Re: [IslamCity] Another one of my questions...(smile)

[Ayesha Johnson]

Oh Ok then...Thanks.

>>> "G.Waleed Kavalec" 07/17/05 9:05 PM >>>
Walaikum Salaam

> did you just call me a
> silly muslim?


No, and I apologize for leaving my meaning unclear.

I was trying to illustrate the reaction we (Muslims) get when we try to
tell 
non-Muslims of the limits set by Allah.

WE are seen as "silly Muslims".

Of course, when headlines have death and destruction the adjective
changes 
quickly,.



On 7/15/05, Johnson" <"Ayesha> wrote:
> 
>  Wait, Maybe I didn't read this correctly, but did you just call me
a
> silly muslim? Because I'm trying to understand something? Now maybe
I
> didn't articulate my question properly for you to understand what it
was
> I wanted to say, but their was no reason for name calling. My
> intentions were good and I welcome all comments that are
constructive,
> but we are muslims and there is no need to be harsh. Please correct
me
> if I'm wrong.
> 
> As Salaamu Alaikum.
> 
> >>> "G.Waleed Kavalec" 07/12/05 10:41 PM >>>
> Salaam
> 
> The key is does the person using the knowledge... elevate it? 
> And disregard the One who really decides?
> 
> The Israeli and Hindu on board the NASA shuttle Columbia 
> almost certainly relied entirely on science 
> and remained ignorant of ar-Rahman
> 55:33
> 
> But they learned. 
> 
> Thirty years earlier another NASA astronaut went all the way to the
> Moon, 
> read some scripture to listeners back on Earth, 
> and returned unscathed.
> 
> Unbelievers know the above is just a coincidence being cited out of
> context 
> by a silly Muslim.
> 
> This silly Muslim doesn't think so.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/11/05, Johnson"
> <"Ayesha> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > How can that lead to shirk? It's just that you are relying on an
> > prediction when Allah knows best.
> > 
> > >>> syed-mohsin naquvi 07/09/05 6:27 PM >>>
> > Wa alaykum as-Salam,
> > 
> > I slam is not against knowledge.
> > 
> > What you arwe doing by looking at teh weather channell is that you
> are
> > making use of SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.
> > 
> > How can that lead to SHIRK?
> > 
> > God gave you a brain, you are using it to make your life better.
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > Syed-Mohsin Naquvi 
> > 
> > "Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com  
wrote:
> > As Salaamu Alaikum
> > 
> > Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,
> > 
> > Ok yesterday one of my sister's in islam sent me a e-mail
regarding
> > the
> > Jinn. I forward that to another one of my companions which lead to
a
> > discussion regarding "SHRIK". We were just saying that things that
> we
> > do from day to day can be leading us astray unintentionally. Now
my
> > question to you all is can watching the weather channel be
consider
> > "SHIRK" why or how you might ask because it's kind of based on
> > predictions and them tracking it by the stars or the winds etc.
and
> > some of us actually rely on this from day to day. Even though we
> know
> > that only Allah Knows Best what is to come. 
> > 
> > Please advise
> > 
> > Ayesha
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
>
***
> > {Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e.
Islam)
> > with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and
> fair
> > preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly,
your
> Lord
> > knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best
> Aware
> > of those who are guided.} 
> > (Holy Quran-16:125)
> > 
> > {And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah
> > (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon
His
> > Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and
does
> > righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy
> > Quran-41:33)
> > 
> > The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By
> Allah,
> > if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the
> best
> > types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 
> > 
> > The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also said,
> > "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the
reward
> of
> > the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them
being
> > lessened at all." 
> > [Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn
Maajah]
> 
> >
>
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Re: [IslamCity] Another one of my questions...(smile)

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

Walaikum Salaam

> did you just call me a> silly muslim?


No, and I apologize for leaving my meaning unclear.

I was trying to illustrate the reaction we (Muslims) get when we try to tell non-Muslims of the limits set by Allah.

WE  are seen as "silly Muslims".

Of course, when headlines have death and destruction the adjective changes quickly,.

On 7/15/05, Johnson" <"Ayesha> wrote:




Wait, Maybe I didn't read this correctly, but did you just call me a
silly muslim?  Because I'm trying to understand something? Now maybe I
didn't articulate my question properly for you to understand what it was
I wanted to say, but their was no reason for name calling.  My
intentions were good and I welcome all comments that are constructive,
but we are muslims and there is no need to be harsh.  Please correct me
if I'm wrong.

As Salaamu Alaikum.

>>> "G.Waleed Kavalec"  07/12/05 10:41 PM >>>
Salaam

The key is does the person using the knowledge... elevate it? 
And disregard the One who really decides?

The Israeli and Hindu on board the NASA shuttle Columbia 
almost certainly relied entirely on science 
and remained ignorant of ar-Rahman
55:33

But they learned. 

Thirty years earlier another NASA astronaut went all the way to the
Moon, 
read some scripture to listeners back on Earth, 
and returned unscathed.

Unbelievers know the above is just a coincidence being cited out of
context 
by a silly Muslim.

This silly Muslim doesn't think so.



 On 7/11/05, Johnson"
<"Ayesha> 
wrote:
> 
>  How can that lead to shirk? It's just that you are relying on an
> prediction when Allah knows best.
> 
> >>> syed-mohsin naquvi 07/09/05 6:27 PM >>>
> Wa alaykum as-Salam,
> 
> I slam is not against knowledge.
> 
> What you arwe doing by looking at teh weather channell is that you
are
> making use of SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.
> 
> How can that lead to SHIRK?
> 
> God gave you a brain, you are using it to make your life better.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Syed-Mohsin Naquvi 
> 
> "Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com <
http://yahoo.com> wrote:
> As Salaamu Alaikum
> 
> Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,
> 
> Ok yesterday one of my sister's in islam sent me a e-mail regarding
> the
> Jinn. I forward that to another one of my companions which lead to a
> discussion regarding "SHRIK". We were just saying that things that
we
> do from day to day can be leading us astray unintentionally. Now my
> question to you all is can watching the weather channel be consider
> "SHIRK" why or how you might ask because it's kind of based on
> predictions and them tracking it by the stars or the winds etc. and
> some of us actually rely on this from day to day. Even though we
know
> that only Allah Knows Best what is to come. 
> 
> Please advise
> 
> Ayesha
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
***
> {Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam)
> with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and
fair
> preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your
Lord
> knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best
Aware
> of those who are guided.} 
> (Holy Quran-16:125)
> 
> {And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah
> (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His
> Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does
> righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy
> Quran-41:33)
> 
> The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By
Allah,
> if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the
best
> types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 
> 
> The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also said,
> "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward
of
> the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being
> lessened at all." 
> [Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah]

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Re: [IslamCity] Another one of my questions...(smile)

[Ayesha Johnson]

Wait, Maybe I didn't read this correctly, but did you just call me a
silly muslim?  Because I'm trying to understand something? Now maybe I
didn't articulate my question properly for you to understand what it was
I wanted to say, but their was no reason for name calling.  My
intentions were good and I welcome all comments that are constructive,
but we are muslims and there is no need to be harsh.  Please correct me
if I'm wrong.

As Salaamu Alaikum.

>>> "G.Waleed Kavalec"  07/12/05 10:41 PM >>>
Salaam

The key is does the person using the knowledge... elevate it? 
And disregard the One who really decides?

The Israeli and Hindu on board the NASA shuttle Columbia 
almost certainly relied entirely on science 
and remained ignorant of ar-Rahman
55:33

But they learned. 

Thirty years earlier another NASA astronaut went all the way to the
Moon, 
read some scripture to listeners back on Earth, 
and returned unscathed.

Unbelievers know the above is just a coincidence being cited out of
context 
by a silly Muslim.

This silly Muslim doesn't think so.



 On 7/11/05, Johnson"
<"Ayesha> 
wrote:
> 
>  How can that lead to shirk? It's just that you are relying on an
> prediction when Allah knows best.
> 
> >>> syed-mohsin naquvi 07/09/05 6:27 PM >>>
> Wa alaykum as-Salam,
> 
> I slam is not against knowledge.
> 
> What you arwe doing by looking at teh weather channell is that you
are
> making use of SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.
> 
> How can that lead to SHIRK?
> 
> God gave you a brain, you are using it to make your life better.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Syed-Mohsin Naquvi 
> 
> "Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com  wrote:
> As Salaamu Alaikum
> 
> Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,
> 
> Ok yesterday one of my sister's in islam sent me a e-mail regarding
> the
> Jinn. I forward that to another one of my companions which lead to a
> discussion regarding "SHRIK". We were just saying that things that
we
> do from day to day can be leading us astray unintentionally. Now my
> question to you all is can watching the weather channel be consider
> "SHIRK" why or how you might ask because it's kind of based on
> predictions and them tracking it by the stars or the winds etc. and
> some of us actually rely on this from day to day. Even though we
know
> that only Allah Knows Best what is to come. 
> 
> Please advise
> 
> Ayesha
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
***
> {Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam)
> with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and
fair
> preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your
Lord
> knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best
Aware
> of those who are guided.} 
> (Holy Quran-16:125)
> 
> {And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah
> (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His
> Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does
> righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy
> Quran-41:33)
> 
> The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By
Allah,
> if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the
best
> types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 
> 
> The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also said,
> "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward
of
> the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being
> lessened at all." 
> [Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah]

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Re: [IslamCity] Another one of my questions...(smile)

[Ayesha Johnson]

Masha'Allah thank you for your comment.

>>> syed-mohsin naquvi  07/13/05 12:25 AM >>>
The prediction is based on scientific knowledge.
 
Weather physics is subject like any other subject in science.
 
I don't see any shirk in this.
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
Syed-Mohsin Naquvi

"Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com wrote:
How can that lead to shirk?  It's just that you are relying on an
prediction when Allah knows best.

>>> syed-mohsin naquvi  07/09/05 6:27 PM >>>
Wa alaykum as-Salam,

I slam is not against knowledge.

What you arwe doing by looking at teh weather channell is that you are
making use of SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.

How can that lead to SHIRK?

God gave you a brain, you are using it to make your life better.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Syed-Mohsin Naquvi 

"Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com wrote:
As Salaamu Alaikum

Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,

Ok yesterday one of my sister's in islam sent me a e-mail regarding
the
Jinn.  I forward that to another one of my companions which lead to a
discussion regarding "SHRIK".  We were just saying that things that we
do from day to day can be leading us astray unintentionally.  Now my
question to you all is can watching the weather channel be consider
"SHIRK" why or how you might ask because it's kind of based on
predictions and them tracking it by the stars or the winds etc.  and
some of us actually rely on this from day to day.  Even though we know
that only Allah Knows Best what is to come.  

Please advise

Ayesha





***
{Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam)
with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair
preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your
Lord
knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware
of those who are guided.} 
(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah
(believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His
Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does
righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy
Quran-41:33)

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By
Allah,
if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best
types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said,
"Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of
the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being
lessened at all." 
[Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah] 
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{Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam)
with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair
preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord
knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware
of those who are guided.} 
(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah
(believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His
Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does
righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy
Quran-41:33)

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah,
if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best
types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said,
"Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of
the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being
lessened at all." 
[Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah] 
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Re: [IslamCity] Another one of my questions...(smile)

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

Salaam

The key is does the person using the knowledge... elevate it?  
And disregard the One who really decides?

The Israeli and Hindu on board the NASA shuttle Columbia 
almost certainly relied entirely on science 
and remained ignorant of ar-Rahman 55:33

But they learned.  

Thirty years earlier another NASA astronaut went all the way to the Moon, 
read some scripture to listeners back on Earth, 
and returned unscathed.

Unbelievers know the above is just a coincidence being cited out of context by a silly Muslim.

This silly Muslim doesn't think so.



On 7/11/05, Johnson" <"Ayesha> wrote:




How can that lead to shirk?  It's just that you are relying on an
prediction when Allah knows best.

>>> syed-mohsin naquvi  07/09/05 6:27 PM >>>
Wa alaykum as-Salam,
 
I slam is not against knowledge.
 
What you arwe doing by looking at teh weather channell is that you are
making use of SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.
 
How can that lead to SHIRK?
 
God gave you a brain, you are using it to make your life better.
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
Syed-Mohsin Naquvi 

"Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com wrote:
As Salaamu Alaikum

Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,

Ok yesterday one of my sister's in islam sent me a e-mail regarding
the
Jinn.  I forward that to another one of my companions which lead to a
discussion regarding "SHRIK".  We were just saying that things that we
do from day to day can be leading us astray unintentionally.  Now my
question to you all is can watching the weather channel be consider
"SHIRK" why or how you might ask because it's kind of based on
predictions and them tracking it by the stars or the winds etc.  and
some of us actually rely on this from day to day.  Even though we know
that only Allah Knows Best what is to come.  

Please advise

Ayesha





***
{Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam)
with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair
preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord
knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware
of those who are guided.} 
(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah
(believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His
Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does
righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy
Quran-41:33)

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah,
if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best
types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said,
"Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of
the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being
lessened at all." 
[Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah] 
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***
{Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam)
with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair
preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your
Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best
Aware of those who are guided.} 
(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah
(believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His
Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does
righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy
Quran-41:33)
 
The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah,
if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best
types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said,
"Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of
the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being
lessened at all." 
[Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, 

Re: [IslamCity] Another one of my questions...(smile)

[syed-mohsin naquvi]

The prediction is based on scientific knowledge.
 
Weather physics is subject like any other subject in science.
 
I don't see any shirk in this.
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
Syed-Mohsin Naquvi"Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com wrote:
How can that lead to shirk?  It's just that you are relying on anprediction when Allah knows best.>>> syed-mohsin naquvi  07/09/05 6:27 PM >>>Wa alaykum as-Salam,I slam is not against knowledge.What you arwe doing by looking at teh weather channell is that you aremaking use of SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.How can that lead to SHIRK?God gave you a brain, you are using it to make your life better.Thank you.Sincerely,Syed-Mohsin Naquvi "Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com wrote:As Salaamu AlaikumBismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,Ok yesterday one of my sister's in islam sent me a e-mail regardingtheJinn.  I forward that to another one of my companions which lead to adiscussion regarding "SHRIK".  We were just saying that things that wedo from day to
 day can be leading us astray unintentionally.  Now myquestion to you all is can watching the weather channel be consider"SHIRK" why or how you might ask because it's kind of based onpredictions and them tracking it by the stars or the winds etc.  andsome of us actually rely on this from day to day.  Even though we knowthat only Allah Knows Best what is to come.  Please adviseAyesha***{Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam)with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fairpreaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lordknows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Awareof those who are guided.} (Holy Quran-16:125){And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah(believes in His Oneness)," and
 then stands straight (acts upon HisOrder), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and doesrighteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (HolyQuran-41:33)The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah,if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the besttypes of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said,"Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward ofthe one who follows him, without the reward of either of them beinglessened at all." [Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah] --All views expressed herein belong to the individuals concerned and donot in any way reflect the official views of IslamCity unless sanctionedor approved otherwise. If your mailbox clogged with
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 also said, "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being lessened at all." [Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah] --All views expressed herein belong to the individuals concerned and do not in any way reflect the official views of IslamCity unless sanctioned or approved otherwise. If your mailbox clogged with mails from IslamCity, you may wish to get a daily digest of emails by logging-on to http://www.yahoogroups.com to change your mail delivery settings or email the moderators at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wit

Re: [IslamCity] Another one of my questions...(smile)

[Mohammed Irfanullah]

Assalamalaikum brother and sister in islam
Shirk is not just to see
shirk is that which joins in pray with God (Allah) 
like going  to Dargah( or any waliullah grave) and asking for food or son or any thing 
this is also a shirk, getting knowledge is not shirk but to belive in advance prediction from astrologer is also a shirk because no one knows the knowledge in advance for anything not life not death not food or anything in world or thereafter Everything is in hands of Allah.If any one want more details there are so many sites which are based on Quran and Sunnah visit these sites and read it for more information in English and other languages.
 
www.ahya.org
www.quransunnah.com
www.ahlulhadeeth.net
www.allaahuakbar.net
www.islam-qa.com
 
 
Please visit these site for more knowledge and read it with reference and verify it with Quran and Sunnah and then except or rejection is on you.
 May Allah show all of us right path to success
 
Jazakallah khair.[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Wa alaykum as-Salam,
 
I slam is not against knowledge.
 
What you arwe doing by looking at teh weather channell is that you are making use of SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.
 
How can that lead to SHIRK?
 
God gave you a brain, you are using it to make your life better.
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
Syed-Mohsin Naquvi "Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com wrote:
As Salaamu AlaikumBismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,Ok yesterday one of my sister's in islam sent me a e-mail regarding theJinn.  I forward that to another one of my companions which lead to adiscussion regarding "SHRIK".  We were just saying that things that wedo from day to day can be leading us astray unintentionally.  Now myquestion to you all is can watching the weather channel be consider"SHIRK" why or how you might ask because it's kind of based onpredictions and them tracking it by the stars or the winds etc.  andsome of us actually rely on this from day to day.  Even though we knowthat only Allah Knows Best what is to come.  Please adviseAyesha***{Invite (mankind, O Muhammad )
 to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.} (Holy Quran-16:125){And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy Quran-41:33)The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah, if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said, "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being
 lessened at all." [Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah] --All views expressed herein belong to the individuals concerned and do not in any way reflect the official views of IslamCity unless sanctioned or approved otherwise. If your mailbox clogged with mails from IslamCity, you may wish to get a daily digest of emails by logging-on to http://www.yahoogroups.com to change your mail delivery settings or email the moderators at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the title "change to daily digest". 


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 one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said, "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being lessened at all." [Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah] --All views expressed herein

Re: [IslamCity] Another one of my questions...(smile)

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

Walaikum asalaam

If you see that you are saving $10 out of every week's paycheck are
you commiting taghut or shirk to say "inshallah, at the end of the
year I will have enough to go on Hajj..."?

No... it is just math.

Wealth or weather, the same principle applies: we apply our knowlege
as best we can and then leave it to Allah.




On 7/7/05, Johnson" <"Ayesha> wrote:
>  As Salaamu Alaikum
>  
>  Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,
>  
>  Ok yesterday one of my sister's in islam sent me a e-mail regarding the
>  Jinn.  I forward that to another one of my companions which lead to a
>  discussion regarding "SHRIK".  We were just saying that things that we
>  do from day to day can be leading us astray unintentionally.  Now my
>  question to you all is can watching the weather channel be consider
>  "SHIRK" why or how you might ask because it's kind of based on
>  predictions and them tracking it by the stars or the winds etc.  and
>  some of us actually rely on this from day to day.  Even though we know
>  that only Allah Knows Best what is to come.  
>  
>  Please advise
>  
>  Ayesha
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
>  ***
>  {Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with
> wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair preaching,
> and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who
> has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are
> guided.} 
>  (Holy Quran-16:125)
>  
>  {And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah (believes
> in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and]
> invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and
> says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy Quran-41:33)
>  
>  The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah, if
> Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of
> camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 
>  
>  The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said, "Whoever
> calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who
> follows him, without the reward of either of them being lessened at all." 
>  [Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah] 
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(i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair preaching, and argue 
with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone 
astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.} 
(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah (believes in 
His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites 
(men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I 
am one of the Muslims."} (Holy Quran-41:33)
 
The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah, if 
Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of 
camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said, "Whoever 
calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who 
follows him, without the reward of either of them being lessened at all." 
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Re: [IslamCity] Another one of my questions...(smile)

[Ayesha Johnson]

How can that lead to shirk?  It's just that you are relying on an
prediction when Allah knows best.

>>> syed-mohsin naquvi  07/09/05 6:27 PM >>>
Wa alaykum as-Salam,
 
I slam is not against knowledge.
 
What you arwe doing by looking at teh weather channell is that you are
making use of SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.
 
How can that lead to SHIRK?
 
God gave you a brain, you are using it to make your life better.
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
Syed-Mohsin Naquvi 

"Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com wrote:
As Salaamu Alaikum

Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,

Ok yesterday one of my sister's in islam sent me a e-mail regarding
the
Jinn.  I forward that to another one of my companions which lead to a
discussion regarding "SHRIK".  We were just saying that things that we
do from day to day can be leading us astray unintentionally.  Now my
question to you all is can watching the weather channel be consider
"SHIRK" why or how you might ask because it's kind of based on
predictions and them tracking it by the stars or the winds etc.  and
some of us actually rely on this from day to day.  Even though we know
that only Allah Knows Best what is to come.  

Please advise

Ayesha





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{Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam)
with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair
preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord
knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware
of those who are guided.} 
(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah
(believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His
Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does
righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy
Quran-41:33)

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah,
if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best
types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said,
"Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of
the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being
lessened at all." 
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with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone 
astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.} 
(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah (believes in 
His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites 
(men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I 
am one of the Muslims."} (Holy Quran-41:33)
 
The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah, if 
Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of 
camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said, "Whoever 
calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who 
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Re: [IslamCity] Another one of my questions...(smile)

[syed-mohsin naquvi]

Wa alaykum as-Salam,
 
I slam is not against knowledge.
 
What you arwe doing by looking at teh weather channell is that you are making use of SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY.
 
How can that lead to SHIRK?
 
God gave you a brain, you are using it to make your life better.
 
Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
 
Syed-Mohsin Naquvi "Ayesha Johnson"@yahoo.com wrote:
As Salaamu AlaikumBismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Rahim,Ok yesterday one of my sister's in islam sent me a e-mail regarding theJinn.  I forward that to another one of my companions which lead to adiscussion regarding "SHRIK".  We were just saying that things that wedo from day to day can be leading us astray unintentionally.  Now myquestion to you all is can watching the weather channel be consider"SHIRK" why or how you might ask because it's kind of based onpredictions and them tracking it by the stars or the winds etc.  andsome of us actually rely on this from day to day.  Even though we knowthat only Allah Knows Best what is to come.  Please adviseAyesha***{Invite (mankind, O Muhammad )
 to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'an) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.} (Holy Quran-16:125){And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy Quran-41:33)The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah, if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said, "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being
 lessened at all." [Muslim, Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, an-Nasaa'ee, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Maajah] --All views expressed herein belong to the individuals concerned and do not in any way reflect the official views of IslamCity unless sanctioned or approved otherwise. If your mailbox clogged with mails from IslamCity, you may wish to get a daily digest of emails by logging-on to http://www.yahoogroups.com to change your mail delivery settings or email the moderators at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the title "change to daily digest". 
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(Holy Quran-16:125)

{And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allah (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."} (Holy Quran-41:33)
 
The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "By Allah, if Allah guides one person by you, it is better for you than the best types of camels." [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim] 

The prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)  also said, "Whoever calls to guidance will have a reward similar to the reward of the one who follows him, without the reward of either of them being lessened at all." 
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