Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
Thank you Marten, I have been in touch with Brynn and I have offered to help if I can. But I too was wondering who is the Project Manager, handling the task analysis and the work assignments. I really don't think you can have a project of this level, with multiple people involved, and not have someone assessing skill levels, tracking task completion, determining milestones, and communicating progress. Your Project Manager must also be given the authority to ask questions related to the tasks and resources needed to complete the assigned progress and to expect an answer. I have been waiting for someone to contact me related to the skill set I possess to let me know if I can help at all. Brynn I am sorry, I thought you were the Project Manager, so I shared my skill set with you, thinking you were putting together people and skills. Maren seems to be moving along and as she mentioned, you do need someone familiar with Inkscape, which I am not. I just started using it a few months ago to do basic 2D drawings for quilting projects. If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations in knowing the software. Regards Marietta On 6/4/2017 10:09 AM, Martin Owens wrote: Can someone help Maren? I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for drumming up volunteers. But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do while figuring out the software/editing platform. Thoughts? Best Regards, Martin Owens On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35 chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug). I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with translating. I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks already. But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what. Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to not have time for much else. I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do well, like fixing up language or styling). There are more than enough open tasks: from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course). And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get started, without much theoretical ballast. Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses. Maren Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R: I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for help with it. If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go ahead, though. :) Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project, brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape project work. :) -C On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn wrote: Hi Friends, As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short item about the recent new work on the new manual? I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article. I'm thinking Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first time ar
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
I think it will suit me perfectly. Thanks--Marietta On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote: Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your time :) I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff - believe me, I understand). Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join. @Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion? Kind Regards, Maren Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens: On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote: If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations in knowing the software. You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this' Is this something you'd be good at helping with? Best Regards, Martin Owens -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
Hi all, I have set myself up with Trello in order to track notes and completion of Chapter review.. (Just to let everyone know I will not be actually editing chapters, only providing feedback to Maren on those things I need to. ) I digress. Trello is free and easy to use. It has taken me about ten minutes to figure it out and set my self up with a checklist, which I am now working on breaking into Sub-heading groups. With that said, if anyone would like to join me there to create checklists /progress tracking, If everyone jumped in to use, we could also let the group know where we are because I have made it public for viewing. So if you want to check it out-here is the link. https://trello.com/b/5MTvCikC/inkscape If you want to use it, then create an account and then send me your info. Regards Marietta On 6/4/2017 6:10 PM, Marietta Walker wrote: I think it will suit me perfectly. Thanks--Marietta On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote: Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your time :) I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff - believe me, I understand). Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join. @Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion? Kind Regards, Maren Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens: On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote: If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations in knowing the software. You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this' Is this something you'd be good at helping with? Best Regards, Martin Owens -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] Fwd: Re: [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?
And I am the culprit on not getting sending back to the list. My email defaults to the sender not the list and I keep forgetting to change the email address and I just did it to Maren with the messages below! Shame on me Marietta Forwarded Message Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 16:36:12 -0500 From: Marietta Walker To: Maren Hachmann No problem at all. I did take a look, and you will find I am pretty flexible, but is OK to use the English board? I am sure I will not learn French in time to help with anything! I will be happy to extract and help track task and mark them complete as we go. And as a new user of Inkscape, you can count on me to also test as we go. Regards Marietta On 6/6/2017 4:09 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote: Hi Marietta, a kanban board is a good idea, but there are free alternatives which I would prefer to see used, e.g. https://framaboard.org/. Perhaps you would be willing to extract the tasks from previous messages (esp. the one about the news item to Brynn) and move the board over to framaboard? Also, we would need someone to take care of marking tasks that are done by people who are not registered there as done. We don't need everyone to have an account, I think - we could also just add their names, when we know they want to work on it. What do you think, Marietta? Kind Regards, Maren Am 06.06.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn: No thanks for me. (I've already got a whole notebook of login passwords.) But I think Martin has been looking for something like that. Especially if it would give automatic reminders (afaiu). All best, brynn -Original Message----- From: Marietta Walker Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 9:59 AM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work? Hi all, I have set myself up with Trello in order to track notes and completion of Chapter review.. (Just to let everyone know I will not be actually editing chapters, only providing feedback to Maren on those things I need to. ) I digress. Trello is free and easy to use. It has taken me about ten minutes to figure it out and set my self up with a checklist, which I am now working on breaking into Sub-heading groups. With that said, if anyone would like to join me there to create checklists /progress tracking, If everyone jumped in to use, we could also let the group know where we are because I have made it public for viewing. So if you want to check it out-here is the link. https://trello.com/b/5MTvCikC/inkscape If you want to use it, then create an account and then send me your info. Regards Marietta On 6/4/2017 6:10 PM, Marietta Walker wrote: I think it will suit me perfectly. Thanks--Marietta On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote: Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your time :) I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff - believe me, I understand). Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join. @Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion? Kind Regards, Maren Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens: On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote: If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations in knowing the software. You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this' Is this something you'd be good at helping with? Best Regards, Martin Owens -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! h
Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual
For Martin: Are we working on the project at Gitlab titled: Inkscape\Inkscape-docs\manuals or are you creating another project? If we keep it under one large generic heading such as the above mentioned, then we can track sub projects under one umbrella, English Translation for Inkscape Beginners/Dutch Translation for "Whatever/etc. Am I making any sense? Also do I need to add SSH to my account? Since I am completely unfamiliar with Gitlab, I am wanting to get in there and learn and get started. Thanks On 6/6/2017 10:15 PM, brynn wrote: - We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else to grab. No, I don't mind doing it. I just need to be clear what the goal is and what the parameters are. Although I won't be happy if I rename files and find out later that they're going to be replaced. Here you seem to be asking me to make the screenshots. But in a different message, I thought you said that CR had volunteered. Maybe I misunderstood somewhere? But I don't have a very pretty theme color. How about if I make a list of all the ones that need to be replaced, and give the list to C R. Then he could make them with the default Windows theme, and either upload them himself, or send to me and I'll upload? Not sure about developers spending time reviewing the manual at hackfest, when time is at such a premium, with travel expenses and all. It seems like after hackfest would be better. Plus do we really need reviews from advanced users? New users would seem better for sources of reviews? But I can finish my part before hackfest. If C R has time to make them, I'm sure we can finish the whole thing by that time. Or even if you want me to try making another user account, to find out if it could use a different theme. Then I could make the screenshots. All best, brynn -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 7:50 PM To: brynn ; Inkscape-Docs Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs]News item graphics issues in manual Am 07.06.2017 um 03:08 schrieb brynn: If you're saying that Inkscape is supposed to detect what kind of screen is being used, and automatically set itself accordingly, that's something I've never heard of, or experienced. - According to the program code, if width/height > 1.65, Inkscape will switch to 'Wide' mode. You could try it out by removing / renaming your preferences file. I suspect you have moved it from your old computer. Let's stick to that for screenshots, it makes sense. If it doesn't work, it's a bug. It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any text or menus shown. I haven't started yet. I don't want to duplicate or waste work energy. It seems like it would be less work all around, to just give appropriate names to the new screens and graphics, than to rename them all now, and upload whole new images to relace them later. Or am I missing something about the plans and processes? - We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else to grab. Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will not be deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at Hackfest time? Wouldn't I need to work with C R (or whoever), to determine which are kept and which are replaced? It seems like some level of coordination and communication should happen for this, rather than 2 different people going at it separately in different ways, possibly making incompatible decisions? - CR is there for talking, but I trust that you can figure out if an image is just a tool icon, or contains a drawing without text, and does not need to be re-created. You might even use gimp to cut off some French text. This would speed up manual creation quite a bit. Improvements can be done later. By the way, why does it need to be ready for hackfest? I was thinking the end of the year for a target publishing date, not 3 weeks! - Ready as in 'translated' and ready to work on and test out for people speaking English. Kind Regards, Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Manual] Updates and news
Maren, I have read all your messages and I am putting some heavy duty thoughts into the organization. I do think there should be something per chapter. Right now, I am planning on going back into each of the Section Headings and add each Chapter. Under there I can add tasks for everything we want to track. I am trying to squeeze in as I can during the next few days. I have my dear sweet Aunt and Uncles 50th Anniversary this weekend and it is eating my time. Then I have the RV to get ready for a five day trip that has been planned awhile. During that trip, I can catch up in the evenings. DH and I work out of the RV all the time. Not complaining, just wanted to let everyone know where I am. Please feel free to contact me if you need a task created so information can be documented. Even if you have already completed the task, it can still be documented. I won't have such a long day today, so tonight I can make some things happen. Warm Regards to all and I am looking forward to working with everyone! Marietta/ On 6/8/2017 6:53 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote: Hi everyone, after sending out the message about having felt a bit lonely while translating the manual, several people sent me some helpful tips on how to do it better :) (Thanks!) This update message is the incarnation of one of those. Also, I was very pleased to see that there are so many people still interested in helping, and to see some new people to join us on the Beginners' Guide project. Welcome again, Jabier, Jelle and Marietta! So, what happened this week? - - Brynn has worked on a friendly news item to get more contributors that will soon be published (find it here, if you're a website editor: https://inkscape.org/en/news/unpublished/812/) - CR posted a first draft (png) of a cover image, with a tasty Inkscape ice cream (find it here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_m) - Jabier has volunteered to work on the CSS a bit, and tested the pdf export, where he found an issue, which, fortunately, we were able to solve (see example pdf of draft from a couple of days ago: http://objavi.booktype.pro/data/books/startwithinkscape-en-2017.06.07 -01.46.42.pdf) - Jelle offered to help with proofreading, and possibly also with design - Marietta joined the team, and started out making a public task list (here: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues/, more on that further down) and committed to help keeping it updated. She also proofread one chapter for language inaccuracies, and offered to help with the glossary and testing of the manual's effectiveness. - Martin (doctormo) helped by giving me permissions to manage the manual task list and members on gitlab - I have learnt a bit about managing a project this size (at least, I hope I have... let me know when I'm stepping on your toes, please), did some investigation on export formats, helped set up the gitlab issues section, coordinated with members to get them set up, reviewed the news article and translated and technically reviewed 17 chapters, also feeding back to Elisa for the original French version. There are 14 chapters left to be translated, I expect to be done with that in a week, if nobody else joins me there. - Together we had some good discussions here on the list, that show that work on the manual is very much alive :) Hope I haven't forgotten anyone, and didn't get the facts wrong - if I have, please blame it on the lack of: The new task tracker Marietta suggested that we have a task tracker to follow up on tasks and to keep an overview about responsibilities. This is a good idea (while currently, I'm still able to keep most of it in my head, that is not a good place to keep records, and to allow people to self-assign and update tasks, and to be responsible ;-) - it may also loose some info here and there), and after a bit of searching, we settled on the *Gitlab issue tracker* for the *Manuals project* as our base. As Inkscape's code is currently in the process of moving there, website translation files and website code already reside there, and most people who will stay with the project long-term will need an account there anyway, and as it offers some project management functions, this is a good place for keeping log of our progress. We are still thinking a bit about the most useful way to organize issues there (because of interdependencies). Everyone in the Beginners' Guide group is invited to create a gitlab account at https://gitlab.com/users/sign_in and to sign up for the tasks Marietta is currently working on adding at https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals/issues You can also add new tasks or request access to the team for helping to manage tasks. Please don't take on more tasks than you can work on in parallel. Only sign up for what you are really currently working on. If you want to work on a task in the future, but cannot yet, leave
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Manual] Updates and news
So sorry I have not been around. We have had several things slam us lately. Illness in my family and then something in my back went nuts. I can't sit, lay, stand, or do much of anything for very long. I am afraid I will have to bow out of the project. Take care all and best of luck with the project. Marietta -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
