> created because..."taar nikal gayee hai, jhuka nahin jaa raha"they wont 
> realize what an administrator goes through. Until then, job will remain low 
> paying.
> 
> 
> -Amit.
> 
> 
> 
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Regards,

Anil Bindal

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[ilugd] Re: System Administrator(level 1) -Urgent

2004-10-26 Thread amitsoni

With IIT degree in Com. Science, there could be better things to do than

be in Sys Admin. It is a thankless , low paid job.

thankless true
I disagree. Depends on how good the previous administrator was.
In general, all maintainace(back bone) work can be called thankless. 
Primarily because interaction between the prospectivce thanks givers and the 
maintainers happens ONLY when something goes wrong with the back bone.

However, a good administartor who has recently replaced a bad administrator 
is likely to receive maximum "thank you's". Life is good for such a 
administrator for a few months. I highly recommend a change of company after 
that ! ;o)

low paid not true
Low paid a low level. Again because every who knows how to share an internet 
connection, install a firewall, create new users calls himself/herself an 
administrator. Result is numerous so called administrators. If we count them 
in, yes its a low paying job.

However, if we count people who are worthy of being called administrators. 
Not a low paid job at all !

HR is this country needs to go through a compulsory administrator practice 
before things improve here. ;o)

Unless the HR realizes the pain involved in attending a complaint, that was 
created because..."taar nikal gayee hai, jhuka nahin jaa raha"they wont 
realize what an administrator goes through. Until then, job will remain low 
paying.

-Amit.

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