Re: [Inkscape-docs] new Contribute and Develop pages ready

2015-01-26 Thread Maren Hachmann
Hi Brynn,

 - - The 'Translations' section title should link to the
 translations page.

 Yes, I changed that, because there are 2 links in the Translations
 section -- 1 for translating the website, and 1 for translating the
 program. What about arranging it like the Bugs section just above --
 with 2 bullets? Then each bullet title/heading could be a link?


- You could do that, I think. But it probably won't hurt to link to the
Translations page itself, not just to subsections.

 - - Would it make sense to order the sections on that page by
 difficulty? - - from easy to hard:

 It's currently arranged from easy to hard.  But I thought it made
 more sense to arrange it from most important to less important (or
 greatest need, to lesser need -- since the page is more or less about
 asking for help). That's basically how I arranged Contribute page.
 Although it's quite possible that I don't have a clear
 understanding.


- I have gotten the impression (and please, anyone here correct me) that
there are many code contributors, but that there is a gap in the
marketing / documentation staff...

 But until there actually is a guide,
 for people like me, mostly only developers know how to write official
 documentation anyway.


- That's probably true. Or at least people who can translate
developer-talk into normal-people-talk... Would you know right away what
'polar coordinates' are, and how use that feature?... 'Arrange along
Arc' *could* have been a better label for that cool new feature...

 Yes, I'll put the formatting back to left justified.  Although I
 think that makes it so much harder to read, and probably deters a lot
 of people from reading any of it (the all left justified text).  I
 really would like to see, or at least discuss doing this in the near
 future, if possible.

- I think there's a good chance for that with Hinerangi and Mathew on
the team ;)

 Thanks for looking it over, Maren  :-)

- No problem, thanks for actually *doing* this ;)

Regards,
 Maren



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Re: [Inkscape-docs] new Contribute and Develop pages ready

2015-01-26 Thread Brynn
 The plug-in links in Contribute on live are already ready,

Ok, yes, good idea.  For Contribute, I can just make the few changes using 
the editor, and not transfer the whole content.

 - - Review and Verify Existing Bug Reports (and the link in the text)
 should link to 'Bug Management' in the Dev section, not to 'Report Bugs'.

Hhmmm.  This content came originally from the old faq.  But I see what 
you mean.  I'll change it.

 - - The 'Translations' section title should link to the translations page.

Yes, I changed that, because there are 2 links in the Translations 
section -- 1 for translating the website, and 1 for translating the program. 
What about arranging it like the Bugs section just above -- with 2 bullets? 
Then each bullet title/heading could be a link?

 - - The first sentence 'Working on Inkscape's code base requires
 knowledge of C++ and Gtk development.' could maybe better be placed
 inside the next sentence ('If you're a coder/programmer and have some
 knowledge of C++ and / or Gtk development...) - this sounds less
 technical and friendlier for a first sentence ;)

Yes, that sounds much better.  I'll change.

 - - Would it make sense to order the sections on that page by difficulty?
 - - from easy to hard:

It's currently arranged from easy to hard.  But I thought it made more sense 
to arrange it from most important to less important (or greatest need, to 
lesser need -- since the page is more or less about asking for help). 
That's basically how I arranged Contribute page.  Although it's quite 
possible that I don't have a clear understanding.

 Documentation (would also fit well into 'Contribute', I think, as no
 coding or knowledge of internal program structure is needed)

I gave that a good deal of thought, and almost sent a message about it.  I 
think it depends on what kind of documentation, as to how much knowledge of 
coding/programming is needed to write it.  For example, I could write a 
tutorial about basic or even intermediate tools/features.  But if called on 
to write a section of the manual about a new tool, for example, or a wiki 
article, I would not be able to do that.  I would need to understand more 
how the tool or program actually works.  This is another case where such a 
fine line divides contributing and developing.  But until there actually is 
a guide, for people like me, mostly only developers know how to write 
official documentation anyway.

Yes, I'll put the formatting back to left justified.  Although I think that 
makes it so much harder to read, and probably deters a lot of people from 
reading any of it (the all left justified text).  I really would like to 
see, or at least discuss doing this in the near future, if possible.

Thanks for looking it over, Maren  :-)

All best,
brynn


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 Hi Brynn,

 Here is new Contribute:
 http://staging.inkscape.org/en/brynns-contribute/?edit_off, and

 - - I compared it to the current contribute page on live - and I must
 admit, that I like the one on live more, because it more directly talks
 to the user and sounds more inclusive... But I guess it would be good to
 move the long texts about development into the development section -
 they are nice, and it's good that you kept them ;)

 The plugin links in Contribute on live are already ready, you won't have
 to change much, only selectively copy some text over / remove some text.
 I thought that page had already been finished... as you had already
 added the new links to the extensions texts in the wiki and such on Jan.
 12th...

 - - Review and Verify Existing Bug Reports (and the link in the text)
 should link to 'Bug Management' in the Dev section, not to 'Report Bugs'.

 - - The 'Translations' section title should link to the translations page.


 Here is new Develop:  http://staging.inkscape.org/en/brynnsdev/?edit_off.


 - - The first sentence 'Working on Inkscape's code base requires
 knowlege of C++ and Gtk development.' could maybe better be placed
 inside the next sentence ('If you're a coder/programmer and have some
 knowlege of C++ and / or Gtk development...) - this sounds less
 technical and friendlier for a first sentence ;)

 - - Would it make sense to order the sections on that page by difficulty?
 - - from easy to hard:
 Documentation (would also fit well into 'Contribute', I think, as no
 coding or knowledge of internal program structure is needed) - Bug
 Management - Extensions - Core ; Packaging is somehow 'extra'.

 - - It's nice that you enlarged the font size and added indentation for
 better readability, but currently this will make things look
 inconsistent on live - we'll better do that in the site's css generally
 for all pages, than