Re: [Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Maren Hachmann]

Hi Victor,

I'm using lokalize for translation of po files for Inkscape.

It offers the option to auto-update a second po file for another
software version (that's one of the reasons I chose to use it, so I
could update translations for the (dropped) 0.91.1 and 0.92 in parallel).
See docs at https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kdesdk/lokalize/lokalize.pdf

It's a KDE app, though, and I don't know if it will run on Windows
(using it on Linux Mint).

Regards,
 Maren

Am 12.10.2016 um 17:04 schrieb Victor Westmann:
> Alexandre,
> you must be probably be right.
> 
> 
> Yuri,
> Thank you. Will check that tool soon.
> 
> 
> 
> Great week everyone!
> 
> 
> 
> --Victor Westmann
> 
> 2016-10-12 7:26 GMT-07:00 Yuri Chornoivan  >:
> 
> середа, 12-жов-2016 11:58:40 Alexandre Prokoudine написано:
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Victor Westmann wrote:
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > are you all sure we can't even do like a DIFF in the 0.91 translation 
> file
> > > and in the 0.92 files?
> >
> > You can, but why would you?
> >
> > To give you an idea, here's what a diff looks like for mere three
> > months of changes in source code:
> >
> > 
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/po/ru.po?id=78db28a71766878ad605dc8
> 
> 
> > b83e6e52fda29c189
> >
> > Note the amount of diff entries where only numbers of code lines
> > change. Now imagine that for 2 years worth of code changes.
> >
> > Alex
> 
> Hi,
> 
> To be honest, there is a tool (poediff) for this in KDE's pology
> (regardless to
> the sense of such diffing):
> 
> http://pology.nedohodnik.net/
> 
> It can even evaluate the efforts (words/chars) needed to update
> translation.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Best regards,
> Yuri
> 
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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Victor Westmann]

Alexandre,
you must be probably be right.


Yuri,
Thank you. Will check that tool soon.



Great week everyone!



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2016-10-12 7:26 GMT-07:00 Yuri Chornoivan :

> середа, 12-жов-2016 11:58:40 Alexandre Prokoudine написано:
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Victor Westmann wrote:
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > are you all sure we can't even do like a DIFF in the 0.91 translation
> file
> > > and in the 0.92 files?
> >
> > You can, but why would you?
> >
> > To give you an idea, here's what a diff looks like for mere three
> > months of changes in source code:
> >
> > https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/po/ru.po?id=78db28a
> 71766878ad605dc8
> > b83e6e52fda29c189
> >
> > Note the amount of diff entries where only numbers of code lines
> > change. Now imagine that for 2 years worth of code changes.
> >
> > Alex
>
> Hi,
>
> To be honest, there is a tool (poediff) for this in KDE's pology
> (regardless to
> the sense of such diffing):
>
> http://pology.nedohodnik.net/
>
> It can even evaluate the efforts (words/chars) needed to update
> translation.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Best regards,
> Yuri
>
> 
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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Yuri Chornoivan]

середа, 12-жов-2016 11:58:40 Alexandre Prokoudine написано:
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Victor Westmann wrote:
> > Guys,
> > 
> > are you all sure we can't even do like a DIFF in the 0.91 translation file
> > and in the 0.92 files?
> 
> You can, but why would you?
> 
> To give you an idea, here's what a diff looks like for mere three
> months of changes in source code:
> 
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/po/ru.po?id=78db28a71766878ad605dc8
> b83e6e52fda29c189
> 
> Note the amount of diff entries where only numbers of code lines
> change. Now imagine that for 2 years worth of code changes.
> 
> Alex

Hi,

To be honest, there is a tool (poediff) for this in KDE's pology (regardless to 
the sense of such diffing):

http://pology.nedohodnik.net/

It can even evaluate the efforts (words/chars) needed to update translation.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,
Yuri

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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Victor Westmann wrote:
> Guys,
>
> are you all sure we can't even do like a DIFF in the 0.91 translation file
> and in the 0.92 files?

You can, but why would you?

To give you an idea, here's what a diff looks like for mere three
months of changes in source code:

https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/po/ru.po?id=78db28a71766878ad605dc8b83e6e52fda29c189

Note the amount of diff entries where only numbers of code lines
change. Now imagine that for 2 years worth of code changes.

Alex

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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Victor Westmann]

Guys,

are you all sure we can't even do like a DIFF in the 0.91 translation file
and in the 0.92 files? I know diffs should only be taken where files are
with exact same source... and in the new version (0.92) we will have new
strings (lots of them)... but even though... meh!

Will try the Virtaal for PO editing and will let you guys know how it went.

Regards,



--Victor Westmann

2016-10-11 8:08 GMT-07:00 Victor Westmann :

> Thank you everyone for advices, tips and suggestions. Will se how we can
> do to make things work more efficiently on my side!
>
> May you all have an amazing week!
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Em terça-feira, 11 de outubro de 2016, Chris Leonard <
> cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Victor Westmann <
>> victor.westm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> how are all of you doing today? :)
>>>
>>> I was just wondering... I'm on a Windows machine, (Windows 7 64 bit) and
>>> I mainly use the paid version of Poedit (I only paid because it is a
>>> software I use for a long time and I believe in contributing money to the
>>> developer).
>>>
>>> But I was just wondering.. is there a more efficient way  you guys
>>> translate your po files for Inkscape project? Is there a way you guys use
>>> translation memory? Is there a way we can get past translations from past
>>> versions of Inkscape and reuse them in the current translation? Preferably
>>> automated way? :)
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>>
>> Victor,
>>
>> You should test out Virtaal for PO editing.
>>
>> http://virtaal.translatehouse.org/
>>
>> It has an excellent translation memory feature, as well as very useful PO
>> quality checks.
>>
>> cjl
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Victor Westmann]

Thank you everyone for advices, tips and suggestions. Will se how we can do
to make things work more efficiently on my side!

May you all have an amazing week!

Kind regards,

Em terça-feira, 11 de outubro de 2016, Chris Leonard <
cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com> escreveu:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Victor Westmann <
> victor.westm...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> how are all of you doing today? :)
>>
>> I was just wondering... I'm on a Windows machine, (Windows 7 64 bit) and
>> I mainly use the paid version of Poedit (I only paid because it is a
>> software I use for a long time and I believe in contributing money to the
>> developer).
>>
>> But I was just wondering.. is there a more efficient way  you guys
>> translate your po files for Inkscape project? Is there a way you guys use
>> translation memory? Is there a way we can get past translations from past
>> versions of Inkscape and reuse them in the current translation? Preferably
>> automated way? :)
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
> Victor,
>
> You should test out Virtaal for PO editing.
>
> http://virtaal.translatehouse.org/
>
> It has an excellent translation memory feature, as well as very useful PO
> quality checks.
>
> cjl
>
>

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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Chris Leonard]

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Victor Westmann 
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> how are all of you doing today? :)
>
> I was just wondering... I'm on a Windows machine, (Windows 7 64 bit) and I
> mainly use the paid version of Poedit (I only paid because it is a software
> I use for a long time and I believe in contributing money to the developer).
>
> But I was just wondering.. is there a more efficient way  you guys
> translate your po files for Inkscape project? Is there a way you guys use
> translation memory? Is there a way we can get past translations from past
> versions of Inkscape and reuse them in the current translation? Preferably
> automated way? :)
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Cheers.
>
>
Victor,

You should test out Virtaal for PO editing.

http://virtaal.translatehouse.org/

It has an excellent translation memory feature, as well as very useful PO
quality checks.

cjl
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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Victor Westmann wrote:

> But I was just wondering.. is there a more efficient way  you guys translate
> your po files for Inkscape project? Is there a way you guys use translation
> memory? Is there a way we can get past translations from past versions of
> Inkscape and reuse them in the current translation?

Victor,

Gettext tools already do that whenever you run intlttool-update
'LANG'. They look for similar messages in English, insert their
translations, and then mark such entries as fuzzy.

However in my experience (15 years, for what it's worth) there's
little help in all that. You do get occasional help from TM, but
mostly you have to heavily edit the outcome. Not worth the bother.

Alex

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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Duarte Ramos]

After some research the only satisfying alternative translation software 
I found besides Poedit was QTLinguist 
. It not that it is very 
good, but its free and mostly equivalent to the former in features. It 
does have nice sorting an status display direclty in the list.


It's part of the QT SDk unfortunately, but I found a few standalone 
releases  so you don't 
have to download the whole multi-megabyte package.
It can translate both PO PT files and also QT based software 
translations, but I don't think It can do all those advanced features 
you mention like fetching past translation. I believe it can use some 
sort of translation memory or at least it has a "Phrasebooks" feature, 
though I'm not sure if it's the same thing.


I'd also like to hear about good alternatives under Windows (preferably 
non install portable ones), as I'm also not totally satisfied with 
neither of my current options



On 10-10-2016 22:03, Victor Westmann wrote:

Hi guys,

how are all of you doing today? :)

I was just wondering... I'm on a Windows machine, (Windows 7 64 bit) 
and I mainly use the paid version of Poedit (I only paid because it is 
a software I use for a long time and I believe in contributing money 
to the developer).


But I was just wondering.. is there a more efficient way you guys 
translate your po files for Inkscape project? Is there a way you guys 
use translation memory? Is there a way we can get past translations 
from past versions of Inkscape and reuse them in the current 
translation? Preferably automated way? :)


Any thoughts?

Cheers.


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Re: [Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Sylvain Chiron]

Hi Victor,

Well, I’m using Poedit on GNU/Linux and I never used the translation
memory. You might try to fill it by importing some data from the web;
that could help you at least for short and frequent strings. But from my
experience on Crowdin and MediaWiki (Translate Wiki), automatic
translation is usually even more interesting.

Happily, I’ve got some taste for that kind of mechanic job, but I agree
it’s a bit hard to produce quality translation with such a dull
environment. It’s a bit like computer code, you see — :P.

My motivation for translation is high anyway, I’d be glad to get some
advice too so the process is more efficient. It seems free software
rarely thinks about style; while that would be efficient to remove some
people’s scorn… Sure, we don’t have as much cash as Adobe. We’re
accepting that our world only allows slow evolutions.

Let’s stop there.

Regards,

Sylvain

Le 10/10/2016 à 23:03, Victor Westmann a écrit :
> Hi guys,
> 
> how are all of you doing today? :)
> 
> I was just wondering... I'm on a Windows machine, (Windows 7 64 bit) and
> I mainly use the paid version of Poedit (I only paid because it is a
> software I use for a long time and I believe in contributing money to
> the developer).
> 
> But I was just wondering.. is there a more efficient way  you guys
> translate your po files for Inkscape project? Is there a way you guys
> use translation memory? Is there a way we can get past translations from
> past versions of Inkscape and reuse them in the current translation?
> Preferably automated way? :)
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> 
> --Victor Westmann
> 
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[Inkscape-translator] Translation memory?

[Victor Westmann]

Hi guys,

how are all of you doing today? :)

I was just wondering... I'm on a Windows machine, (Windows 7 64 bit) and I
mainly use the paid version of Poedit (I only paid because it is a software
I use for a long time and I believe in contributing money to the developer).

But I was just wondering.. is there a more efficient way  you guys
translate your po files for Inkscape project? Is there a way you guys use
translation memory? Is there a way we can get past translations from past
versions of Inkscape and reuse them in the current translation? Preferably
automated way? :)

Any thoughts?

Cheers.


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