Re: [IRCA] A DXers future?
John, Excellent point, small light wire. I use larger light wire for the first 450 feet of the Eastern beverage as there are few supports close together. The wire went through some 120 MPH winds and did not break. The only time it broke is when a tree fell on it and even then the splice at the matching transformer broke, not the wire. I bought #13 stranded copperweld plastic cover stuff from the Wireman a couple years back that has pull strength of 500 pounds. It is great and light in weight too. The old #12 house wiring I used was heavy. I still use it on fence part of the beverage, but supports are 10 feet apart. John, I notice you have the loops with light poles with a cross arm. I wonder if the loops could be installed between the branches of a tree, like the shore pine ones behind my house. That way one could be "hid" Is the "form" really critical? If not, one loop could be put near my neighbors house 150 feet away in the tree and the second behind the house. But doesn't one have to faced East/West and the other North/South? I guess the one by my neighbors could be East West in a tree and the second one behind the house I could try a North/South. But all I want is to get rid of the IBOC QRM to hear Asia & the Pacific better, nulling the East. Any thoughts John? 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A DXers future?
One of the nice things about loops that are only 20 feet onna side, especially triangular ones is that you can use 24 ga. multi-strand Teflon-coated wire or even 26 or 28 ga. The Teflon insulation gives the wire much more strength, is relatively thin, though it is also expensive. The point of using that very thin wire is that you cut down the wind resistance tremendously. I've had the Wellbrook up in Oklahoma on light fishing poles (also low wind resistance) using 28 ga. wire and had no problems at 60 mph...with unguyed poles, even. The other nice thing with small antennas is that, if they break, fixing them is very fast/easy unlike my 70' x100' Big EWEs. I'm convinced that small tough wire is best for small loops. John B At 06:59 PM 9/14/2007 +, you wrote: >Pat, > >If I were to set up two arrays, one would have to be 2 houses down >the street. I could manage one, but would have to get the >permission of the home owners association.to have it up >permanent. It would be to hard to take down every morning and put >back up at night. I would definitely get two arrays if I had the space. > >I would think that if the mast was mounted well, the wires could >take the wind at the coast? > >Dennis, >Vancouver, WA >-- Original message -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick Martin) > > > Dennis, > > > > With the Welbrook arrays spaced 40 meters apart, I am wondering "if" I > > could set them up here and if I could keep them up in the Winter with > > our high winds. > > > > 73, > > > > Patrick > > > > Patrick Martin > > KAVT Reception Manager > > > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of > the original > > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > >___ >IRCA mailing list >IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > >Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the >original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of >the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > >For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > >To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A DXers future?
Dennis, As you may remember the property I use here is long between the houses, but I don't want to put something out there that is easily seen from the street. Behind the house is fine, but my problem is the 35-40 meter spacing of the two loops. I could do it, but not any easy feat. If I could build one in a tree that would be more transparrent then that would work, but building something with PVC pipe would stand out too much. I mainly want a loop system to phase out the East leaving the NW/SW open. If HD Radio gets to be an issue, then why bother with the East? Other than the occasional NE TA signal, the NW/SW woluld be my interest. One problem I do have is my SW EWE is that the pattern is a bit wider than I would like getting too much CA. I may try a West EWE and see if the CA signals drop off more. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A DXers future?
Pat, If I were to set up two arrays, one would have to be 2 houses down the street. I could manage one, but would have to get the permission of the home owners association.to have it up permanent. It would be to hard to take down every morning and put back up at night. I would definitely get two arrays if I had the space. I would think that if the mast was mounted well, the wires could take the wind at the coast? Dennis, Vancouver, WA -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick Martin) > Dennis, > > With the Welbrook arrays spaced 40 meters apart, I am wondering "if" I > could set them up here and if I could keep them up in the Winter with > our high winds. > > 73, > > Patrick > > Patrick Martin > KAVT Reception Manager > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original > contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its > editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A DXers future?
Dennis, Great for you with the ferritte pieces. They have made a big difference. Easy to wrap and to build the boxes. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A DXers future?
Dennis, With the Welbrook arrays spaced 40 meters apart, I am wondering "if" I could set them up here and if I could keep them up in the Winter with our high winds. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A DXers future?
Pat, I was very impressed with Guy's audio clips from Grayland comparing the Wellbrook Phased array to the beverage. The lack of adjacent channel splash on the Wellbrook Phased array was amazing. I wonder what size backyard it would fit into? The loop I have been using really is working well, not was much gain as the Ewe, but less splash and far less noise. I followed your lead Pat and ordered 4 ferrite toroid's from Amidon. Going to make some of them chokes. Dennis, Vancouver, WA ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] A DXers future?
I retitled the subject line, as this has nothing to do with KAST any longer. As I just e mailed another DXer friend, I am moving into more directional antennas here in NW Oregon. I have no idea if my Eastern beverage will do me much good in the future on MW. Time will tell. It "cooks" on the upper frequencies abouve 1200 khz, so it HD becomes an issue on the lower channels (clears), it still might be useable on the regionals in many cases. I have been reading great discussions on other lists of the Wellbrook Phased Array. It is spendy, but it looks like it might be the ticket. The WNW EWE / SW EWEs I have do a great job, but especially on the SW EWE, I get too much HD noise from CA, the Bay Area up here in the mornings. As it gets around LSR, CA is already in daylight, so most of it goes before the TPs fade out up here. But the window of good TP DX is going to get more narrow with the advent of more HD in Northern CA. The WNW EWE puts a beautiful null on the likes of KSL as as it gets towards Winter and the gw extends out where KSL is a problem all day, then directional antennas will be needed more. We all do what we can. But in my case I will continue to work on the patterns of the antennas to try and cut out more domestics. I would love to develop one that would get no domestics, except maybe the locals. But I doubt that could to done. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
