Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-17 Thread Patrick Martin
>>Too bad. They could have kept the 1kw non-DA day and cut to 100 watts
at night, non-DA, and kept that nice fat signal.<<

That would have been nice..1 KW days, and even 500w at nightBut now
most want 10 KW day & night.

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-16 Thread Pete Taylor
Too bad. They could have kept the 1kw non-DA day and cut to 100 watts at night, 
non-DA, and kept that nice fat signal.

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> WVMI 570's license was turned in because of the fact is was a multi tower
> array, expensive and hard to maintain and falling into disrepair as I
> recall.

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-15 Thread Paul B. Walker, Jr.
WVMI 570's license was turned in because of the fact is was a multi tower
array, expensive and hard to maintain and falling into disrepair as I
recall.

WRLL 160 Berwyn/Chicago, IL is the sister to WDDD-AM 810 Johnston
City/Marion, IL..opposite ends of the state. 1690 was originally permitted
down in Johnston City, but was never ever on the air down here.

Paul


On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Steve Francis  wrote:

> The most recent US X-banders all seem to have taken to the air in 2003.
>
> KHPY-1670  Moreno Valley, CA  January
> KTFH-1680  Seattle, WA   testing beginning in March, regular sked in June
> WTNI-1640  Biloxi, MS  April
>
> Then *five* in the last four months of the year, as if some kind of
> final deadline is trying to be beaten:
>
> WSWK-1690  Adel, GA  September
> WRLL-1690  Berwyn, IL  October
> KMMZ-1640  Enid, OK   testing beginning in November, regular sked in
> December
> WBHE-1660  Charlotte, NC  December
> KBIV-1650  El Paso, TX  December
>
> Major city changes since '03 involving getting closer to Pensacola on 1620
> and Atlanta on 1690, but these are still the latest 100% new ones.
>
> Remember how the FCC said that the expanded band station would always carry
> the same city-of-license as the parent station?  Yet we have Gulf Breeze,
> West Sacramento, Fox Farm, Torrance, Jersey City, Canovanas, Dry Branch,
> Ada, Lindenwold, Avondale Estates, Berwyn and Richardson!
>
> This of course is nothing compared to the "requirement" that one license or
> the other would have to be surrendered after the X-bander had been
> broadcasting for five years.  Some did (WVMI-570 Biloxi turned in a
> groundwave goldmine), some didn't.  It beats me.
>
> Steve Francis
> Alcoa, Tennessee
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Martin 
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America <
> irca@hard-core-dx.com>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 5:43 am
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15
>
> Here in my apartment with horrible electrical noise, dx has been almost
> nonexistent this season.  How I have several questions regarding the x-band
> stations.What are the most recent u.s. stations to come on the air?
> Whatever happened to the proposed stations in Farmington NM, and
> Harrisonburg Va?  Also, whatever happened to the Tijuana station on 1630?
> Thanks,
> Doug Martin 
>
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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-15 Thread Steve Francis

The most recent US X-banders all seem to have taken to the air in 2003.

KHPY-1670  Moreno Valley, CA  January
KTFH-1680  Seattle, WA   testing beginning in March, regular sked in June
WTNI-1640  Biloxi, MS  April

Then *five* in the last four months of the year, as if some kind of final 
deadline is trying to be beaten:

WSWK-1690  Adel, GA  September
WRLL-1690  Berwyn, IL  October
KMMZ-1640  Enid, OK   testing beginning in November, regular sked in December
WBHE-1660  Charlotte, NC  December
KBIV-1650  El Paso, TX  December

Major city changes since '03 involving getting closer to Pensacola on 1620 and 
Atlanta on 1690, but these are still the latest 100% new ones.  

Remember how the FCC said that the expanded band station would always carry the 
same city-of-license as the parent station?  Yet we have Gulf Breeze, West 
Sacramento, Fox Farm, Torrance, Jersey City, Canovanas, Dry Branch, Ada, 
Lindenwold, Avondale Estates, Berwyn and Richardson!

This of course is nothing compared to the "requirement" that one license or the 
other would have to be surrendered after the X-bander had been broadcasting for 
five years.  Some did (WVMI-570 Biloxi turned in a groundwave goldmine), some 
didn't.  It beats me.

Steve Francis
Alcoa, Tennessee



-Original Message-
From: Doug Martin 
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 

Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 5:43 am
Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15


Here in my apartment with horrible electrical noise, dx has been almost 
onexistent this season.  How I have several questions regarding the x-band 
tations.What are the most recent u.s. stations to come on the air? 
hatever happened to the proposed stations in Farmington NM, and 
arrisonburg Va?  Also, whatever happened to the Tijuana station on 1630?
hanks,
oug Martin


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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-15 Thread todftscytj7707
1250 ex-KCFI now KDNZ is the rare one that has 1650 KCNZ that still is in 
opetation today. I beleive 1690 Chicago is another one...73 Todd in Woodbury, MN



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>>Here in my apartment with horrible electrical noise, dx has been
almost nonexistent this season. How I have several questions regarding
the x-band stations.What are the most recent u.s. stations to come on
the air? Whatever happened to the proposed stations in Farmington NM,
and Harrisonburg Va? Also, whatever happened to the Tijuana station on
1630? Thanks,<<

There were a lot of X Banders that never came on the air, including my
local KCHT-1700-Astoria. I was hoping the one in NH would come on, but
when I phoned them back several years ago, the GM said they had no
plans. Several stations applied, later to change their minds. I think
the originial plan was to keep the old freq and the new one and a few
managed to do that. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-15 Thread Patrick Martin
>>Here in my apartment with horrible electrical noise, dx has been
almost nonexistent this season. How I have several questions regarding
the x-band stations.What are the most recent u.s. stations to come on
the air? Whatever happened to the proposed stations in Farmington NM,
and Harrisonburg Va? Also, whatever happened to the Tijuana station on
1630? Thanks,<<

There were a lot of X Banders that never came on the air, including my
local KCHT-1700-Astoria. I was hoping the one in NH would come on, but
when I phoned them back several years ago, the GM said they had no
plans. Several stations applied, later to change their minds. I think
the originial plan was to keep the old freq and the new one and a few
managed to do that. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-15 Thread Patrick Martin
The only X Band station I am missing from the U.S. is NC on 1660. I got
the rest all QSL'd, but 1660 being one of the last new ones on the air
and 1660 was filled up by them. Even when KXOL-UT off, al I have IDed is
MI & NJ in recent years. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-15 Thread Patrick Martin
Karl,  the exp station put on by Harris from LA was on 1660 at the NAB
convention in Las Vegas. They did that a couple of times. KUSA was the
calls used one of the times they did it. They also switched 880-KIXI to
IBOC early on during another one of their conventions for the weekend.
There were also tests from 1390 Chicago on X Band on an exp transmitter
with 1 KW. I got that one too. I QSL'd about every time I caught one. 

 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-15 Thread Patrick Martin
KUSA, yes I remember that, also the first IBOC test on KIXI 880 in
Seattle. Thank goodness KIXI did not go IBOC permanantly. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-15 Thread Paul B. Walker, Jr.
The on air trial of a studio and transmitter truck by the US Military was in
1995 and it was KTRK, K Truck, 1670Khz at Fort Meade, Maryland
Here's a sound clip:
http://audio.bostonradio.org/19b6b45e-ab92-11d8-9fd3-00904703287b.ogg

I believe they were 5,000 Watts, using a Harris SX-5 transmitter, as I
recall and some kind of portable AM transmitting antenna.

1680 Philadelphia, as WTMM is/was using AM Stereo I don't know about a
Mandate that they do or not.. I was never clear on that

Paul Walker
www.onairdj.com
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On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Karl Zuk  wrote:

>
> My recollections of the early expanded band:
>
> There was an experimental station that went on the air from a site near Las
> Vegas that served the NAB Convention for a couple of years running on 1620?
> and another experimental station that, I think, went on from California. I
> think I remember that this was a on-air trial of a studio and transmitter
> truck that was designed for use by the US military destined for the Middle
> East. I could hear them every night proving just how jammed up the regular
> AM band must be. Later on, X-band pioneer KCJJ from Iowa became a
> clear-channel regular and I also heard this nightly. They had a music format
> and were heard around the country before the frequency loaded up. Wasn't
> this also the era of the kid's format called Radio Ahhs that originated in
> Minnesota?
>
> Post script: What ever happened to the idea that all extended band stations
> be fitted with AM stereo? How many station still run AM stereo up there?
>  Are any X-banders using IBOC?
>
> Karl  N2KZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: martin-d...@att.net
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:42:32 -0800
>  > Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15
> >
> > Here in my apartment with horrible electrical noise, dx has been almost
> > nonexistent this season. How I have several questions regarding the
> x-band
> > stations.What are the most recent u.s. stations to come on the air?
> > Whatever happened to the proposed stations in Farmington NM, and
> > Harrisonburg Va? Also, whatever happened to the Tijuana station on 1630?
> > Thanks,
> > Doug Martin
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mike Sanburn" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Happy birthday X-Band!! I never got a real logging of 1660 in New
> Jersey
> > > here but their tell-tale carrier was very audible with it's odd fading
> > > pattern. I remember the No Cal station was originally KXBT on 1630
> before
> > > it became KDIA on 1640.Miami Springs FL on 1700 was an easy catch
> here
> > > in Southern CA for a bit as wellms
> > >
> > >> From: mwd...@webtv.net
> > >> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:10:32 -0800
> > >> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15
> > >>
> > >> Wow! 15 years ago. I remember logging them just after they signed on.
> I
> > >> think KDIA CA was second, if I remember correctly.
> > >>
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> > >>
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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-15 Thread Karl Zuk

My recollections of the early expanded band:
 
There was an experimental station that went on the air from a site near Las 
Vegas that served the NAB Convention for a couple of years running on 1620? and 
another experimental station that, I think, went on from California. I think I 
remember that this was a on-air trial of a studio and transmitter truck that 
was designed for use by the US military destined for the Middle East. I could 
hear them every night proving just how jammed up the regular AM band must be. 
Later on, X-band pioneer KCJJ from Iowa became a clear-channel regular and I 
also heard this nightly. They had a music format and were heard around the 
country before the frequency loaded up. Wasn't this also the era of the kid's 
format called Radio Ahhs that originated in Minnesota?
 
Post script: What ever happened to the idea that all extended band stations be 
fitted with AM stereo? How many station still run AM stereo up there?  Are any 
X-banders using IBOC?
 
Karl  N2KZ





 
> From: martin-d...@att.net
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 02:42:32 -0800
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15
> 
> Here in my apartment with horrible electrical noise, dx has been almost 
> nonexistent this season. How I have several questions regarding the x-band 
> stations.What are the most recent u.s. stations to come on the air? 
> Whatever happened to the proposed stations in Farmington NM, and 
> Harrisonburg Va? Also, whatever happened to the Tijuana station on 1630?
> Thanks,
> Doug Martin
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Sanburn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15
> 
> 
> >
> > Happy birthday X-Band!! I never got a real logging of 1660 in New Jersey 
> > here but their tell-tale carrier was very audible with it's odd fading 
> > pattern. I remember the No Cal station was originally KXBT on 1630 before 
> > it became KDIA on 1640.Miami Springs FL on 1700 was an easy catch here 
> > in Southern CA for a bit as wellms
> >
> >> From: mwd...@webtv.net
> >> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:10:32 -0800
> >> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >> Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15
> >>
> >> Wow! 15 years ago. I remember logging them just after they signed on. I
> >> think KDIA CA was second, if I remember correctly.
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >> Patrick Martin
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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-14 Thread Patrick Martin
Gee, so many memories I forgotten about. I remember K-Truck. That was
another great catch. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-14 Thread Patrick Martin
Yes indeed, time marches on. It is hard to believe I have been at the
dials nearly 49 years either. Gee that is 85% of my life as a DXer

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-14 Thread Dave Marthouse
Another interesting factoid about the xband is a short-lived
station called k-truck.  This was a station that was operated by the US
military somewhere in Maryland.  K-truck was a test of a transmitter that
was built by the government to conduct psychological warfare in Bosnia.
Before it was shipped over there they wanted to test it and as a result a
group of volunteers operated it for a few weeks.  The programming consisted
of rock music with announcements.  They solicited input from dxers and
others interested in providing signal and quality reception reports.  I
heard it frequently when I lived in Metuchen New Jersey.  I don't remember
how much power they ran but it was widely heard by dxers around the country
and farther a-field.

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-14 Thread Mike Hawkins
KXBT started on 1640 (logged here on 3/11/1995), switched to 1630 (logged
here on 4/1/1996), then back to 1640 again.  Miami Springs was never easy
here, but in 1997, they were my first new Florida station since 1971.

Mike Hawkins

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Mike Sanburn wrote:

>
> Happy birthday X-Band!! I never got a real logging of 1660 in New Jersey
> here but their tell-tale carrier was very audible with it's odd fading
> pattern. I remember the No Cal station was originally KXBT on 1630 before it
> became KDIA on 1640.Miami Springs FL on 1700 was an easy catch here in
> Southern CA for a bit as wellms
>
> > From: mwd...@webtv.net
> > Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:10:32 -0800
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15
> >
> > Wow! 15 years ago. I remember logging them just after they signed on. I
> > think KDIA CA was second, if I remember correctly.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15 (UK perspective)

2010-11-14 Thread BARRY DAVIES
Great opportunities for this side of the pond for difficult states such as AL & 
MS. Sadly nothing from DE which is still a gap on my USA map after 40 odd years 
hi!





Barry :-) 

--- On Sun, 14/11/10, Patrick Martin  wrote:


From: Patrick Martin 
Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15
To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" 

Cc: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Date: Sunday, 14 November, 2010, 16:57


>>I remember the No Cal station was originally KXBT on 1630 before it
became KDIA on 1640<<

I had forgotten that, even though I do have both freqs QSL'd. A lot of
years have passed. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-14 Thread Nick Hall-Patch
My expanded band story points out how capable the MW band can be, if 
only there wasn't any interference between us and the target station...


1620 was a clear channel prior to expanded band assignments, and 
there was  a period where a station from Argentina was creeping 
through, even in Victoria.  Others had ID'd it, but I hadn't, just a 
weak SS talker for me, but I kept trying.   Then Atmore, AL signed 
on,  and it was relatively huge here (though perhaps not as huge as 
Seattle is now), and that sent my hopes for an Argentinian ID down 
the tubes!  Even when it faded down, it just destroyed the channel 
for "real" DX.  Now of course, Alabama would be real DX on 1620 
(especially as it isn't there anymore, hi)


best wishes,

Nick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-14 Thread Patrick Martin
>>I remember the No Cal station was originally KXBT on 1630 before it
became KDIA on 1640<<

I had forgotten that, even though I do have both freqs QSL'd. A lot of
years have passed. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-14 Thread Mike Hawkins
I logged KUSA/1660 on March 28, 1995.  They were doing some form of
experimental broadcasting with/for/at a NAB show in Las Vegas, and were on
the air for some period of time.  They're long gone now.

Mike Hawkins

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Steve Francis  wrote:

>
> 15 years ago tonight, at 8:20pm EST, Niel Wolfish in Toronto heard a test
> ID from WJDM-1660 in Elizabeth, New Jersey.  DXers in the Eastern and
> Central time zones had been noting tone and music testing since October 10,
> but this was the first report of a voice ID.  Regular sked would begin on
> December 8.  I heard them for the first time on December 14.
>
> I enjoyed making several long-haul catches from Out West the first few
> years of the expanded band, before the frequencies filled up.  Western DXers
> were hearing states such as New Jersey and Florida, some for the first time.
>
> All in all, though, the dreams many of us had for the X-band failed to
> materialize.  Based on what I'd read about band conditions in past decades,
> I was halfway anticipating that if there were, say, three stations on a
> frequency, each with 1kw, they'd be constantly fading in and out with each
> other, the far ones mixing with the near. No real dominant, just like a
> remarkably uncluttered graveyard channel.   In reality, the one or two
> nearest stations are L&C, and the ones on the other side of the continent
> are never heard.  At least, that's the way it's been for me!
>
> Steve Francis
> Alcoa, Tennessee
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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-14 Thread Doug Martin
   Here in my apartment with horrible electrical noise, dx has been almost 
nonexistent this season.  How I have several questions regarding the x-band 
stations.What are the most recent u.s. stations to come on the air? 
Whatever happened to the proposed stations in Farmington NM, and 
Harrisonburg Va?  Also, whatever happened to the Tijuana station on 1630?

Thanks,
Doug Martin

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Sanburn" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15




Happy birthday X-Band!! I never got a real logging of 1660 in New Jersey 
here but their tell-tale carrier was very audible with it's odd fading 
pattern. I remember the No Cal station was originally KXBT on 1630 before 
it became KDIA on 1640.Miami Springs FL on 1700 was an easy catch here 
in Southern CA for a bit as wellms



From: mwd...@webtv.net
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:10:32 -0800
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

Wow! 15 years ago. I remember logging them just after they signed on. I
think KDIA CA was second, if I remember correctly.

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-14 Thread Mike Sanburn

Happy birthday X-Band!! I never got a real logging of 1660 in New Jersey here 
but their tell-tale carrier was very audible with it's odd fading pattern. I 
remember the No Cal station was originally KXBT on 1630 before it became KDIA 
on 1640.Miami Springs FL on 1700 was an easy catch here in Southern CA for 
a bit as wellms

> From: mwd...@webtv.net
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:10:32 -0800
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15
> 
> Wow! 15 years ago. I remember logging them just after they signed on. I
> think KDIA CA was second, if I remember correctly.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> Patrick Martin
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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-14 Thread Patrick Martin
Wow! 15 years ago. I remember logging them just after they signed on. I
think KDIA CA was second, if I remember correctly.

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] The expanded band turns 15

2010-11-13 Thread Colin Newell


On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:56:41 -0500 (EST) Steve Francis  wrote:
>15 years ago tonight, at 8:20pm EST, Niel Wolfish in Toronto heard a test ID 
>from WJDM-1660 in Elizabeth, New Jersey.  DXers in the Eastern and Central 
>time zones had been noting tone and music testing since October 10, but this 
>was the first report of a voice ID.  Regular sked would begin on December 8.  
>I heard them for the first time on December 14.

Is scary how fast time flies...

Was only yesterday when a bearded and 27 year old Nick Hall-Patch showed up
on my doorstep for the first time... was back in early 1976 -
marking the beginning of a "serious phase" of MW Dxing.

Everybody has one of those major "influencer" hobbyists that sets fire to your 
enthusiasm.
Nick was one of those guys.

And for those just joining us... Nick is fine.
I am just reminiscing on some of the good old days. :-)


Colin Newell is the editor and creator of Coffeecrew.com, DXer.ca and 
BobHarris.com Amateur Radio VA7WWV - Victoria B.C. Canada | 
Twitter.com/coffeecrew
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