Re: FAIL!
On 6 April 2010 23:31, Fake Tuomo faketu...@gmail.com wrote: LOL and behold! Let the developer disappear and freetarcy begin! Forks! Project leaders! Managers! More project leaders! Forks! Knives!... But there is no spoon! Too much of the blue pill can do this to a person. Regards, -- Alex
Re: Happy New Year!
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Evgeny Kurbatov evgenykurba...@yandex.ru wrote: Hello, protein life forms! I wish to wish you a good year, a lot of features and a lack of bugs. Be sure of oneself, breath smoothly and fuck all the troubles! When fucking troubles, it's more important to breathe steadily than smoothly. :) Happy new year! Regards, -- Alex
Re: 2.7 (=~e)
On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2002-02-07 - Last release of Ion1 (it never had ds/rc/stable) 2004-02-07 - First stable release of Ion2 2008-02-07 - First stable release of Ion3 2016-02-07 - ? I can't fully blame myself for missing this post in the first place (being in a hospital and not owning a bluetooth-enabled cellphone), but it's congratulations nevertheless! Despite of the disagreements I might have posted against you, I still think I owe you some beer (not having a chance to meet in person back a while ago when I used to live in Finland). :) (Well, I doubt there's a semi-usable non-fascist platform left by then. So much does the present state of FOSS and the course it is taking suck. Although, with enough manpower, it might be possible to write a full OS in eight years. So who's signing up?-) I'm kinda on it for a while now, although not nearly as ready for anything yet. Still, this post gives me sort of an ass kick, therefore I'd like to continue this conversation more subject-wise, like collecting ideas and opinions and with a higher seriousness than that of hey, I'm writing a new operating system, it'll be mostly like linux, except for I'm the author approach that I can possibly call for. Thanks for bringing this up. -- wit beyond measure is man's greatest treasure
Re: BAD signature
On Dec 27, 2007 10:15 AM, Roy Lanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gpg --verify ion-doc-3rc-20071220.tar.gz.asc gpg: Signature made Fri Dec 21 01:50:17 2007 WIT using DSA key ID C004251B gpg: BAD signature from Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Somebody must have put in a tarball with distribution of ion3 that Tuomo *** DOES NOT SUPPORT!11 *** ;) -- wit beyond measure is man's greatest treasure
Re: ion-3rc-20070902
On 9/2/07, Nick Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander Shishkin wrote: On 9/2/07, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This release features a few minor fixes. If no major problems are discovered, this is likely to be the last rc release before the first and hopefully final stable release. Sorry, haven't been following recently (vacation and stuff), but does anybody (Ben?) still keep packaging ion3 for debian? The last version that I see is 20070720-2. It's a little behind at the moment, but yes, he does seem to be. It'll be nice when ion3 is stable for Debian. mod-xinerama-for-ion3 seems to be missing from apt all of a sudden, however. (I know this has nothing to do with Tuomo, though) Yes, mod-xinerama is part of my concern indeed. -- I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
Re: ion-3rc-09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0.tar.gz
On 5/7/07, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having to fix autoconf scripts is the same as having to edit sources, and worse. Having to edit a well-designed Makefile is the same as having to edit a decent (non-XML) configuration file. At least, autoconf deals with cross-compilation while most of those who think that they can write decent makefiles fail to do so. Average software package will require tweaking sources regardless of the build/configuration system it employs. It's about time we agree about what 'linux' stands for. If you prefer to regard any of those modern linux-desktop trends with the term 'linux', I'd disagree. All the distros are the same shit. Some have more WIMPshit and some less. All have the same shitty core software designed for WIMPshit idiot users and the developers (incl. distributors) themselves. Any of this fails to attract my attention in debian, for example. Except, probably the case when I discovered that ion3 no longer does xinerama due to you being somehow upset with xinerama API. Just like you rolled back to an older kernel, I had to roll back to a known-to-work snapshot of ion3. And I do not take that 'mindless consumerism' shit; I can tell what's convenient for me from 4+ years experience with dualhead setups and ion. -- I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
Re: ion-3rc-09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0.tar.gz
On 5/12/07, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-05-12, Alexander Shishkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least, autoconf deals with cross-compilation while most of those who think that they can write decent makefiles fail to do so. If cross-compilation needs more than changing the compiler used and/or its flags, and library/include paths, that system is fucked up. (Alternatively a chroot jail should be used.) How can you tell if malloc(0) in target's C library returns zero or behaves like glibc's, for example? What with 1500 of such little conditional settings? Defining all those in a makefile is what I prefer to call being fucked up. Does ion3 cross-compile at all, btw? Does luac produce 100% architecture-independent bytecode? Any of this fails to attract my attention in debian, for example. Debian is a complex fucked up mess. I'm not a poet, but it still sucks less. Again, the only major concerns of mine (with debian or not) is ion's breakage. You've taken to talk a lot of fud recently, btw. Except, probably the case when I discovered that ion3 no longer does xinerama due to you being somehow upset with xinerama API. Not the API -- there isn't much of it; just that the whole thing is a pointless [1] exercise in mutually incompatible extensions, which combined with ICCCM incompleteness in the nested WM window department, makes it impossible to get working Right. Given this, Oh right, now with xinerama being supported in ion for so many years, you figured out that problem. However, being a mere luser in the context of window management, I don't care since I've never hit any problem with that and now with xinerama support removed my feelings are hurt. the state of the planet, and the general distaste I have for the consumerist culture, I'm not going to waste my time supporting Now you sound like those sinister FOSS people from your previous mails and blog entries. Being asshole towards not-completely-dumb users for no apparent reason (or should I say: a problem that may arise in a galaxy far-far away is not really a convincing reason?). and helping anyone enlarging their penises with multihead configurations. Want to talk about penises? And yes, here in Russia we're totally buried in consumerism. My BMW X5, for instance, has a platinum steering wheel. Convenient or not, I doubt you have a justifiable (to me, not the FOSS herd and other conspicious consumers) need for a multihead setup. I can walk my way to New Zealand sooner than you accept the probability of the fact that you're not 100% right sometimes, let along the xinerama thing. I don't feel like wasting my breath on this any more. -- I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
Re: ion-3rc-09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0.tar.gz
On 5/13/07, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-05-12, Alexander Shishkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every program containing the same slow-to-run, unmaintainable and broken M4 mess to check for those 1500 such little conditions, is what I call fucked up. And for that reason let's have 1500 pieces of software each one with it's own private little clean and simple Makefile. Utter bullshit. Autoconf is an ad hoc solution typical of the FOSS herd and its cherished worse is better fallacy, that is itself worse a problem than the original [1]. That [1] entry is full of fud also. As for autoconf, it's a known and tolerable way to get things done IFF you know what you're doing and don't get bored in 10 minutes just because there's m4 and you can't or won't read it. Nobody really likes it and it's still there. Does ion3 cross-compile at all, btw? Does luac produce 100% architecture-independent bytecode? Luac produces architecture dependent code. So what is fucked up then? Oh right, now with xinerama being supported in ion for so many years, you figured out that problem. However, being a mere luser in the context of window management, I god fed up with the lusers complaining of the problems whilst waving their enlarged penises. How do you tell an enlarged one from a naturally big one? I don't care since I've never hit any problem with that and now with xinerama support removed my feelings are hurt. In case you haven't noticed, someone wrote a module that will VOID SUPPORT if installed. The point is that I did not have to look at how ion works for several years now and I don't even remember what a module is in this context. Now I'll have to dig this again and then install everything by hand once a month. Too complicated for a luser, now that even autoconf is carved out. Yes, and my bicycle has diamond frame. (Seriously, it has.) And owning a bike is a consumer trend there. [1]: http://iki.fi/tuomov/b/archives/2006/07/04/T21_20_46/ Life sucks, and then you die. (C) -- I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
Re: darcs repo problems
On 5/11/07, Evgeny Kurbatov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tuomo Valkonen wrote: At least, maybe, I can preserve a flower on the shores of an expanding sea of shit. We believe in you, Man! You are a knight, a Templar. Hold on! Making fun of someone usually isn't helpful in getting what you want from them. -- I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
Re: ion-3rc-09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0.tar.gz
On 5/7/07, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-05-06, csant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also known as ion-3rc-20070506. There seem to be no darcs changes to pull, and also the online changelog doesn't show the last changes. I'm not going to make it easy for all the forkers... Too much of a codebase to fork anyway. Better go with something lighter. :) -- I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
Re: ion-3rc-09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0.tar.gz
On 5/7/07, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2007-05-07, Alexander Shishkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, cut off the drama, it was you who ripped off 'autoconf shit' from
the rc, wasn't it?
Autoconf is autopain, a solution waiting for a problem... creating a
problem [1]. Clear and simple makefiles are _much_ easier to use.
Errm, isn't that the same as having to edit sources to configure a program?
Again, unless I'm very mistaken (which is fairly unlikely) it was you
who went along the lines of 'me vs {debian,gentoo,whatever} lusers'
some month ago in 'Debian sucks' thread, or was it your special way of
expressing irony towards this kind of attitude in linux?
I never said there aren't lusers and idiot users. There are, a lot
of them. More day by day, as Linux keeps becoming even sorrier
imitation of Windows, and the more of the herd finds it. It's just
It's about time we agree about what 'linux' stands for. If you prefer
to regard any of those modern linux-desktop trends with the term
'linux', I'd disagree.
that there is -- or at least used to be -- a progression of users
of different levels between them and the developers. You could be
a luser wrt. one piece of software while being the developer of
another. The trend in FOSS is either-or: the annihilation of that
progression.
I may be missing something, but what makes you think so?
Ion does not even try to cater for the lusers, and
the distributions doing whatever they will with it, and still
calling it Ion, makes it even harder to help them to become not
lusers.
My impression is that, these days there is much less stupid questions
on this list than there were three years ago, which makes me think
that users tend to become less of lusers, no?
Too much of essential FOSS core software, OTOH, these days
only tries to cater for the developers of that software, and the
lusers.
Can you please be more specific on this point?
--
I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who annoy me.
