RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
Thanks for the input, Raj. I have added a row-item for AntiVirus I have also added opengroupware.org as the OSS. I am reluctant to add spam software as I consider the technology almost commoditised and all work (or do not work) to the same extent giving user very little option to change OS (or license) for this reason. Tarun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raj Mathur Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:41 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarun == Tarun Upadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tarun Okay I will spam you guys one last time. Hopefully, it work Tarun now. Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs. Tarun I created (to the best of my knowledge) how software stack Tarun in enterprise (defined as companies with greater than 200 Tarun employees) space looks like between Microsoft and OSS Tarun products. Tarun http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/esoftstack.html Tarun Just for the fun sake, I also included the leading Tarun commercial UNIX offerings that are comparable. I have made Tarun blue whatever product out of three I think is the leader Tarun (at least in the world of PHB). Tarun I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is Tarun on): A) any services/features/products that I might have Tarun missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of Tarun enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually Tarun incorrect in the sheet. Network management: I'd add Nagios to the list, one of the best network monitoring tools I've seen. Please add anti-virus. It should probably be up there after the Kernel/Base OS :) On Linux you can use ClamAV, presumably Winduhs has anti-virus tools too ;) Spam control: SpamAssassin on Linux Collaboration: opengroupware.org - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F All your domain are belong to us. It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard http://www.gnupg.org/ iD8DBQE/ekXbyWjQ78xo0X8RAsIHAKCWha9zlfahqzDt+JIN8XdlE75YOACfY2B0 gCZDMdMuPIOsYbQA/PF8cCY= =E5D8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
Ooops. Forgot to attach the list. Here it comes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tarun Dua Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:57 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ? On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote: Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs. I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way. I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on): A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet. The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun Dua http://www.tarundua.net ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems
I've I've just witnessed a hot debate in the ILUG Bombay mailing list about whether HTML mail should be banned. I protested, saying that some kinds of formatted text simply cannot be read unless you allow formats other than plain text. Most others didn't agree; they appeared to be purists who wanted only plain text. Your (very useful, incidentally) table is a clear example of something which needs a MIME type other than text/plain. I simply cannot make head or tail of your table, because the lines are wrapping badly. And this list will not allow attachments, and probably will not allow non-text messages too. If you have a copy in HTML or spreadsheet format, can you please send it to me directly by email? rant When the going gets tough, the only way out seems to be to find workarounds around all those well-meaning standards, norms and rules. For instance, I have a Windows partition with MS Office 2000 on my laptop. Can't do without it when it comes to handing over a presentation at a black-suited apex-level corporate conference... OOo simply doesn't generate PPTs compatible enough, and PDF presentations (done using the excellent pdfscreen package in LaTeX) are too plain looking for some audiences. Finally, no one gives you anything because you followed standards, they only appreciate your work if you get the job done. Sigh... /rant :) Shuvam On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Tarun Upadhyay wrote: All right. All right. I figured out the hard way that I cannot send attachments to the list. So here it is as inline text. Microsoft OSS Commercial Unix Kernel / Base OS Windows 2003 Linux, BSD AIX, Solaris Authentication and Authorization,SSO Active Directory OpenLDAP NDS, sunOne File Services -volume management Volume Manager LVM VeritasManager -distributed DFSSamba, NFS (Client mode) NFS, AFS Database SQL Server Postgres, mysql Oracle Network Services -VPN, FirewallingPPTP, ICF, ISA PPP, S/WAN, iptables Checkpoint -Routing, WANRAS, ICS iproute2 cisco routers -DNS Active Directory bind ? -MailExchange Sendmail, Qmail sunOne messaging +HTTP Services -Application Server IIS, MSMQ, COM+Tomcat, Jboss, Apache Weblogic,MQSeries -Proxy Server ISASquid iPlanet ? -Content Management, PortalsCMSWiki? Plum Tree Application Frameworks .NET J2EE J2EE Network Management SMS,MOMOpenNMS Tivoli, OpenView CollaborationExchange + Outlook ? Domino Business Integration BizTalk? WebMethods,Vitria Let me know your opinions please. Thanks Tarun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tarun Upadhyay Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:31 PM To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list' Subject: RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ? Ooops. Forgot to attach the list. Here it comes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tarun Dua Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:57 AM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ? On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote: Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs. I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way. I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on): A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet. The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun Dua http://www.tarundua.net ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems
I fully agree with you Shuvam. Incidently, I call people who still insist on using 10yr old technology when new (and sometimes tools are available as not purists but just old. This phenomenon outside technical realm is typically termed as generation gap ;-) In any case, I have done what I should have done in the first place. The websheet is now currently available from my website at : http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/Enterprise%20Software%20Stack%20acr oss%20operating%20Systems.html (I know somebody is going to balk at the long name - but you are not supposed to type it, dude) I invite people to: A) suggest any services I might have missed (I am sure there are many) which are widely (defined as 25%) used by enterprise organizations (defined as 200 employees) B) I have marked in blue what I think are best product by PHB-definition. Please point out any errors there as well. (hint: don't just scream your dearling product is the best just because you are in love with it or it has X feature that no other product has. Consider what will *your PHB boss buy if he has no technical advise available and infinite money (for software, not hardware) ). In general, the idea is to find out where is OSS behind the other commerical alternatives in providing a complete IT services stack to a medium (or large) sized enterprise. So, once, we got this list to near completion and accuracy - the next step would be to look at what are the essential features missing in today's OSS-stack. Thanks Tarun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shuvam Misra Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:15 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems I've I've just witnessed a hot debate in the ILUG Bombay mailing list about whether HTML mail should be banned. I protested, saying that some kinds of formatted text simply cannot be read unless you allow formats other than plain text. Most others didn't agree; they appeared to be purists who wanted only plain text. Your (very useful, incidentally) table is a clear example of something which needs a MIME type other than text/plain. I simply cannot make head or tail of your table, because the lines are wrapping badly. And this list will not allow attachments, and probably will not allow non-text messages too. If you have a copy in HTML or spreadsheet format, can you please send it to me directly by email? rant When the going gets tough, the only way out seems to be to find workarounds around all those well-meaning standards, norms and rules. For instance, I have a Windows partition with MS Office 2000 on my laptop. Can't do without it when it comes to handing over a presentation at a black-suited apex-level corporate conference... OOo simply doesn't generate PPTs compatible enough, and PDF presentations (done using the excellent pdfscreen package in LaTeX) are too plain looking for some audiences. Finally, no one gives you anything because you followed standards, they only appreciate your work if you get the job done. Sigh... /rant :) Shuvam On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Tarun Upadhyay wrote: All right. All right. I figured out the hard way that I cannot send attachments to the list. So here it is as inline text. Microsoft OSS Commercial Unix Kernel / Base OS Windows 2003 Linux, BSD AIX, Solaris Authentication and Authorization,SSO Active Directory OpenLDAP NDS, sunOne File Services -volume management Volume Manager LVM VeritasManager -distributed DFSSamba, NFS (Client mode) NFS, AFS Database SQL Server Postgres, mysql Oracle Network Services -VPN, FirewallingPPTP, ICF, ISA PPP, S/WAN, iptables Checkpoint -Routing, WANRAS, ICS iproute2 cisco routers -DNS Active Directory bind ? -MailExchange Sendmail, Qmail sunOne messaging +HTTP Services -Application Server IIS, MSMQ, COM+Tomcat, Jboss, Apache Weblogic,MQSeries -Proxy Server ISASquid iPlanet ? -Content Management, PortalsCMSWiki? Plum Tree Application Frameworks .NET J2EE J2EE Network Management SMS,MOMOpenNMS Tivoli, OpenView CollaborationExchange + Outlook ? Domino Business Integration BizTalk? WebMethods,Vitria Let me know your opinions please. Thanks Tarun -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tarun Upadhyay Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:31 PM To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list' Subject: RE: [ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarun == Tarun Upadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tarun Okay I will spam you guys one last time. Hopefully, it work Tarun now. Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs. Tarun I created (to the best of my knowledge) how software stack Tarun in enterprise (defined as companies with greater than 200 Tarun employees) space looks like between Microsoft and OSS Tarun products. Tarun http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/esoftstack.html Tarun Just for the fun sake, I also included the leading Tarun commercial UNIX offerings that are comparable. I have made Tarun blue whatever product out of three I think is the leader Tarun (at least in the world of PHB). Tarun I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is Tarun on): A) any services/features/products that I might have Tarun missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of Tarun enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually Tarun incorrect in the sheet. Network management: I'd add Nagios to the list, one of the best network monitoring tools I've seen. Please add anti-virus. It should probably be up there after the Kernel/Base OS :) On Linux you can use ClamAV, presumably Winduhs has anti-virus tools too ;) Spam control: SpamAssassin on Linux Collaboration: opengroupware.org - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F All your domain are belong to us. It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard http://www.gnupg.org/ iD8DBQE/ekXbyWjQ78xo0X8RAsIHAKCWha9zlfahqzDt+JIN8XdlE75YOACfY2B0 gCZDMdMuPIOsYbQA/PF8cCY= =E5D8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
Tarun == Tarun Upadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tarun Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs. I created (to the best of Tarun my knowledge) how software stack in enterprise (defined as Tarun companies with greater than 200 employees) space looks like Tarun between Microsoft and OSS products. Tarun Just for the fun sake, I also included the leading Tarun commercial UNIX offerings that are comparable. I have made Tarun blue whatever product out of three I think is the leader Tarun (at least in the world of PHB). Tarun I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is Tarun on): A) any services/features/products that I might have Tarun missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of Tarun enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually Tarun incorrect in the sheet. ...and the sheet is at? -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F All your domain are belong to us. It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote: Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs. I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way. I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on): A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet. The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun Dua http://www.tarundua.net ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
