Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.4 branch and trunk
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Pas pasthe...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010.03.19. 19:50, la...@garfieldtech.com wrote: On 3/19/10 1:31 PM, Nate Abele wrote: The point is that, for instance, PHP 5.3 was not a trivial upgrade for coders or hosters. Sure it's mostly compatible, and you certainly can write code that works from 5.0-5.3 just fine, and if not then you're probably doing something wrong... but that's most of the PHP code out there right now. :-) And naturally you can't test your code against 5.3 until it's out. Larry, to mitigate this issue, please refer to the exhaustive list of instructions here: http://twitter.com/nateabele/status/10733251789 PLEASE NOTE: This also applies to user-land applications with test suites (and here I'm risking showing my ignorance by blindly assuming Drupal does, in fact, have a test suite). Please see http://snaps.php.net/ and http://qa.php.net/ for more information. Thanks, - Nate Drupal 7 has an extensive test suite, using our own testing framework rather than phpt. (Let's not get into a debate about why that's the case; it's neither here nor there nor would I even be on just one side of it. g) But that's for a high-end project. It doesn't really help the code slingers that happen to have code they threw together that is holding back a hosting company who don't even know what make is. I am not saying people shouldn't be testing code. I'm saying the barrier to entry to testing common code found in the wild on a new release of PHP is higher than you seem to be assuming. --Larry Garfield I think this has something to do with a large part of PHP developers living in a Windows world, where aren't any good test suites (let alone make). PHPUnit is wonderful; installing it is not exactly that enjoyable. Particularly nasty part is getting a working PEAR system on Windows. (Just think of the BAT/CMD scripts :| ) -- Pas -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php It seems that the Implement David's Circular Garbage collection patch was not merged into 5.3, I think it should be a good feature for 5.4 Could you check this old old list, maybe there are other nice left-out patches/ideas to pick up: http://news.php.net/php.internals/32330 Tyrael
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.4 branch and trunk
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: It seems that the Implement David's Circular Garbage collection patch was not merged into 5.3, I think it should be a good feature for 5.4 Uh, yes it was. It's most definitely in 5.3. Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.4 branch and trunk
sorry, my bad. Tyrael On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: It seems that the Implement David's Circular Garbage collection patch was not merged into 5.3, I think it should be a good feature for 5.4 Uh, yes it was. It's most definitely in 5.3. Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug
[PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.4 branch and trunk
The point is that, for instance, PHP 5.3 was not a trivial upgrade for coders or hosters. Sure it's mostly compatible, and you certainly can write code that works from 5.0-5.3 just fine, and if not then you're probably doing something wrong... but that's most of the PHP code out there right now. :-) And naturally you can't test your code against 5.3 until it's out. Larry, to mitigate this issue, please refer to the exhaustive list of instructions here: http://twitter.com/nateabele/status/10733251789 PLEASE NOTE: This also applies to user-land applications with test suites (and here I'm risking showing my ignorance by blindly assuming Drupal does, in fact, have a test suite). Please see http://snaps.php.net/ and http://qa.php.net/ for more information. Thanks, - Nate -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.4 branch and trunk
On 3/19/10 1:31 PM, Nate Abele wrote: The point is that, for instance, PHP 5.3 was not a trivial upgrade for coders or hosters. Sure it's mostly compatible, and you certainly can write code that works from 5.0-5.3 just fine, and if not then you're probably doing something wrong... but that's most of the PHP code out there right now. :-) And naturally you can't test your code against 5.3 until it's out. Larry, to mitigate this issue, please refer to the exhaustive list of instructions here: http://twitter.com/nateabele/status/10733251789 PLEASE NOTE: This also applies to user-land applications with test suites (and here I'm risking showing my ignorance by blindly assuming Drupal does, in fact, have a test suite). Please see http://snaps.php.net/ and http://qa.php.net/ for more information. Thanks, - Nate Drupal 7 has an extensive test suite, using our own testing framework rather than phpt. (Let's not get into a debate about why that's the case; it's neither here nor there nor would I even be on just one side of it. g) But that's for a high-end project. It doesn't really help the code slingers that happen to have code they threw together that is holding back a hosting company who don't even know what make is. I am not saying people shouldn't be testing code. I'm saying the barrier to entry to testing common code found in the wild on a new release of PHP is higher than you seem to be assuming. --Larry Garfield -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.4 branch and trunk
On 2010.03.19. 19:31, Nate Abele wrote: The point is that, for instance, PHP 5.3 was not a trivial upgrade for coders or hosters. Sure it's mostly compatible, and you certainly can write code that works from 5.0-5.3 just fine, and if not then you're probably doing something wrong... but that's most of the PHP code out there right now. :-) And naturally you can't test your code against 5.3 until it's out. Larry, to mitigate this issue, please refer to the exhaustive list of instructions here: http://twitter.com/nateabele/status/10733251789 PLEASE NOTE: This also applies to user-land applications with test suites (and here I'm risking showing my ignorance by blindly assuming Drupal does, in fact, have a test suite). Please see http://snaps.php.net/ and http://qa.php.net/ for more information. Thanks, - Nate Most actively developed apps out there are targeting very recent PHP versions and generally are aware of changes, (especially when it comes to backward incompatibility) and try to emulate features for older versions. (Like get_called_class().) http://qa.drupal.org/ Also, any competent hosting provider allows customers to choose PHP version. (DreamHost for example allow it on a per (sub)domain basis.) -- Pas -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.4 branch and trunk
On 2010.03.19. 19:50, la...@garfieldtech.com wrote: On 3/19/10 1:31 PM, Nate Abele wrote: The point is that, for instance, PHP 5.3 was not a trivial upgrade for coders or hosters. Sure it's mostly compatible, and you certainly can write code that works from 5.0-5.3 just fine, and if not then you're probably doing something wrong... but that's most of the PHP code out there right now. :-) And naturally you can't test your code against 5.3 until it's out. Larry, to mitigate this issue, please refer to the exhaustive list of instructions here: http://twitter.com/nateabele/status/10733251789 PLEASE NOTE: This also applies to user-land applications with test suites (and here I'm risking showing my ignorance by blindly assuming Drupal does, in fact, have a test suite). Please see http://snaps.php.net/ and http://qa.php.net/ for more information. Thanks, - Nate Drupal 7 has an extensive test suite, using our own testing framework rather than phpt. (Let's not get into a debate about why that's the case; it's neither here nor there nor would I even be on just one side of it. g) But that's for a high-end project. It doesn't really help the code slingers that happen to have code they threw together that is holding back a hosting company who don't even know what make is. I am not saying people shouldn't be testing code. I'm saying the barrier to entry to testing common code found in the wild on a new release of PHP is higher than you seem to be assuming. --Larry Garfield I think this has something to do with a large part of PHP developers living in a Windows world, where aren't any good test suites (let alone make). PHPUnit is wonderful; installing it is not exactly that enjoyable. Particularly nasty part is getting a working PEAR system on Windows. (Just think of the BAT/CMD scripts :| ) -- Pas -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.4 branch and trunk
On 2010-03-16, Derick Rethans der...@derickrethans.nl wrote: - Declare 5.2 security fixes only (Something for Ilia to declare). - Declare 5.3 bug fixes only (and ini-mini features if so desired) (Something for Johannes to declare). Once that's done, I'd like to: - Recreate trunk from the 5.3 branch. - the new output buffering mechanism (I can not really see why we would not want this) is there something about that in the wiki? I think a few lines in the wiki about this would be good. - Scott's big number improvements. Scott, can you explain (in an RFC) what exactly this does and how it works? - Ilia's scalar type hint patch. There are RFCs: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/typechecking - traits, there are also RFCs: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/horizontalreuse http://wiki.php.net/rfc/nonbreakabletraits thank you. I agree that we should discuss new additions with proper rfcs before we commit them. in addition to that peopled interested in unicode should get together and discuss how to readd unicode support and in which way to do this. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.4 branch and trunk
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 17:10, David Soria Parra s...@gmx.net wrote: On 2010-03-16, Derick Rethans der...@derickrethans.nl wrote: - Declare 5.2 security fixes only (Something for Ilia to declare). - Declare 5.3 bug fixes only (and ini-mini features if so desired) (Something for Johannes to declare). Once that's done, I'd like to: - Recreate trunk from the 5.3 branch. - the new output buffering mechanism (I can not really see why we would not want this) is there something about that in the wiki? I think a few lines in the wiki about this would be good. I doubt it. Its a rewrite which had to be done to simplify things and fixes several bugs. -Hannes -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
