Re: [ITCENTER] Cegah Brute Force di Halaman Login

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik JimBeam
On 6/10/07, Acho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Lho.. anda menganggap saya tdk bisa mengerti ide orang lain, lha gimana
 mau
 ngerti, anda ngga bisa jelasin dgn bener apa alasannya captcha ga bisa
 dipakai untuk mencegah BFA, anda cuma bisa bilang tidak bisa. Sedangkan
 saya, sudah kasih penjelasan teknis, mas syafril juga sudah ngasih
 screenshoot, trus saya kasih juga url yg relevan, tp anda malah begini.
 Sekarang siapa yg tidak bisa mengerti ide orang lain?


hehe iya deh mas acho...

well, itu kan asumsi anda saja attacker-nya ngga bisa menebak captcha nya.
ingat captcha itu ditampilin ke layar anda, jawabannya ada di layar anda
juga. ngga seperti password yg key-nya tersimpan di server.

coba baca ini:
Neural networks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neural_networkhave been used
with great success to defeat CAPTCHAs as they are generally
indifferent to both
affinehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affine_transformationand
non-linear transformations. As they learn by example rather than
through
explicit coding, with appropriate
toolshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_network_softwarevery
limited technical knowledge is required to defeat more complex
CAPTCHAs.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha#Computer_character_recognition)

sehebat apapun neural networks itu, kalo yg namanya password tetap saja dia
harus menemukan key yg tepat.

apa yg saya bilang: penggunaan captcha bukan utk mencegah BFA
it's as exact as mathematics, as exact as: 1+1=2.
it's still valid for the next 100years.

apa yg anda bilang: captcha bisa digunakan utk mencegah BFA
it comes with the assumption that the machine can NEVER solve the captcha.
it comes with the assumption that todays machines cannot perform the
calculation quick enough
to get the right combination of: possible keys of password * possible keys
of captcha
(again, with the assumption that the machine can never solve the captcha).

nah, anda bisa bilang: kalau gitu gw design aja captcha yg ga bakal bisa
ditembus oleh mesin.
saya cuman bisa nanya: how complex do you want the captcha to be?
selama ini saja saya uda beberapa kali salah menebak captcha karena bentuk
hurufnya yg ngga jelas.
gimana kalo di design yg super kompleks?

kompleksitas captcha ada batasnya. ingat captcha itu utk membedakan manusia
dan mesin. kalau
manusia ngga men-solve captcha itu, sama aja boong-nya kan?

btw, mas acho, kalo saya sih ngga berani nyimpan value captcha di cookies.

Jeam Beam ini lucu sekali, saya tanya, malah saya disuruh googling, giliran
 saya googling dan dapet buktinya kalo captcha bisa digunakan untuk BFA,
 dia
 malah ngomong saya ngga rugi kl anda ngga percaya...  ngga beda jauh
 sama
 ferry setiawan yg bilang saya mah orang bodo pak..

 lalu kemana argumen anda yg selama ini...?? kenapa jeam? sulit mengakui
 kesalahan? grow up dude.. be a gentleman!


utk yg ini saya ga perlu comment deh...

saya cuman ada satu pesan:
you're welcome to attack my idea, but don't get personal. it would be an
ugly scene.

saya mulai menyentuh personal juga itu lantaran syarifl mulai menyentuh
personal.
kalau anda perhatikan tulisan saya, ngga ada satupun yg menyentuh personal
anda.
mengenai intelligence itu, itu bukan ditujukan ke anda.

Sekarang siapa yg inteligensinya tidak cukup? yang bisa menjelaskan dan
 membawa bukti ke forum atau yg cuma bisa bilang mau percaya boleh, ngga
 percaya juga ngga apa2..


no comments

Bagi orang yg tidak gentle yg tidak mau mengakui kesalahannya, beginilah
 caranya mengakhiri debat, cukup mengalihkan kemasalah lain.. kalau mau
 mengutip perkataan mas Ryo Yang begini mau minta gaji gede??

 Ya kalo anda sudah ngga mampu nerusin debat ini ya sudah, ngga apa2. Ga
usah

 anda paksakan, kalo memang anda cuma tau segitu aja ya udah, silahkan
 baca2
 url yg saya kasih tadi untuk menambah wawasan anda. OK.. Jeam?


:-)


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[ITCENTER] Re: Blue Screen/Not Responding saat Install Windows XP

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik vaijho
dear ms. Putra
seperti saran yang sudah diberikan dari rekan yang laen, terutama
adalah spek kompi-nya kurang jelas... :D
troubleshoot yang telah dilakukan, sepertinya sudah hampir menyeluruh.
hanya karena ketidak-jelasan spek kompinya :D tolong mas Putra cek itu
CDRom speednya berapa? mohon dicoba dengan menggunakan speed yang 48X
keatas.

semoga membantu :)
terima kasih, salam.

  
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From: Grand Zah Putra 
To: ITCENTER@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:58 PM
Subject: [ITCENTER] Blue Screen/Not Responding
  saat Install Windows XP
  
  
Dear teman IT..
  
Kenapa ya komputer gw Blue Screen pas saat install
  Windows XP ? Blue screen of death ini ga bisa
  diprediksikan. Kadang-kadang saat penginstallan
  tinggal 30 minutes lagi, kadang2 20 minutes, dst.
Oh iya, kalo ga blue screen, tuh pc not
  responding, artinya si penghitung menitnya udah ga
  gerak-gerak lagi alias ga brubah...mo ditunggu ampe
  seharian juga, tetep aja...
Troubleshoot yg udh prnah gw coba :
a.. Gw coba minjem RAM dengan spesifikasi yg sama
  ke PC yg sehat, ternyata SAMA AJA!
b.. Gw coba install pake harddisk yg laen
  (asumsinya Bad Sector), ternyata SAMA AJA!
c.. CD Installernya gw udh pke beberapa macem
  (asumsinya CD-nya jelek/baret/etc), mulai yg ORI
  ampe yg BAJAKAN, mulai XP non SP ampe SP2, ternyata
  SAMA AJA!
d.. Gw coba pinjem CD-ROM yg msh bagus ke PC yg
  sehat, ternyata SAMA AJA!
e.. Gw coba pake POWER SUPPLY yg laen (asumsinya
  PS ga bener), ternyata SAMA AJA!
f.. PC gw tuh temperaturenya NORMAL bgd..ga
  panas..maklum..gw pake beberapa FAN  sirkulasi
  udara sangat baik.
g.. Tegangan listrik OK banget...udah dicek
  koq...tapi pake AVOMETER, bukan pake tangan..hehe...
Yg belum pernah gw coba, LEMBIRU doank..hehhe..
  
Thanks bwt bantuannya...
  
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[ITCENTER] [ Please Ignore ] Test Coba Kirim

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik dhobong
Beberapa kali saya coba reply email tapi saya perhatikan ngga pernah 
masuk ya ...


-just test


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Re: [ITCENTER] Re: license

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Effendy Kho
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On Saturday 09 June 2007 09:15, ademayem.damai wrote:
 wah, tawaran pertama kenapa langsung ke tender?

 kapan saya bisa pinternya nih?

 kalau ndak salah forum ini tujuan utamanya untuk sharing ilmu antar
 anggota ... rasanya saya lebih memilih untuk berusaha dulu dengan
 bertanya kepada para pakar IT yang ada di sini.

 ada yang bisa kasih saran ndak, kalau mau pakai linux, distro apa yang
 sebaiknya saya gunakan untuk fungsi server? dengan client yang campur-
 campur, sebagian besar masih pakai windows ( XP ), sebagian fedora,
 sebagian lagi ubuntu.

 regards

 adem ayem

Kembali ke CLI AND GUI hehehehe,
Biasanya kalau Linux dijadikan sebagai server, GUI nya tidak diinstall, jadi 
kebanyakan server linux jalan tanpa GUI.

Administrator server Linux biasanya melakukan admistrasi server dengan CLI 
secara remote pakai SSH. Sehingga kalau punya server colocation di US, Eropa, 
gitu uenak benar adminnya, dgn bandwidth yang pas2an saja udah cukup buat 
nge-remote. Apalagi kalau punya bw gede.

Nah karena perbedaan satu distro dengan distro lainnya kebanyakan di GUI nya,  
mau pakai distro linux apa saja utk server bisa dibilang sama saja.
Jadi yang perlu dipelajari bukan distronya tapi mau dijadiin server apa? 
Email? PDC? File Server? Firewall? Web server?
Kalau email ya pelajari Qmail atau Postfix nya mungkin, Web server ya pelajari 
cara konfigurasi Apache nya misalnya.
(Konfigurasi semua aplikasi linux biasanya hanya mengedit text file, jadi 
hanya dibutuhkan text editor seperti vi)
Mungkin belajar cara compile kernel linuxnya supaya benar2 sesuai kebutuhan 
untuk dijadikan server apa gitu sehingga se-ringan mungkin.
Googling dengan keyword HOWTO x biasanya banyak mendapat petunjuk.

Jadi kalau mau jadi admin server linux yang happy, ya belajar lah CLI nya.
Langkah pertama coba install linux tanpa GUI nya. :-)

Oh ya, ati2 ya ngak semua distro linux itu bisa dipakai seenak kita, baca 
lisensinya, ada distro kelas enterprise (ini sebenarnya cuman bahasa 
marketing doang) yang kita harus bayar per server per tahun, tahun ke dua 
ngak bayar bisa ilegal. Ilegal bukan karena melanggar lisensi GPL tapi ilegal 
karena melanggar trade mark orang. 
Jadi membayar setiap tahun untuk mempergunakan trademark dan mendapat support, 
bukan membayar untuk memakai software GPL. 
Contohnya Binari Redhat Enterprise mengandung software GPL dan Trademark 
Redhat.

Kalau terpesona sama distro dgn embel2 enterprise, bisa coba pakai CentOS 
(www.centos.org), CentOS itu mengambil source code GPL dari Redhat Enterprise 
yang di compile lagi menjadi binari yang bebas dari trademark Redhat tentu 
saja tanpa support dari Redhat juga.


salam,

Ase

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Re: Re[2]: [ITCENTER] Ingin Cerai Saja denngan Windows Vista...

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik - InBoX -
Duh, mohon maaf nggih Pak Bakti ... :) 
 
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From: bAKT
Date: 6/9/2007 10:51:59 AM
To: - InBoX -
Subject: Re[2]: [ITCENTER] Ingin Cerai Saja denngan Windows Vista...
 
Kagem -,

di x2 3600+ dan x550, masih cukup nyaman tuh. Rasanya gak ada yg
namanya uninstall os, kecuali format baru/

*tolong ya, p0tong kutipan yg agak perlu, apalagi gak nyambung
topiknya.

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Friday, June 8, 2007, 2:38:36 PM, Sampeyan nyerat:

 Idem rekan2. setuju banget 
 
 ---Original Message---
 
 From: Irman Oktavian
 Date: 06/08/07 21:37:57
 To: ITCENTER@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [ITCENTER] Ingin Cerai Saja denngan Windows Vista...
 
 Semakin hari rsanya makin tertekan batin dengan
 windows vista di laptop saya , rasanya sudah tidak
 tahan lagi 

 Ada yang bisa bantu saran ?
 Uninstal nya
 Bagaimana ya?

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  - hanyalah tulisan, anda tidak akan pernah tahu
 pengirim email
  menulis sambil marah, sedih, mengumpat,
 mencaci dsb.
  - belum tentu mewakili emosi si penulis,
 emoticon pun mungkin
  tak membantu, bisa saja emoticon sedih tapi
 pengirim email menulisnya sambil
  terkekeh-kekeh.
  - mungkin saja salah ketik, seperti kena
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[ITCENTER] minta petunjuk.....

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik diego tristan2004
pagi abg2 dan kakak2 sekalian
sebelumnya saya minta izin dari bapak moderator untuk menyampaikan keluhan saya 
ini, karena saya binggung banget gimana solusi nya..
oh iya abang2 dan kakak2 nich aq masalah nich, aq binggung nich mas buat 
nentuin judul skripsi aq nanti,kira2 mnurut abg2 dan kakak2 judul skripsi yang 
cocok tentang jaringan gimana nya, kmudian apa aja yang harus di 
pelajarin:-)

sebelumnya than'x banget nya buat pak moderator dan abg2 dan kakak sekalian ... 
:-)

 
salam persahabatan
horas... menjuah juah kita kerina
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Hal: [ITCENTER] Re: System Alert dari SpyLocked

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik ari rise
Waduh mas ini bukannya kasih solusi...
Tapi gak apa2.. saya sudah dapat sendiri jalan keluarnya..
Ternyata memang ini masalah yang dialami oleh banyak orang.. bukan saya saja..
 
Jalan keluarnya lihat saja di 
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic85376.html;
Sekedar buat informasi saja untuk yang lain..

Trims..

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Topik: [ITCENTER] Re: System Alert dari SpyLocked









  



Makanya jangan bikin dosa mulu donlotin film yg saru2 LoL



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 Teman2,

 

 Komputer di rumah terinfeksi sesuatu yang mengatakan komputer

terkena trojan berbahaya dan seterusnya.

 Selalu muncul ikon berkedip2 di notifikasi bar System Alert, mirip

seperti windows update.

 ketika di klik selalu link ke http://www.spylocke d.com/?aff= 334.

 

 Bagaimana ya cara menghilangkannya.

 

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[ITCENTER] FW: Compatible Windows Vista

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Indra_Yusuf
Dari milis sebelah.

Saya berencana beli laptop compaq Core 2 Duo paket dengan
windows vista home basic. mau nya saya ganti windows
dengan windows vista home premium (rekomendasi)
Yang ditanyakan :
1. Apakah Compatible dengan software bajakan,
   mis : office 2003, Photoshop, Corel dsb
2. Apakah Compatible dengan hardware sbb:
   Blototh Billionton, printer Canon Pixma 1000 
   Scanner Microtek 5800
3. Apakah CD Recovery bawaan bisa berfungsi setelah 
   windows vista home basic (bawaan),di hapus  
   diganti dengan windows vista home premium ?
4. Apakah perbedaan Windows Vista sbb :
   a. windows vista Starter
   a. windows vista home basic
   b. windows vista home premium
   c. windows vista Business 
   d. windows vista Ultimate

 


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[ITCENTER] USB Bermasalah, Help !!!!

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik zack im
Komputerku Mobo Asus P5GL-X punya masalah USB. Kalo pake USB untuk
Hardisk external, Flaskdisk tak masalah. Tapi kalo dipake ke printer,
mouse, dan peralatan laen tak bisa. Not recognize Eh ada beberapa
flask disk juga kagak bisa. Kenapa ya...? Tolong pencerahan. System
Windows Xp SP2 Jan 2007.



 

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Re: [ITCENTER] Numpang tanya Harga Notebook

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Arti Hikmatullah Perbawana Sakti Buana
jadi pengen nanya, kalo nebeng nanya harga handphone bisa engga ya disini?
gw kebelet ama i300 nya samsung, apa ada yang punya harga barunya sktr
1,5jt-an?
atw adanya berapa seh?
Chriesna Harjoni wrote:

 Thanks a lot buat informasinya :) harga nya dari bhineka selisih jauh
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Re: [ITCENTER] Ingin Cerai Saja denngan Windows Vista...

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik senno pati
saran saya siy.. kalo kita punya komputer untuk kerja apa lagi untuk
dijadiin pacul cari duit ;) jangan instal OS yang baru diluncurin. Tunggu
dulu lebih kurang 2 thn stlh stabil baru ganti karena udah banyak yang pake
dan h/wnya udah mendukung banget.
Pengalaman saya ganti os dari win2000 ke winxp lebih dari 2 thn.


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[ITCENTER] Re: Cegah Brute Force di Halaman Login

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik debby
--- In ITCENTER@yahoogroups.com, Slamet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 Sharing donk klo ingin mencegah Brute Force pada halaman login,
kira-kira
 teknik yg baik gimana ya..?, apakah kita cegah dgn memblok IP
Addressnya,
 namun klo diblok IPnya kan msh bs pake IP anonymouse (CMIIW), gimana
 ya cara yg lumayan ok, utk mencegah brute force di halaman login...?
 
 ThxRgds
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heehee... aku ga tau, aku malah mau tanya neeh... brute force apaan ya??
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Balasan: [ITCENTER] Saran Aja

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Deny Sylvania
Ya baiklah, saya terima saran anda, dan terima kasih atas sarannya. saya juga 
minta MAAF atas segala kesalahan atau kekeliruan dalam kalimat tanya?? 
atau kesalahan yang lainnya.
   
   
   
  Deny.


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[ITCENTER] Himbauan bagi pemilik warnet di semarang yang belum punya legalitas OS bulan juni sampai agustus 07

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik bayu argi
http://www.media-indonesia.com/berita.asp?id=133565

Himbauan ini ditujukan bagi para pengguna warnet. Demi
tetap berlangsungnya kehidupan para warnet langganan
anda, maka ada beberapa hal yang perlu di perhatikan
oleh pengguna warnet:

Jangan pernah meminta Warnet untuk menyediakan
Perangkat lunak berikut: 
1.Adobe PhotoShop 
2.Corel Draw 
3.Microsoft Office 
4.AutoCAD 
dan SEMUA aplikasi yang mahal sehingga memaksa Warnet
membajak demi anda karena tidak mungkin membelinya. 
Mintalah Aplikasi Free Open Source Software ( FOSS )
seperti: 
1.Browser Mozilla Firefox 
2.Gaim/Pidgin messanger 
3.Open Office 
4.Clam Antivirus 
5.Linux OS 
dan semua aplikasi berbasis FOSS, karena tidak akan
memberatkan warnet, sehingga warnet juga bisa terjamin
kelangsungan hidupnya. 
Jangan mengakses Pornografi di Warnet, karena sisa
akses anda yang tersimpan di komputer warnet bisa
dijadikan Polisi sebagai alasan warnet tersebut
memberikan akses pornografi. 
Himbauan ini terutama bagi para Dosen, Pengajar,
Pelajar dan Mahasiswa:  berhentilah bergantung kepada
Aplikasi Propietary, terutama pada Aplikasi Office dan
Grafis, sebab ini lah komponen aplikasi yang termahal.
 Ketergantungan anda pada aplikasi propietary telah
berakibat buruk pada dunia usaha warnet, dan dunia
usaha lainnya.




   

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RE: [ITCENTER] Himbauan bagi pemilik warnet di semarang yang belum punya legalitas OS bulan juni sampai agustus 07

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Albert Siagian
 -Original Message-
 From: ITCENTER@yahoogroups.com 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bayu argi
 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:18 PM
 To: ITCENTER@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [ITCENTER] Himbauan bagi pemilik warnet di semarang 
 yang belum punya legalitas OS bulan juni sampai agustus 07
 
 dan SEMUA aplikasi yang mahal sehingga memaksa Warnet 
 membajak demi anda karena tidak mungkin membelinya. 


Masa sih? Yakin semua warnet tidak mungkin mampu beli. Kok anda bisa kasih
jaminan seperti itu?


 Mintalah Aplikasi Free Open Source Software ( FOSS )
 seperti: 


Kalau mau jadi pencinta FOSS, belajar lah dulu mengenal istilah yang benar.
Kan 2 hari lalu sudah di beri tahu, FOSS itu adalah Free AND Open Source.


 1.Browser Mozilla Firefox
 2.Gaim/Pidgin messanger
 3.Open Office
 4.Clam Antivirus
 5.Linux OS


Di Windows, nomor 1 ada Mozilla Firefox. Nilai investasi NOL RUPIAH.

Di Windows, nomor 2 ada Pidgin Messenger. Nilai investasi NOL RUPIAH.

Di Windows, nomor 3 ada OpenOffice.org. Nilai investai NOL RUPIAH.

Di Windows, nomor 4 ada Clam Antivirus dan Comodo Anti virus. Nilai
investasi NOL RUPIAH.


Jadi yang mahal itu cuma di 1 item, Operating System. Anda menyebarkan
kebohongan tuh...


Tulisan anda itu sama dengan yang ditulis member di milis ini, membandingkan
harga software 2 juta, dengan harga 0 rupiah. Jaka sembung bawa golok
dong...


Salam
Albert



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RE: [ITCENTER] Himbauan bagi pemilik warnet di semarang yang belum punya legalitas OS bulan juni sampai agustus 07

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Albert Siagian
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert Siagian
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 semarang yang belum punya legalitas OS bulan juni sampai agustus 07
 
 Kalau mau jadi pencinta FOSS, belajar lah dulu mengenal 
 istilah yang benar.
 Kan 2 hari lalu sudah di beri tahu, FOSS itu adalah Free AND 
 Open Source.
 



Ralat sediki, maksudnya Free AND Open Source Software, daripada nanti ada
yang protes lagi...:-)

Salam
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Re: [ITCENTER] Re: Blue Screen/Not Responding saat Install Windows XP

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik bAKT
Kagem vaijho,

sepertinya juga yg belum diganti prosesor dan motherboard nya . .:p


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Sunday, June 10, 2007, 5:02:21 AM, Sampeyan nyerat:

 dear ms. Putra
 seperti saran yang sudah diberikan dari rekan yang laen, terutama
 adalah spek kompi-nya kurang jelas... :D
 troubleshoot yang telah dilakukan, sepertinya sudah hampir menyeluruh.
 hanya karena ketidak-jelasan spek kompinya :D tolong mas Putra cek itu
 CDRom speednya berapa? mohon dicoba dengan menggunakan speed yang 48X
 keatas.

 semoga membantu :)
 terima kasih, salam.

  
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Subject: [ITCENTER] Blue Screen/Not Responding
  saat Install Windows XP
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Re[2]: [ITCENTER] Ingin Cerai Saja denngan Windows Vista...

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik bAKT
Kagem senno,

gak perlu selama itulah, tergantung kita menyikapi.
saya pindah system os 9 klasic ke osx, juga begitu saja. karena
komputer baru langsung dengan os terbaru.
Cuma syukur didalemnya masih ada emulasi os clasic untuk aplikasi lama
.:P
agak rugi kalo kita dapet komputer baru dengan os lama, beli lagi
tentu biaya tambahan lagi. apalagi banyakan sekarang juga bundlenya
sudah vista.

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 saran saya siy.. kalo kita punya komputer untuk kerja apa lagi untuk
 dijadiin pacul cari duit ;) jangan instal OS yang baru diluncurin. Tunggu
 dulu lebih kurang 2 thn stlh stabil baru ganti karena udah banyak yang pake
 dan h/wnya udah mendukung banget.
 Pengalaman saya ganti os dari win2000 ke winxp lebih dari 2 thn.


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Re: [ITCENTER] Cegah Brute Force di Halaman Login

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Acho
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From: JimBeam
To: ITCENTER@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ITCENTER] Cegah Brute Force di Halaman Login


well, itu kan asumsi anda saja attacker-nya ngga bisa menebak captcha nya.
ingat captcha itu ditampilin ke layar anda, jawabannya ada di layar anda
juga. ngga seperti password yg key-nya tersimpan di server.

Justru disitulah letak keamanan captcha, dia ditampilkan di layar berupa 
image, artinya : hanya manusia yang bisa membaca image itu, bukan mesin. BFA 
dilakukan oleh mesin, so.. buat kesimpulan aja dari situ..




coba baca ini:
Neural networks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neural_networkhave been used
with great success to defeat CAPTCHAs as they are generally
indifferent to both
affinehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affine_transformationand
non-linear transformations. As they learn by example rather than
through
explicit coding, with appropriate
toolshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_network_softwarevery
limited technical knowledge is required to defeat more complex
CAPTCHAs.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha#Computer_character_recognition)
===
Saya udah baca, malah semua referensi anda mendukung statement saya. ini 
saya kutip diantaranya :

A CAPTCHA is a type of challenge-response test used in computing to 
determine whether the user is human. CAPTCHA is an acronym for Completely 
Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart, 
trademarked by Carnegie Mellon University. A CAPTCHA involves one computer 
(a server) which asks a user to complete a test. While the computer is able 
to generate and grade the test, it is not able to solve the test on its own. 
Because COMPUTERS ARE UNABLE  to solve the CAPTCHA, any user entering a 
correct solution is presumed to be human.

Jelas dikatakan disini bahwa Computers are unable to solve captcha.



A CAPTCHA system is an automated means of generating new challenges which 
current COMPUTERS ARE UNABLE to accurately solve, but most humans can solve 
[3]. A CAPTCHA does not rely on the attacker never having seen the given 
type of CAPTCHA before. For example, a checkbox check here if you are not a 
bot might serve to distinguish between humans and computers, it is not a 
CAPTCHA because it relies on the fact that an attacker has not spent effort 
to break that specific form. To be a CAPTCHA, a system must be able to 
automatically generate new challenges that require artificial intelligence 
techniques to solve.

disini dijelaskan, kalaupun komputer/bot berusaha menebak captcha, dia hanya 
punya kesempatan satu kali menebak, karena captcha akan selalu berganti baru 
setiap diload. Beda dengan password yg tidak akan berubah, sehingga computer 
punya banyak kesempatan untuk menebak. Andai saja Captcha itu ngga 
berganti-ganti barulah komputer bisa menebaknya, itupun tetap lebih susah 
karena harus menebak image bukan menebak character.



sehebat apapun neural networks itu, kalo yg namanya password tetap saja dia
harus menemukan key yg tepat.
=
Begitupula dengan captcha, harus tepat juga dong. Malah lebih susah captcha 
karena bentuknya image dan selalu berganti-ganti. sedangkan pasword, berupa 
satu kata yg tdk berubah-ubah dan ada di dalam database. Ingat, justru lebih 
banyak cara menjebol database !! bisa lewat sql-injection  dsb.



apa yg saya bilang: penggunaan captcha bukan utk mencegah BFA
it's as exact as mathematics, as exact as: 1+1=2.
it's still valid for the next 100years.

Ngga ada satu paragraf pun dari referensi anda yang menyimpulkan begitu. 
Silahkan tunjukkan ke saya, bagian mana?



apa yg anda bilang: captcha bisa digunakan utk mencegah BFA
it comes with the assumption that the machine can NEVER solve the captcha.
it comes with the assumption that todays machines cannot perform the
calculation quick enough
to get the right combination of: possible keys of password * possible keys
of captcha
(again, with the assumption that the machine can never solve the captcha).

kalau constrain anda kaya gini, ya ngga ada ujung nya. Teorinya nya memang 
ga ada jaringan yg 100% aman, tapi bukan berarti ngga ada solusi. Kalo terus 
berpatokan kaya gitu, ya sekalian ngga usah ada aja security, toh nantinya 
bisa dijebol. Anda mau berfikiran ky gini?



nah, anda bisa bilang: kalau gitu gw design aja captcha yg ga bakal bisa
ditembus oleh mesin.
saya cuman bisa nanya: how complex do you want the captcha to be?
selama ini saja saya uda beberapa kali salah menebak captcha karena bentuk
hurufnya yg ngga jelas.
gimana kalo di design yg super kompleks?
=
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Re: [ITCENTER] tanya ASP dong

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik snydez
saya biasanya sih buka recordset pake option 1, 3
curson dengan option 1,3 bisa scrolling ke first, movenext, last, moveprev

rs.open STRSQL, conn, 1, 3

kalo gak pake option 1,3 kemungkinan cursornya keyset, jadi gak bisa
scrolling

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 rekan milist saya mau tanya tentang ASP,program yang saya buat adar error
 spt ini : ADODB.Recordset error '800a0cb3'
   Current Recordset does not support bookmarks. This may be a limitation
 of the provider or of the selected cursortype.
   DODB.Recordset error '800a0cb3'   Current Recordset does not support
 bookmarks. This may be a limitation of the provider or of the selected
 cursortype.

   help yaa.
   thx



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RE: [ITCENTER] VPN Dial Telkomsel.

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Mephri Muhammad
Mohon maaf. Sepertinya ada beberapa posting saya yang masuk lebih dari satu
kali. Sedang ada masalah di SMTP server yang saya pakai.
 
So, gak ada yang bisa bantu saya nih?
 
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From: ITCENTER@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Mephri Muhammad
Sent: 08 Juni 2007 7:19
To: ITCENTER@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ITCENTER] VPN Dial Telkomsel.



Masih mengenai VPN nih. Tapi sebelumnya saya perkenalkan diri dulu selaku
anggota baru milis ini. Nama saya Mephri (laki-laki). Saya sudah
berkecimpung di dunia komputer (secara profesional) selama kurang lebih 10
tahun. Fokus saya adalah rekayasa perangkat lunak.

Yang ingin saya tanyakan adalah, apakah ada diantara rekan-rekan di milis
ini yang tahu/punya pengalaman/punya informasi mengenai produk VPN Dial dari
Telkomsel? Yang saya butuhkan selain fitur produknya juga sedikit rincian
mengenai teknologi VPN yang diterapkan. Karena seperti kita tahu belum ada
standar yang baku untuk istilah VPN ini. Atas bantuannya saya ucapkan terima
kasih.

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Re: [ITCENTER] Himbauan bagi pemilik warnet di semarang yang belum punya legalitas OS bulan juni sampai agustus 07

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Effendy Kho
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On Sunday 10 June 2007 18:04, Albert Siagian wrote:
 
  Kalau mau jadi pencinta FOSS, belajar lah dulu mengenal
  istilah yang benar.
  Kan 2 hari lalu sudah di beri tahu, FOSS itu adalah Free AND
  Open Source.

 Ralat sediki, maksudnya Free AND Open Source Software, daripada nanti ada
 yang protes lagi...:-)

 Salam
 Albert

hehehe bukan protes, cuman biar definisi yang dipakai sama gitu.
Mudah2an teman2 ngak bosan ya,

Istilah FOSS itu mungkin dibuat utk kompromi antara kubu Free Software dan 
kubu Opensource.
Definisi dari FOSS mungkin bisa mengacu ke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS

Dari gnu.org
Open Source?
Another group has started using the term open source to mean something close 
(but not identical) to free software. We prefer the term free software 
because, once you have heard that it refers to freedom rather than price, it 
calls to mind freedom. The word open never refers to freedom. 

Jadi solusi warnet? pakailah Freeware + FOSS + Proprietari yg legal (sebagai 
solusi terakhir kalau memang ngak ada Freeware/FOSS pengganti) 

salam,

Ase


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Re: [ITCENTER] Himbauan bagi pemilik warnet di semarang yang belum punya legalitas OS bulan juni sampai agustus 07

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Steph
Saya Mau E_mail ke Linuxindo dikirim kemana ya pak ?
Bapak dari Linuxindo ? beberapa hari yang lalu saya ada kirim email ke 
linuxindo tetapi tidak yakin apakah sampai atau tidak karena tidak ada balasan.
Buat yang lain maaf setelah ini saya akan japri ke email yang saya maksudkan. 
Thanks
Thanks.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Effendy Kho 
  To: ITCENTER@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [ITCENTER] Himbauan bagi pemilik warnet di semarang yang belum 
punya legalitas OS bulan juni sampai agustus 07


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Kalau mau jadi pencinta FOSS, belajar lah dulu mengenal
istilah yang benar.
Kan 2 hari lalu sudah di beri tahu, FOSS itu adalah Free AND
Open Source.
  
   Ralat sediki, maksudnya Free AND Open Source Software, daripada nanti ada
   yang protes lagi...:-)
  
   Salam
   Albert

  hehehe bukan protes, cuman biar definisi yang dipakai sama gitu.
  Mudah2an teman2 ngak bosan ya,

  Istilah FOSS itu mungkin dibuat utk kompromi antara kubu Free Software dan 
  kubu Opensource.
  Definisi dari FOSS mungkin bisa mengacu ke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS

  Dari gnu.org
  Open Source?
  Another group has started using the term open source to mean something close 
  (but not identical) to free software. We prefer the term free software 
  because, once you have heard that it refers to freedom rather than price, it 
  calls to mind freedom. The word open never refers to freedom. 

  Jadi solusi warnet? pakailah Freeware + FOSS + Proprietari yg legal (sebagai 
  solusi terakhir kalau memang ngak ada Freeware/FOSS pengganti) 

  salam,

  Ase

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Re: [ITCENTER] Numpang tanya Harga Notebook

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Malik
Bagaiamana kalo' lihat disini :
http://www.ponseljakarta.com/iklan/samsung/i300gsm.htm

Salam,
Malik Mt

Arti Hikmatullah Perbawana Sakti Buana wrote:
 jadi pengen nanya, kalo nebeng nanya harga handphone bisa engga ya disini?
 gw kebelet ama i300 nya samsung, apa ada yang punya harga barunya sktr
 1,5jt-an?
 atw adanya berapa seh?
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Re: [ITCENTER] Re: license

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Adi Nugroho
On Saturday 09 June 2007 10:15, ademayem.damai wrote:
 kapan saya bisa pinternya nih?

Setelah mencoba menginstalnya di komputer anda, dan terus mencobanya selama 8 
jam sehari selama 3 bulan. Dijamin pinter :-)

Ehem, maksud saya, gimana mau pintar berenang kalau takut nyemplung?
3 bulan praktek berenang lebih berhasil guna daripada 3 tahun kursus tertulis 
tentang berenang :)

 ada yang bisa kasih saran ndak, kalau mau pakai linux, distro apa yang
 sebaiknya saya gunakan untuk fungsi server? dengan client yang campur-
 campur, sebagian besar masih pakai windows ( XP ), sebagian fedora,
 sebagian lagi ubuntu.

Pake apa aja boleh.
Saran saya, coba saja semua.
Ada distro yang dirancang untuk gampang diinstal
Ada distro yang dirancang untuk gampang digunakan
Ada distro yang dirancang untuk gampang ditambah/dikurangi sopwernya
Ada distro yang dirancang untuk gampang di-admin
dst, dst.

8 jam sehari x 3 bulan cukup untuk mencoba puluhan distro, hehehe

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Re: [ITCENTER] Cegah Brute Force di Halaman Login

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik JimBeam
hehe jadi ingat gaya debatnya si jubah hitam.
mirip bener...

uda deh kita sudahin saja sampai disini.
member yg ada disini akan bisa menilai sendiri dan
mengambil yg baik dari diskusi ini.

*just wondering who's the one should grow up*

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Re: [ITCENTER] Tanya fgets() pada PHP..?

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Slamet
Many many thx ya mas Syarifl and mas Aryo, saya akan coba ide ini...:)
Rgds
S


Pada tanggal 09/06/07, SYARIFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis:

   iya saya salah, mohon maaf atas kesalahan saya, terima kasih untuk Mas
 Aryo
 atas koreksinya.

 On 6/9/07, Aryo Sanjaya [EMAIL PROTECTED] aryo%40aryosanjaya.net
 wrote:
 
  Kalo menurutku, buffer itu untuk per baris.
  Jadi meski buffernya 4096, kalo tiap baris isinya 5 huruf, ya cuma
  terbaca 5 huruf plus \n untuk setiap kali fgets

 ...del..

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[ITCENTER] Gabungkan speedy?help

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Ctrl+Alt+Del
hi all, 
saya mau tanya apakah ada yang sudah pernah gabung 2
koneksi speedy, jika sudah ada yang pernah
menggabungkan apa keuntungan dan kerugiannya? koneksi
semakin oke atau sebaliknya? dan perangkat apa saja
yang dibutuhkan untuk gabungkan 2 speedy ini
,terimakasih seblum dan sesudahnya.


  
 
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Re: [ITCENTER] project accounting system

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Franky Gosal
Coba review ACCURATE di www.cpssoft.com :)

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   Boleh juga neh pake istilah beauty contest ,
 Kebetulan kami ada software untuk accounting, SOP sudah sesuai dengan SAK.
 Sangat mudah di gunakan, bahkan untuk orang yang tidak mengerti
 accounting, menggunakan bahasa Indonesia.

 Selain software Accounting kami juga ada software untuk pemerintahan dan
 rumah sakit, sebagian besar software kami menggunakan MySql dan Php.

 Kalo berminat saya bisa kirimkan demonya.

 go go go Open Source .
 atakanehiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] atakanehiro%40yahoo.com wrote:
 Guys, perusahaan gw (domisili jakarta selatan) mo ganti system
 accounting. Modulenya masih kepisah-pisah. Sekarang rencananya mo
 dibikin yang integrated. Berhubung it-nya cuman sebiji, jdnya gw ajuin
 aja biar diadakan beauty contest.
 Ada yang bisa ato punya pengalaman buat system accounting perusahaan
 jasa gak?. Ato mungkin referensi software house yang kira-kira bisa
 bikinnya.
 Standardnya sih bikin program GL, cuman ada beberapa modul yang kita
 mauin. Bahasa program terserah, yang penting bisa client server.

 bagi yang berminat, japri dulu aja kesini.

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[ITCENTER] jual monitor (CRT) 17 IBM ex.S'pore - 50 unit

2007-06-10 Terurut Topik Jantje Januardi
Dear all,

 

Saya ada stock monitor IBM (CRT) 17 ex.S'pore - 50 unit.

 

Harga 700rb pe buah, kalau minat  ambil banyak bisa nego.

 

Silahkan japri ke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

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