Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
In light of "our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support." which will be
discussing how Inkscape uses SVG 2, maybe we should re-think where to put
such a new page.
I had the impression we were thinking about having it in the Develop menu,
because mostly developers would be interested. But I was still thinking it
should go in Learn, because it would not be strictly limited to interest by
developers.
But if it will also include info about how Inkscape uses SVG 2 (in the
future) maybe that will help determine where it should go?
Meanwhile, I started my search for more websites about this, or other
resources, and may have solved the mystery of how this Learn SVG website got
to be on the Books and Manuals pageor at least shed a lot of light on
it. When searching "learn svg" the first result is that site. However, the
text that's shown in the description of my DDG search:
"A site for the book Learn SVG: The Web Graphics Standard, which is a
beginner-level book presented in a workbook-like format, covering the main
aspects of SVG. Includes examples and tutorials."
must come from either a previous incarnation of that site, or some hidden
source. I don't really understand much about how search engines work, but I
thought they took the first couple of lines of text from the home page, for
the description. In this case, I can't find the description anywhere on
that site. But apparently, the site either used to, or was originally
intended, to promote this book.
The first mention of any book, that I can find, is
https://www.microsoft.com/learning/en-us/book.aspx?ID=15525. But I don't
think that's the book that was supposed to be (or somehow is) promoted,
because it's not a workbook. Anyway, if we can find this book, it certainly
should be listed on Books and Manuals page!
And where to start this new page about SVG should probably be decided,
before we start (or else we'll have to go through the same routine with
changing text links at the last minute, as we did with the recent new
pages).
Should we plan on a whole new main menu item "SVG" with so far, 2 pages -- 1
about learning how to write SVG, and 1 about how Inkscape uses SVG. Or
should it be Learn SVG page in Learn menu, and put info about how Inkscape
uses SVG 2 in News? Or some other arrangement?
Thanks,
brynn
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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 2:03 AM
To: "Brynn"
Cc: "Martin Owens" ; "Inkscape-Docs"
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 01:50:31AM -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> I'll be sure to keep an eye on those, along with the others on the
>> Around the Internet page (the outside "galleries" page), Community
>> (forums), as well as Tutorials, if that page ever gets going. (And
>> maybe 1 or 2 in the new FAQ.)
>>
>> Bryce, when you say "our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support."
>> do you mean using SVG 2 on the website, or do you mean reporting
>> about how Inkscape implements SVG 2?
>
> The former would be spiffy, but what I meant was the latter.
>
> And more specifically, as SVG 2 is still muchly a work in progress, the
> website could serve a good purpose by providing links to SVG 2
> references and examples, and explaining work needed in inkscape to
> implement the same. This is an area Tav is very passionate about, and
> he might be able to supply you with a lot of information.
>
>> Thanks for explaining. My brains starts to glaze over when the
>> subject of 'specifications' comes up 8-)
>
> I know. :-) They're quite important though!
>
> Bryce
>
>> brynn
>>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:05 AM
>> To: "Martin Owens"
>> Cc: "Brynn" ; "Inkscape-Docs"
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG
>> coding)
>>
>> >On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
>> >>On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> >>> We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And
>> >>> the
>> >>> other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would
>> >>> inspire
>> >>> some developers to fill it in?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page
>> >>is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
>> >
>> >This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.
>> >
>> >One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper
>> >maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web,
>> >and 3rd party links especially.
>> >
>> >Bryce
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 01:30 -0700, Brynn wrote: > the animation of SVG is done via JS and other scripts, which is > a different code. So I guess they should be entirely > separate.right? Hi Brynn, There are two animations possible. (three now), one is javascript, one is SMIL and the last is CSS3 Martin, -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
I'll be sure to keep an eye on those, along with the others on the Around
the Internet page (the outside "galleries" page), Community (forums), as
well as Tutorials, if that page ever gets going. (And maybe 1 or 2 in the
new FAQ.)
Bryce, when you say "our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support." do you
mean using SVG 2 on the website, or do you mean reporting about how
Inkscape implements SVG 2?
Thanks for explaining. My brains starts to glaze over when the subject of
'specifications' comes up 8-)
brynn
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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:05 AM
To: "Martin Owens"
Cc: "Brynn" ; "Inkscape-Docs"
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
>> On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> > We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And
>> > the
>> > other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would
>> > inspire
>> > some developers to fill it in?
>>
>>
>> This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page
>> is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
>
> This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.
>
> One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper
> maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web,
> and 3rd party links especially.
>
> Bryce
>
>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
Ok :-)
I'm about to go offline for now. But I'll plan on doing some searching, the
next time I'm back online, and I'll look for a new page with intro text, if
you can get it started, Maren. And then Maren and I can collaborate from
there. Maybe during my search I'll get some ideas about organizing the
page. It may end up being just a handful of links, butwell, as we've
said, at least it will be a start.
This is a slightly different subject, at the moment, but it's a fairly
popular topic on forums. The way I found what little info I have on SVG
coding, was while searching for info on animation of SVG (for my website).
So my info will have a lot of cross-over with animation. I included some of
that info in the very brief overview of animation in FAQ# A.10
(https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#Can_Inkscape_create_animations?).
And I definitely have enough info, and understand well enough, to make a
page on animation, and the various options that exist currently. (Not like
a tutorial, but a more in depth overview than what I put in the FAQ. And
like with the Promote and Contribute pages, the FAQ can be further shrunk by
simply linking to this proposed new page about animation and SVG.) (And
light bulb! Likewise, the About SVG section of the FAQ can be combined into
this new About SVG page!)
So not only would a page about animation be good content for the site, I
could probably do it. But I wonder if it should be an entirely separate
page? Or should it be a section on this new About SVG page? I guess
technically, the animation of SVG is done via JS and other scripts, which is
a different code. So I guess they should be entirely separate.right?
Maybe I could even make up some simple examples! (uh-oh.could the site,
the django part handle some simple animation of SVG?maybe you guys would
have to set up that part of the page, since I don't understand a lot of
those django plugins?) (Or maybe I could put the examples on my website, and
just provide links from the proposed Animation page. That way can bypass
django.although one should probably expect Inkscape's website to be able
to use SVG!)
Sorry, for starting to ramble. That's how my creative process works, I
guess. Anyway, I'll make sure to finish the About SVG page, before starting
on About Animation :-)
Thanks,
brynn
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 4:53 PM
To: "Brynn"
Cc: "Inkscape-Docs"
Subject: Re: where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
> On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And
>> the
>> other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would
>> inspire
>> some developers to fill it in?
>
>
> This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page
> is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
>
> Thanks for your hard work :-)
>
> Martin,
>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote: > On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote: > > We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And > > the > > other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would > > inspire > > some developers to fill it in? > > > This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page > is better than no page and we can evolve it from there. This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support. One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web, and 3rd party links especially. Bryce -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 01:50:31AM -0700, Brynn wrote:
> I'll be sure to keep an eye on those, along with the others on the
> Around the Internet page (the outside "galleries" page), Community
> (forums), as well as Tutorials, if that page ever gets going. (And
> maybe 1 or 2 in the new FAQ.)
>
> Bryce, when you say "our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support."
> do you mean using SVG 2 on the website, or do you mean reporting
> about how Inkscape implements SVG 2?
The former would be spiffy, but what I meant was the latter.
And more specifically, as SVG 2 is still muchly a work in progress, the
website could serve a good purpose by providing links to SVG 2
references and examples, and explaining work needed in inkscape to
implement the same. This is an area Tav is very passionate about, and
he might be able to supply you with a lot of information.
> Thanks for explaining. My brains starts to glaze over when the
> subject of 'specifications' comes up 8-)
I know. :-) They're quite important though!
Bryce
> brynn
>
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> From: "Bryce Harrington"
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:05 AM
> To: "Martin Owens"
> Cc: "Brynn" ; "Inkscape-Docs"
>
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? ("advanced" SVG coding)
>
> >On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
> >>On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
> >>> We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about. And
> >>> the
> >>> other links I have are just 2 or 3. But maybe starting a page would
> >>> inspire
> >>> some developers to fill it in?
> >>
> >>
> >>This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page
> >>is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
> >
> >This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.
> >
> >One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper
> >maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web,
> >and 3rd party links especially.
> >
> >Bryce
> >
> >
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