Re: Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions
On Oct 24, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Bill Spencer mailto:wspen...@jhu.edu>> wrote: I'm pretty sure my Mini is a later 2014 version; I got it from the Apple store online (as a refurb) in spring 2015. Yeah then it probably is. So is mine which I got *new* [sob] from the Apple Store in July of 2018. yes, mere months before the exponentially improved and more capable models were released. For grins and giggles I looked up what Apple would give me as a trade-in for it: $143. Now THAT’S Depreciation! $750 to $143 in three months. I didn’t really have a choice though, my old one had died, so I was kinda stuck. Had I *known* the new ones were coming I’d have figured out how to hold off and wait, but you know Apple, they love them some surprises :-/ I felt like the Library here at the U, back in the day, when they bought a room-full of Mac IIVi’s to refresh their computer labs… -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/1375B747-13BC-4E3B-A05D-61610C12E350%40pharmacy.arizona.edu.
Re: Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions
On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 12:07:53 PM UTC-4, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: > > > > On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Bill Spencer > > wrote: > > >>- >>Will my classic iPod (the last model they made) still work with >>Catalina and the replacement for iTunes? >> >> >> No idea, but if it works with iTunes in OS X 10.14, I expect it might. >> I’d definitely do some research first! >> > > > I found this info yesterday: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210611 No > mention of what models are supported. > > >> >>- I back up iTunes (& everything else) to another separate, external >>partitioned HD using Carbon Copy Cloner because I have been under the >>impression that Time Machine can't handle the separate HD for iTunes, >>though I forget why that’s the case >> >> >> ISTR Time Machine can only back up HFS+ or APD volumes, so if it’s a >> MS-DOS volume it won’t work. >> > > The backup drive isn't MS-DOS so on that score it should be okay. But I > have a dim memory that because the backup is partitioned (one for the HD, > one for the iTunes drive) Time Machine wouldn't work...something about > having to select the "drive" at the time of backup, but again it's been > quite a while so I'm not sure. > > > This is older info https://www.baligu.com/pondini/TM/32.html and this is > newer but is the same instructions, so I”ll bet it works: > https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html > This looks good, thanks. I'll check when I get home. > > Also if your Mini is a 2012 model it has an additional SATA connector on > the logic board to support the server configuration Apple sold; you can get > this from OWC to install a second drive. > https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DIDIMM11D2/ I did this on my old > 2011 model to make a DIY Fusion drive with a 1TB HDD and a 128GB SSD. > Worked great until the HDD went south. > > Sadly (and infuriatingly), while the pads are present on the logic board > in a 2014 to host a socket for the PCIe SSD’s such as used in Macbook Air’s > , the socket itself is missing :-( so on a 2014 you’re limited to a single > drive. > I'm pretty sure my Mini is a later 2014 version; I got it from the Apple store online (as a refurb) in spring 2015. > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/2c6b945c-7d21-4994-b104-3abe111ba314%40googlegroups.com.
Re: Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions
On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Bill Spencer mailto:wspen...@jhu.edu>> wrote: * Will my classic iPod (the last model they made) still work with Catalina and the replacement for iTunes? No idea, but if it works with iTunes in OS X 10.14, I expect it might. I’d definitely do some research first! I found this info yesterday: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210611 No mention of what models are supported. * I back up iTunes (& everything else) to another separate, external partitioned HD using Carbon Copy Cloner because I have been under the impression that Time Machine can't handle the separate HD for iTunes, though I forget why that’s the case ISTR Time Machine can only back up HFS+ or APD volumes, so if it’s a MS-DOS volume it won’t work. The backup drive isn't MS-DOS so on that score it should be okay. But I have a dim memory that because the backup is partitioned (one for the HD, one for the iTunes drive) Time Machine wouldn't work...something about having to select the "drive" at the time of backup, but again it's been quite a while so I'm not sure. This is older info https://www.baligu.com/pondini/TM/32.html and this is newer but is the same instructions, so I”ll bet it works: https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html Also if your Mini is a 2012 model it has an additional SATA connector on the logic board to support the server configuration Apple sold; you can get this from OWC to install a second drive. https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DIDIMM11D2/ I did this on my old 2011 model to make a DIY Fusion drive with a 1TB HDD and a 128GB SSD. Worked great until the HDD went south. Sadly (and infuriatingly), while the pads are present on the logic board in a 2014 to host a socket for the PCIe SSD’s such as used in Macbook Air’s , the socket itself is missing :-( so on a 2014 you’re limited to a single drive. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/6D96DE9C-F102-4347-BE45-383614E06F21%40pharmacy.arizona.edu.
Re: Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions
Thanks! Some minor amplification below. On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 1:04:43 PM UTC-4, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: > > > > On Oct 23, 2019, at 3:41 AM, William Spencer > wrote: > > > Hi there: I have not yet installed Catalina and need to know a couple of > things first, please: > > >- I currently keep iTunes on a separate, external HD due to the fact >that there’s not enough room for it on the main HD (capacity 250GB, but >iTunes currently uses a bit over 500GB) >- Will Catalina understand and maintain that separation? > > > I see no reason why it shouldn’t. This information is stored in the iTunes > database, presuming you’re running the current pre-Catalina version. > > That said, if you’re speaking of the Mac Mini in your sig, it’s only > moderately difficult to swap in a 1 Tb SSD (currently ~$100) which neatly > solves the whole space issue. > I should have specified: the Mini's HD is 100% SSD...and I also thought that the machine was sealed and could not be upgraded. But maybe I'm thinking of something else. If it can be upgraded then I might consider doing so later on (that $100 just isn't in the picture for now). > > >- Will my classic iPod (the last model they made) still work with >Catalina and the replacement for iTunes? > > > No idea, but if it works with iTunes in OS X 10.14, I expect it might. I’d > definitely do some research first! > > >- I back up iTunes (& everything else) to another separate, external >partitioned HD using Carbon Copy Cloner because I have been under the >impression that Time Machine can't handle the separate HD for iTunes, >though I forget why that’s the case > > > ISTR Time Machine can only back up HFS+ or APD volumes, so if it’s a > MS-DOS volume it won’t work. > The backup drive isn't MS-DOS so on that score it should be okay. But I have a dim memory that because the backup is partitioned (one for the HD, one for the iTunes drive) Time Machine wouldn't work...something about having to select the "drive" at the time of backup, but again it's been quite a while so I'm not sure. > > >- Will that backup strategy continue to work with Catalina, or will >Time Machine be the way to go? Or will backing up be handled differently >now? > > > I’ve seen no indication that Apple’s abandoning Time Machine any time soon > (although there have been under-the-hood changes with Catalina ) but > external drive backups like you’re describing are straight forward Finder > disk copies, so that’s not going away either. > > -- > Bruce Johnson > University of Arizona > College of Pharmacy > Information Technology Group > > Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs > > > -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/2d2074b9-d522-45dc-a29c-9e381e1de4d2%40googlegroups.com.
Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions
Hi there: I have not yet installed Catalina and need to know a couple of things first, please: I currently keep iTunes on a separate, external HD due to the fact that there’s not enough room for it on the main HD (capacity 250GB, but iTunes currenlty uses a bit over 500GB) Will Catalina understand and maintain that separation? Will my classic iPod (the last model they made) still work with Catalina and the replacement for iTunes? I back up iTunes (& everythng else) to another separate, external partitined HD using Carbon Copy Cloner because I have been under the impression that Time Machine can't handle the separate HD for iTunes, thogh I forget why that’s the case Will that backup strategy continue to work with Catalina, or will Time Machine be the way to go? Or will backing up be handled differenly now? My thanks in advance for any and all thoughts. *** Bill Spencer in Maryland Mac Mini 2.6 GHz i5/10.14.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/1A475598-B6E5-4F1E-B613-5AD3AA18A29F%40gmail.com.
Re: Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions
On Oct 23, 2019, at 3:41 AM, William Spencer mailto:wspence...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi there: I have not yet installed Catalina and need to know a couple of things first, please: * I currently keep iTunes on a separate, external HD due to the fact that there’s not enough room for it on the main HD (capacity 250GB, but iTunes currently uses a bit over 500GB) * Will Catalina understand and maintain that separation? I see no reason why it shouldn’t. This information is stored in the iTunes database, presuming you’re running the current pre-Catalina version. That said, if you’re speaking of the Mac Mini in your sig, it’s only moderately difficult to swap in a 1 Tb SSD (currently ~$100) which neatly solves the whole space issue. * Will my classic iPod (the last model they made) still work with Catalina and the replacement for iTunes? No idea, but if it works with iTunes in OS X 10.14, I expect it might. I’d definitely do some research first! * I back up iTunes (& everything else) to another separate, external partitioned HD using Carbon Copy Cloner because I have been under the impression that Time Machine can't handle the separate HD for iTunes, though I forget why that’s the case ISTR Time Machine can only back up HFS+ or APD volumes, so if it’s a MS-DOS volume it won’t work. * Will that backup strategy continue to work with Catalina, or will Time Machine be the way to go? Or will backing up be handled differently now? I’ve seen no indication that Apple’s abandoning Time Machine any time soon (although there have been under-the-hood changes with Catalina ) but external drive backups like you’re describing are straight forward Finder disk copies, so that’s not going away either. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/F9389E73-B556-4EB5-8EAA-9E236F1C7057%40pharmacy.arizona.edu.
Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions
Hi there: I have not yet installed Catalina and need to know a couple of things first, please: I currently keep iTunes on a separate, external HD due to the fact that there’s not enough room for it on the main HD (capacity 250GB, but iTunes currently uses a bit over 500GB) Will Catalina understand and maintain that separation? Will my classic iPod (the last model they made) still work with Catalina and the replacement for iTunes? I back up iTunes (& everything else) to another separate, external partitioned HD using Carbon Copy Cloner because I have been under the impression that Time Machine can't handle the separate HD for iTunes, though I forget why that’s the case Will that backup strategy continue to work with Catalina, or will Time Machine be the way to go? Or will backing up be handled differently now? My thanks in advance for any and all thoughts. *** Bill Spencer in Maryland Mac Mini 2.6 GHz i5/10.14.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "iMac Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/imaclist/D5F865C8-3810-467D-BCBE-2A808F1F2296%40gmail.com.
