Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Wow, can't you disable that in your browser. I would tolerate that for about a half-second! Is Chromium the same thing as Chrome? It must be different. But are they related? Oh! Doesn't django much have a find/replace? I don't see it. But if there is, you could search for , and search again for space , and space, and replace with the correct thing. Oh!! You could take the html (souce) out to a text editor, and do it there. Then paste back in. When I first started working with django, that was my workflow. Because in the Very beginning, the source wasn't even formatted. The html just wrapped and wrapped. So I pasted into a text editor to get some minimum formatting. I still don't think it formats. But at least it doesn't wrap anymore. But if you do that, be sure to back up the page first. Just in case :-) They're all outdated now, but for a while, I had 8 or 10 pages backed up locally. I don't have the whole website, like Maren does (because I don't have any need or skills for it). But I had a bunch of pages. Why does the dashes bother you? Because people use them too much? In personal writing, I use them a lot. But since it's not official, I guess it doesn't matter. I think it's ok to use once in a while on the website. I wouldn't use more than twice on the same page. But only if I couldn't think of any other way. Mostly I would only use once or not at all. Yeah, in forums, people almost always call me "man" or refer to with "he". Even on the mailing list once or twice. I used to have a Celtic knot or endless knot for my forum avatar. But I changed it to a flower, to try and appear more feminine. It didn't help at all! Maybe a sunflower is too masculine? Maybe I need a more delicate flower? What's a delicate flower? Rose? Poppies are pretty delicatemaybe dahlia? Dahlia would be a good username! But I'm rambling I'm not sure if that asterisk in front of her name means leader, or if it's just different username or account. Maybe it is. All the other teams either have only 1 person with asterisk, or none. I'd say that's a good guess :-) All best, brynn -- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:43 PM To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page > Le 02/06/2016 à 18:50, Brynn a écrit : >> Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "project. In this >> way" >> Maybe she gave up on it? You know, I might not be the only one who has >> this >> habit, because a lot of that text with double-spaces, I didn't write it. > > Indeed I thought you couldn't be the only one. > >> I guess you can just fix them when you find them, if they're bothersome. >> Better would be if Django just didn't put them in, because at my age, >> changing how I type isn't likely to happen. > > I would consider it as a bug. > Then, if it can help other readers to skip this wondering, I'll correct > that, even if I must use Chromium for it. That's true it is more > difficult to distinguish sentences when ? and ! are followed by a single > space… But I rarely seen the double-space rule elsewhere. > Chromium has a recent strange graphic fact: hovering its buttons (in the > toolbars or the ‘find’ interface) draws a square box, then activating it > (clicking) morphes the square into a disc (which looks bigger, being > circumscribed to the previous square). That's a bit disturbing. > A problem is: when I erase one of this spaces, the remaining one is > often a no-break space… > Another typographic habit that bothers me is the use of narrow dashes > ‘-’ or double-narrow dashes ‘-’. We're in the epoch of Unicode, we can > put em dashes ‘—’ (or en dashes ‘–’ e.g. for intervals). > >> I don't know if "Maren" is boy's or girl's name, since I'm not familiar >> with >> German, or even European culture. But the person behind the name is a >> woman. And me too (although I've been told that in Europe, "brynn" can >> be >> male or female name - like Chris, Tracy, Jessie, etc.). > > To me, ‘Brynn’ looked like ‘Bryce’; but I noticed you were referred to > as a woman. I was used to fully masculine teams in computer projects so > having a woman as a team leader is a nice thing. > I think the star on this page means ‘leader’: > https://inkscape.org/en/*translator > -- > Sylvain > > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and > traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols > are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor sup
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Dear Brynn and Sylvain, Am 02.06.2016 um 23:43 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Le 02/06/2016 à 18:50, Brynn a écrit : >> Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "project. In this way" >> Maybe she gave up on it? - I didn't give up on it, I just accepted it as a fact of life that styles may be different. It might have taken me some time and I apologize for that, but ultimately, the only thing that matters to me is that we have good, reliable, correct information on the website and that it is readable and understandable, and also that there are people who will enjoy taking care of this. > A problem is: when I erase one of this spaces, the remaining one is > often a no-break space… - Sylvain, I think in that case, to avoid any collateral damage (sentences no longer flowing or flowing out of the frame), it may be advisable to use search and replace in the source code of the pages. > I was used to fully masculine teams in computer projects so > having a woman as a team leader is a nice thing. - Well, thanks for that, and sorry for the lack of diversity in your projects. I personally expect my gender to not make any difference here, and to not be a topic for the documentation mailing list. > I think the star on this page means ‘leader’: > https://inkscape.org/en/*translator - It means 'Admin', which is a term that in my view describes someone with a specific set of responsibilities, just like any other team member has. Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Le 02/06/2016 à 18:50, Brynn a écrit : > Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "project. In this way" > Maybe she gave up on it? You know, I might not be the only one who has this > habit, because a lot of that text with double-spaces, I didn't write it. Indeed I thought you couldn't be the only one. > I guess you can just fix them when you find them, if they're bothersome. > Better would be if Django just didn't put them in, because at my age, > changing how I type isn't likely to happen. I would consider it as a bug. Then, if it can help other readers to skip this wondering, I'll correct that, even if I must use Chromium for it. That's true it is more difficult to distinguish sentences when ? and ! are followed by a single space… But I rarely seen the double-space rule elsewhere. Chromium has a recent strange graphic fact: hovering its buttons (in the toolbars or the ‘find’ interface) draws a square box, then activating it (clicking) morphes the square into a disc (which looks bigger, being circumscribed to the previous square). That's a bit disturbing. A problem is: when I erase one of this spaces, the remaining one is often a no-break space… Another typographic habit that bothers me is the use of narrow dashes ‘-’ or double-narrow dashes ‘-’. We're in the epoch of Unicode, we can put em dashes ‘—’ (or en dashes ‘–’ e.g. for intervals). > I don't know if "Maren" is boy's or girl's name, since I'm not familiar with > German, or even European culture. But the person behind the name is a > woman. And me too (although I've been told that in Europe, "brynn" can be > male or female name - like Chris, Tracy, Jessie, etc.). To me, ‘Brynn’ looked like ‘Bryce’; but I noticed you were referred to as a woman. I was used to fully masculine teams in computer projects so having a woman as a team leader is a nice thing. I think the star on this page means ‘leader’: https://inkscape.org/en/*translator -- Sylvain -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "project. In this way" Maybe she gave up on it? You know, I might not be the only one who has this habit, because a lot of that text with double-spaces, I didn't write it. I guess you can just fix them when you find them, if they're bothersome. Better would be if Django just didn't put them in, because at my age, changing how I type isn't likely to happen. I don't know if "Maren" is boy's or girl's name, since I'm not familiar with German, or even European culture. But the person behind the name is a woman. And me too (although I've been told that in Europe, "brynn" can be male or female name - like Chris, Tracy, Jessie, etc.). All best, brynn -- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:50 PM To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page > Le 01/06/2016 à 19:47, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >> Am 01.06.2016 um 07:16 schrieb Brynn: >>> I have it now. The original link Sylvain gave was missing 1 letter. >>> But I >>> have it now. > > Sorry… That means I sent the link and pluralized the name of the page > just after. Not really clever… > >>> What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest? Will this page go >>> back >>> into the menu? I'm confused. >> >> - The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the >> currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general >> page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully). >> Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out >> completely. > > I wasn't seeing it like that… My idea, when the next hackfest is coming, > was simply to keep the general page, and to add an updated sentence > telling ‘Next hackfest will be ………’, with a link to a news article > giving more details, and possibly a link to the wiki if the news article > does not itself contain such a link. > > Talking about the wiki, I wanted to link to it when writing the page > about the hackfests, but all pages concerning them were linked to a > specific year; there was no general one. Not even a Category:Hackfests > (which I can't create myself since I haven't got an account on the wiki > yet). It would be useful at least for the part ’You may consider > attending yourself?’ > >>> In any case, I don't see any problems on that page. Everything looks >>> good. >> >> @Sylvain: Thanks for helping with the website updates! > > That means I can write English after all. Good. > >> I don't find any double-spaces on Funded Development page, or Hackfest >> page either. Not even using Find. I could show screenshots. > > I was not talking about those pages themselves, but the small sections > in the Support Us page: > https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ > > I wrote a new version for the Hackfests sections so the double-spaces > are gone, but look carefully between the two sentences in the Funded > Development section. > > In the FAQ, there are many double-spaces (but not everywhere): > https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/ > You should find them easily using your browser's text search feature; > although there are some bugs in Firefox with it (the highlighted text is > not always directly visible). In Chromium, it works better. > > Better examples: > * https://inkscape.org/en/community/ > * https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/report-bugs/ (also many > double-spaces around the links) > > Is it enough? > >> I wonder if there's some way that your browser is causing this? Or >> otherwise something on your end is causing the problem? I don't see a >> any double-spaces anywhere on the site. > > Really strange… > >> (This part is a little funny. When I first found out about this, I >> was purposely inserting a double-space after a period (and after a >> colon too). From my point of view, it's proper punctuation. At that >> time, I was working on several different pages for the website. I >> would edit one day, and the next day, all my double-spaces were >> gone. It turns out Maren was going through right behind me, and >> removing them. Later, I tried to sneak one in, just to find out how >> long it would take her to find it. And the answer - just a few >> hours!) > > Ow… But I still see some. > ‘Maren’ is a girl's name? Those foreign names are really unclear. Just > like the profile pictures. > -- > Sylvain > > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitor
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Hi Sylvain, Am 01.06.2016 um 22:50 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >> - The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the >> currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general >> page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully). >> Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out completely. > > I wasn't seeing it like that… My idea, when the next hackfest is coming, > was simply to keep the general page, and to add an updated sentence > telling ‘Next hackfest will be ………’, with a link to a news article > giving more details, and possibly a link to the wiki if the news article > does not itself contain such a link. - That would be a viable option, too. > Talking about the wiki, I wanted to link to it when writing the page > about the hackfests, but all pages concerning them were linked to a > specific year; there was no general one. Not even a Category:Hackfests > (which I can't create myself since I haven't got an account on the wiki > yet). It would be useful at least for the part ’You may consider > attending yourself?’ - I think we can skip that part, as it is already a part of the year-specific Hackfest page (or we can insert into the Hackfest*s* page). It's fine as it is right now. Kind Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Le 01/06/2016 à 19:47, Maren Hachmann a écrit : > Am 01.06.2016 um 07:16 schrieb Brynn: >> I have it now. The original link Sylvain gave was missing 1 letter. But I >> have it now. Sorry… That means I sent the link and pluralized the name of the page just after. Not really clever… >> What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest? Will this page go back >> into the menu? I'm confused. > > - The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the > currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general > page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully). > Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out completely. I wasn't seeing it like that… My idea, when the next hackfest is coming, was simply to keep the general page, and to add an updated sentence telling ‘Next hackfest will be ………’, with a link to a news article giving more details, and possibly a link to the wiki if the news article does not itself contain such a link. Talking about the wiki, I wanted to link to it when writing the page about the hackfests, but all pages concerning them were linked to a specific year; there was no general one. Not even a Category:Hackfests (which I can't create myself since I haven't got an account on the wiki yet). It would be useful at least for the part ’You may consider attending yourself?’ >> In any case, I don't see any problems on that page. Everything looks good. > > @Sylvain: Thanks for helping with the website updates! That means I can write English after all. Good. > I don't find any double-spaces on Funded Development page, or Hackfest > page either. Not even using Find. I could show screenshots. I was not talking about those pages themselves, but the small sections in the Support Us page: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ I wrote a new version for the Hackfests sections so the double-spaces are gone, but look carefully between the two sentences in the Funded Development section. In the FAQ, there are many double-spaces (but not everywhere): https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/ You should find them easily using your browser's text search feature; although there are some bugs in Firefox with it (the highlighted text is not always directly visible). In Chromium, it works better. Better examples: * https://inkscape.org/en/community/ * https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/report-bugs/ (also many double-spaces around the links) Is it enough? > I wonder if there's some way that your browser is causing this? Or > otherwise something on your end is causing the problem? I don't see a > any double-spaces anywhere on the site. Really strange… > (This part is a little funny. When I first found out about this, I > was purposely inserting a double-space after a period (and after a > colon too). From my point of view, it's proper punctuation. At that > time, I was working on several different pages for the website. I > would edit one day, and the next day, all my double-spaces were > gone. It turns out Maren was going through right behind me, and > removing them. Later, I tried to sneak one in, just to find out how > long it would take her to find it. And the answer - just a few > hours!) Ow… But I still see some. ‘Maren’ is a girl's name? Those foreign names are really unclear. Just like the profile pictures. -- Sylvain -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Hi Brynn, Am 01.06.2016 um 07:16 schrieb Brynn: > What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest? Will this page go back > into the menu? I'm confused. - The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully). Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out completely. > In any case, I don't see any problems on that page. Everything looks good. - Thank you for reviewing, Brynn! @Sylvain: Thanks for helping with the website updates! I'm going to publish them both now and inform translators of the change. Kind Regards, Maren > All best, > brynn > > -- > From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:59 PM > To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page > >> OK, here is a draft for the general page about the Hackfest: >> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest/?edit >> (Note that you must be connected to see it.) >> >> I barely wrote anything actually; mostly removed what was specific to >> this year and moved the sentences for something more generic. I only >> added two sentences with a list in the middle. >> >> Is it enough? I edited the French page symmetrically. >> >> Sylvain >> >> Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit : >>> Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page >>> live? >>> >>> Yes, I can help with proofing. >>> >>> Idea (fwiw) >>> What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing >>> fancy. >>> Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling >>> users >>> which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, >>> Martin >>> didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive >>> donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could >>> be >>> very simplistic description. >>> >>> All best, >>> brynn >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM >>> To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>; <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>; >>> "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page >>> >>>> Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn: >>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly >>>>> what >>>>> it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature >>>>> created? >>>> >>>> - No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round >>>> replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're >>>> not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in >>>> general. >>>> >>>> If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with >>>> proofreading? >>>> >>>> I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is >>>> ready. >>>> >>>> There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions >>>> stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version >>>> (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like >>>> these out...). >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page? >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Maren >>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> brynn >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM >>>>> To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page >>>>> >>>>>> Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >>>>>>> - That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the >>>>>>> page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. >>>>>>> I hope you didn't find yet another bug...
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
"On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 23:41 -0600, Brynn wrote: > To be honest, I see it as sad (not to mention, a little bit > illiterate). I think there's more acceptance that English is a language of consensus . (the docs team might have different rules, but while I'm currently acting web master, these are my thoughts on website content)" Oh, well I'm not arguing that things should be different for the Inkscape project or website than they are for the rest of the internet. My strength and energy for going against the flow is long past. When I said "I see it as" I meant that's my opinion, and not that I think there should be any change. Maybe I should have been more clear about that. I didn't mean to offend anyone. All best, brynn -- From: "Martin Owens" <docto...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:41 AM To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>; <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>; "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 23:41 -0600, Brynn wrote: > To be honest, I see it as sad (not to mention, a little bit > illiterate). I think there's more acceptance that English is a language of consensus and not as prescriptive as children were taught in school in previous generations. For example people in the USA and UK can't agree if a comma is required between every and, or, and but. This is a marked departure from 'proper' since it's very hard to say what is proper when the language is naturally evolving as it's used in different spaces like text messages, websites and etcetera. So long as the text is a) Understandable and b) presentable; the actual grammar rules are up to the writer to a large degree. (the docs team might have different rules, but while I'm currently acting web master, these are my thoughts on website content) Best Regards, Martin Owens signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
I have it now. The original link Sylvain gave was missing 1 letter. But I have it now. One thing I don't get. I thought the reason for this page was to explain about Hackfest, separate from asking for donations. But it still is asking for donations. What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest? Will this page go back into the menu? I'm confused. In any case, I don't see any problems on that page. Everything looks good. All best, brynn -- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:59 PM To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page > OK, here is a draft for the general page about the Hackfest: > https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest/?edit > (Note that you must be connected to see it.) > > I barely wrote anything actually; mostly removed what was specific to > this year and moved the sentences for something more generic. I only > added two sentences with a list in the middle. > > Is it enough? I edited the French page symmetrically. > > Sylvain > > Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit : >> Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page >> live? >> >> Yes, I can help with proofing. >> >> Idea (fwiw) >> What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing >> fancy. >> Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling >> users >> which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, >> Martin >> didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive >> donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could >> be >> very simplistic description. >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -- >> From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de> >> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>; <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>; >> "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page >> >>> Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn: >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly >>>> what >>>> it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature >>>> created? >>> >>> - No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round >>> replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're >>> not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in >>> general. >>> >>> If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with >>> proofreading? >>> >>> I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is >>> ready. >>> >>> There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions >>> stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version >>> (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like >>> these out...). >>> >>> Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page? >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Maren >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> brynn >>>> >>>> -- >>>> From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM >>>> To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page >>>> >>>>> Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >>>>>> - That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the >>>>>> page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. >>>>>> I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we >>>>>> can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be >>>>>> inaccessible. >>>>> >>>>> I'm so sorry… >>>>> I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for >>>>> the Hackfest page in English. >>>>> I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear >>>>> everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected >
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
@Brynn: It's these two pages: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit (or get there via the menu: Support us, then switch to edit mode) https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfests/?edit (or get there via the 'Pages' overview in the admin interface, in Home -> Support Us -> Hackfests, then click on the 'eye' icon in the corresponding row) Kind Regards, Maren Am 31.05.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Brynn: > I tried to look at the page, but I only get Page Not Found. Yes, I'm > logged in. > > Those from my generation see a double-space after a period to be correct > punctuation. However, those who invented computers thought they could > get by without it. And so that very simple step, which makes reading > large chunks of text much, much easier, is lost from the world. > > I think it's actually considered to be a bug in django that the 2nd > space is created. Most of the rest of the internet ignores it. > > I actually type the double-space automatically (old dogs and new tricks, > you know). But I'm pretty sure Maren has scoured the entire website, an > eliminated any double-spaces. Where do you see them? > > All best, > brynn > > -- > From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:17 PM > To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page > >> Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >>> Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >>>> Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): >>>> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ >>>> the hackfest is introduced as an annual event. >>> >>> - Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page. >> >> I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page: >> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit >> >> I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started >> translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces >> between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English >> prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the >> ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch >> keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough >> to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason? >> >>> @Brynn: would you have a look when you can and tell us if you would like >>> to see any changes to that page? >> -- >> Sylvain >> >> -- >> >> What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and >> traffic >> patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and >> protocols are >> consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, >> J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity >> planning reports. >> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
I tried to look at the page, but I only get Page Not Found. Yes, I'm logged in. Those from my generation see a double-space after a period to be correct punctuation. However, those who invented computers thought they could get by without it. And so that very simple step, which makes reading large chunks of text much, much easier, is lost from the world. I think it's actually considered to be a bug in django that the 2nd space is created. Most of the rest of the internet ignores it. I actually type the double-space automatically (old dogs and new tricks, you know). But I'm pretty sure Maren has scoured the entire website, an eliminated any double-spaces. Where do you see them? All best, brynn -- From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:17 PM To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page > Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >> Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >>> Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): >>> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ >>> the hackfest is introduced as an annual event. >> >> - Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page. > > I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page: > https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit > > I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started > translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces > between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English > prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the > ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch > keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough > to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason? > >> @Brynn: would you have a look when you can and tell us if you would like >> to see any changes to that page? > -- > Sylvain > > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and > traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols > are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Am 31.05.2016 um 22:17 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >> Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >>> Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): >>> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ >>> the hackfest is introduced as an annual event. >> >> - Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page. > > I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page: > https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit - Looks fine, thank you, Sylvain. I've edited it a tiny bit to make it a bit more 'personal'. I think when our native speaker(s) has (have) taken a look, both pages can be published. Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Am 31.05.2016 um 22:31 schrieb Martin Owens: > On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 22:17 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote: >> I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I >> started >> translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two >> spaces >> between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English >> prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the >> ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch >> keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, >> enough >> to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason? > > Unless you insert a no-breaking-space () into the document, all > spaces in html are counted as one space. The wysiwyg editor is the only > thing capable of inserting anything more. > > Rule wise, two spaces are not needed, we can always recode two spaces > formatting via code we want it later. A single space should be enough. > > Martin, > The rule stems from old type-writer times, and some of our editors used type-writers before they used computers. It's just a matter of taste, and it's not necessary to remove the double spaces. Just write your new contents as you would normally do. Kind Regards, Maren > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e > > > > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 22:17 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote: > I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I > started > translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two > spaces > between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English > prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the > ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch > keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, > enough > to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason? Unless you insert a no-breaking-space () into the document, all spaces in html are counted as one space. The wysiwyg editor is the only thing capable of inserting anything more. Rule wise, two spaces are not needed, we can always recode two spaces formatting via code we want it later. A single space should be enough. Martin, signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit : > Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >> Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): >> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ >> the hackfest is introduced as an annual event. > > - Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page. I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason? > @Brynn: would you have a look when you can and tell us if you would like > to see any changes to that page? -- Sylvain -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Le 31/05/2016 à 01:03, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
> Great, thank you, Sylvain!
>
> A few suggestions:
>
> - Maybe it's better to use plural in the heading and at the bottom,
> where it says 'can attend the hackfest'?
I agree for the sentence at the bottom. For the heading… I think you're
right too, seeing how the page is written (I didn't see it like that first).
In fact… I think the word ‘hackfest’ should appear more clearly in the
content. Corrected.
> Same goes for the text at the
> bottom that tells us about what the money will be used for when there's
> more than needed for the hackfest - needs to be adapted.
Oh, yes. I adapted it on the French page but I completely forgot to do
it on the English page. I changed two words; not sure I can be more
precise at my position.
> - neither the number of days a hackfest lasts, its co-location with LGM
> or that it only happens once a year are fixed. There have been
> discussions going on about changing any of them, so we should leave
> those concrete data points out, and use something more general ('some
> days', and for the location, maybe leave that out entirely).
Ow. I like generalities and rules.
What do you refer to with ‘the location’? Do you mean I shouldn't write
the place where each hackfest was in the list?
> Would you put those in, Sylvain?
You're talking about your remarks? Yes, changes applied.
Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too):
https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/
the hackfest is introduced as an annual event.
> Brynn (and everyone else), anything else we'd need to make it nicer?
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Great, thank you, Sylvain!
A few suggestions:
- Maybe it's better to use plural in the heading and at the bottom,
where it says 'can attend the hackfest'? Same goes for the text at the
bottom that tells us about what the money will be used for when there's
more than needed for the hackfest - needs to be adapted.
- neither the number of days a hackfest lasts, its co-location with LGM
or that it only happens once a year are fixed. There have been
discussions going on about changing any of them, so we should leave
those concrete data points out, and use something more general ('some
days', and for the location, maybe leave that out entirely).
Would you put those in, Sylvain?
Brynn (and everyone else), anything else we'd need to make it nicer?
Kind Regards,
Maren
Am 30.05.2016 um 22:59 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
> OK, here is a draft for the general page about the Hackfest:
> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest/?edit
> (Note that you must be connected to see it.)
>
> I barely wrote anything actually; mostly removed what was specific to
> this year and moved the sentences for something more generic. I only
> added two sentences with a list in the middle.
>
> Is it enough? I edited the French page symmetrically.
>
> Sylvain
>
> Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit :
>> Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page live?
>>
>> Yes, I can help with proofing.
>>
>> Idea (fwiw)
>> What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing fancy.
>> Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling users
>> which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, Martin
>> didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive
>> donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could be
>> very simplistic description.
>>
>> All best,
>> brynn
>>
>> --
>> From: "Maren Hachmann"
>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM
>> To: "Brynn" ; ;
>> "Sylvain Chiron"
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
>>
>>> Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn:
Hi Everyone,
I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what
it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature
created?
>>>
>>> - No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round
>>> replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're
>>> not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in
>>> general.
>>>
>>> If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with
>>> proofreading?
>>>
>>> I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is
>>> ready.
>>>
>>> There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions
>>> stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version
>>> (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like
>>> these out...).
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Maren
>>>
Thanks,
brynn
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To:
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
> Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
>> - That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
>> page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing.
>> I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
>>
>> If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we
>> can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be
>> inaccessible.
>
> I'm so sorry…
> I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for
> the Hackfest page in English.
> I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear
> everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected
> English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page.
>
>> - Thanks!!!
>
> No more 404.
>
>> - I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just
>> ping
>> Martin or me to get them).
>>
>> Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page
>> is
>> as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's
>> really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom
>> out -
>> the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the
>> check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no
>> entry' sign.
>
> I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the
> right of my computer desktop.
>
