Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
in infinite wisdom Dinesh Shah spoke thus On 04/13/2008 09:55 PM: What the kernel version has to do with running a program? It is the libraries that matter while running any binary. Some posters here has already asked the OP to run ldd and find the library dependencies. There might be subtle dependency problems/bugs. If you can gurantee the same version of kernel and libraries in you integeration (or test) and production boxes, it will help your sanity. -- raj shekhar facts: http://rajshekhar.net | opinions: http://rajshekhar.net/blog Yoda of Borg are we: Futile is resistance. Assimilate you, we will 'Borg? Sounds Swedish.' - Lily, Star Trek First Contact ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: did you get the RHEL3 one working on Fedora 8 ? Yes I did get the application running on Fedora 8 and the user tested the application for basic functionalities. I have not heard back from the company and I believe they will contact me if they run into any difficulties. Anoop -- http://www.zyxware.com http://www.thondomraughts.com Be the change you wish to see in the world, M. K. Gandhi ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Anoop John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: did you get the RHEL3 one working on Fedora 8 ? Yes I did get the application running on Fedora 8 and the user tested the application for basic functionalities. I have not heard back from the company and I believe they will contact me if they run into any difficulties. Anoop Just for my knowledge, did it work just like that or there was something you did to get it working ? Vikas ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
in infinite wisdom Anoop John spoke thus On 04/11/2008 10:33 AM: I had a request recently from a firm in Trivandrum to try to set up their software (Altair Hyperworks) on RHEL 3. Centos is the closest relative to rhel, not fedora. I suggest using centos3 and installing the app on it. -- raj shekhar facts: http://rajshekhar.net | opinions: http://rajshekhar.net/blog Yoda of Borg are we: Futile is resistance. Assimilate you, we will 'Borg? Sounds Swedish.' - Lily, Star Trek First Contact ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in infinite wisdom Anoop John spoke thus On 04/11/2008 10:33 AM: I had a request recently from a firm in Trivandrum to try to set up their software (Altair Hyperworks) on RHEL 3. Centos is the closest relative to rhel, not fedora. I suggest using centos3 and installing the app on it. I guess RHEL 3 is kernel 2.4.X whereas RHEL 4 is 2.6.X. Don't know how a binary from 2.4 will run just like that on 2.6; if you have source you can definitely port it to 2.6. So in this case Centos 3 would be the best alternative, as suggested by Raj (Shekhar). And coming back to your original question: So the question is, if a software (binary) works on a given distro, would it work on other distros too? If there are dependancies will we be able to figure them out without having access to the source? ldd helps you in finding the shared library dependencies but what happens to the dependency on some other files whose location varies from ditro to distro? This is the question just came to my mind and not sure whether there are some configuration files (or other files) whose location differ from distro to distro and are used by some applications. So, anybody, any pointers ? Vikas ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
Dear Vikas, On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Vikas Upadhyay wrote: Centos is the closest relative to rhel, not fedora. I suggest using centos3 and installing the app on it. I guess RHEL 3 is kernel 2.4.X whereas RHEL 4 is 2.6.X. Don't know how a binary from 2.4 will run just like that on 2.6; if you have source you can definitely port it to 2.6. So in this case Centos 3 would be the best alternative, as suggested by Raj (Shekhar). What the kernel version has to do with running a program? It is the libraries that matter while running any binary. Some posters here has already asked the OP to run ldd and find the library dependencies. And coming back to your original question: So the question is, if a software (binary) works on a given distro, would it work on other distros too? If there are dependancies will we be able to figure them out without having access to the source? ldd helps you in finding the shared library dependencies but what happens to the dependency on some other files whose location varies from ditro to distro? This is the question just came to my mind and not sure whether there are some configuration files (or other files) whose location differ from distro to distro and are used by some applications. So, anybody, any pointers ? If you have a distro and your program which is LSB compliant you will not see much problems. Vikas HTH With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 +91-92113-61617 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
Anoop John wrote: I had a request recently from a firm in Trivandrum to try to set up their software (Altair Hyperworks) on RHEL 3. I took fedora, assuming that if it worked on RHEL it would on fedora too, and with some minor tweaks in the installation script I was able to set it up on Fedora 8. https://www.redhat.com/apps/isv_catalog/AppProfile.html?application_id=4345 is does appear to be listed for RHEL4 as well - did you get the RHEL3 one working on Fedora 8 ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
Dinesh Shah wrote: What the kernel version has to do with running a program? It is the libraries that matter while running any binary. Some posters here has already asked the OP to run ldd and find the library dependencies. there are a few applications which do require specific kernel versions. admittedly these are few, but these are from large ISVs as well. If you have a distro and your program which is LSB compliant you will not see much problems. the configuration files may or may not be a problem, but there have been cases of applications not just working across RHEL3.x and RHEL4.x because of features included in the later version. a very rudimentary example could be applications assuming lower resistance from SELinux in RHEL5.x compared to RHEL4.x and failing in execution. at the end of the day, the runnability of the application is something that is a function of the ISV development process which in turn also influences the OS development -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
Harish Pillay wrote: If you have a distro and your program which is LSB compliant you will not see much problems. Yes, that is what LSB has helped achieve. not completely though. the LSB Application Testing suite checks for symbol usage across what can be called the highest common factor ie hugely generic across distributions. there are still distribution specific symbols (among other things) that applications can and do use and hence require rebuilds across distributions -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Binary Compatibility between distros
From: Anoop John [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are dependancies will we be able to figure them out without having access to the source? Hi, I've found that a man's best friend in such cases is the ldd command. once you have installed this software, you could run ldd against the binary. It would tell you what libraries are missing. as an example (output is the binary):- $ldd output linux-gate.so.1 = (0xe000) libX11.so.6 = /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb7e26000) libXi.so.6 = /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 (0xb7e1e000) libXmu.so.6 = /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0xb7e08000) libGL.so.1 = /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (0xb7d67000) libGLU.so.1 = /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 (0xb7ce7000) libtiff.so.4 = /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4 (0xb7c95000) libglut.so.3 = /usr/lib/libglut.so.3 (0xb7c63000) libstdc++.so.6 = /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb7b79000) libm.so.6 = /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm.so.6 (0xb7b52000) libgcc_s.so.1 = /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb7b45000) libc.so.6 = /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7a04000) libXau.so.6 = /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0xb7a01000) libXdmcp.so.6 = /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xb79fc000) libdl.so.2 = /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb79f8000) libXext.so.6 = /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb79ea000) libXt.so.6 = /usr/lib/libXt.so.6 (0xb7998000) libSM.so.6 = /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0xb798f000) libICE.so.6 = /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0xb7977000) libpthread.so.0 = /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0xb796) libjpeg.so.62 = /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 (0xb7941000) libz.so.1 = /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0xb792c000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f2a000) Regards, Shiv Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. To know how, go to http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
