[JAWS-Users] Jaws announcing imbedded object
Hello all, Since I updated my jaws to 14 jaws is alerting me to imbedded objects. I have an online book and almost every other line there is an imbedded object, so you can see how it announcing it all the time would get on my nerves. Please help me figure out how to turn off the announcing of imbedded objects. Sincerely, Ryan West For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] email clients
This is the first I have heard of anybody finding a status line in WLM, very interesting thank you. Personally I have not looked at the program for over a year at least. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:14 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] email clients David: on my Win7 Toshiba if if in Windows Live Mail, I press JAWSkey+PageDown, the read status line, I get the usual status line information, number of unread messages in the folder I'm in, etc. It could be the vews people are using that enable or disable this. - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] email clients > You can use live mail from XP forward. So far as issues are concerned > that > is another matter, but they aren't operating system specific so far as > I am > aware, it's the program itself that has problems like no status line > the > last I heard. > > > David Ferrin > Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the > ones > that mind don't matter. > > -Original Message- >>From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] >>On > Behalf Of Marilyn Walker > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:17 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? > > David, so, if I upgrade to win 7, I can use windows live mail without > issues? Or should I just go to win 8, use windows live mail and move > on > with my life? I'm beginning to think that I need a masters in > computer > science to send e mails to my friends! It is ridiculous to confront > choices > like this without enough information. And I've been on line with jaws > since > miy first computer which was windows 95. It just keeps getting worse > and > worse. Marilyn > - Original Message - >>From: "David Ferrin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:09 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? > > > : Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and > then > : promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and > it can > be > : enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys > to > your > : registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the > files ETC > : are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have > service > : pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To > be > : honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware > but > that > : does not mean there won't be future issues to come. > : > : A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should > not > be > : done by a beginner". > : David Ferrin > : Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and > the ones > : that mind don't matter. > : > : -Original Message- > : From: JAWS-Users-List > [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > : Behalf Of Marilyn Walker > : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM > : To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? > : > : SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that > Outlook > : Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do > : complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and > whistles. > : However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to > upgrade my > : operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am > still > : using v 12 because it works best. > : I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know > anyone > : locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will > just wait > : and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get > shoved > : into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn > : - Original Message - > : From: "Sugar" > : To: > : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM > : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? > : > : > :: Marilyn > :: I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really > thinkging > :: of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have > not > :: converted. > :: My desk top is xp though > :: mostly because I love love outlook express. > :: now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and > : windows > :: 7? > :: besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook > is > now > :: what I would use,right? > :: any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous > Sugar > :: smile > :: > :: ~Peace Be, Sugar > :: "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." > :: > :: ~~ Galileo > :: - Original Mess
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jumbled forms
You may want to go from field to field with f. this would mean that everytime you entered info, you would hit escape to exit forms mode. Also, you could use the arrow keys to go from field to field without forms mode on. Go to the top, and see where the edit box is in relationship to the first label. You can keep trak of the form a little better that way. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Suey Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:06 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jumbled forms I am trying to fill in a payment form on a website and jaws is getting all jumbled up. This happened with jaws 12 but I assumed that 14 would be better. As I tab from one edit box to another either using E, F, or just tabbing, the labels are getting all mixed up and it is taking me round in circles rather than down the form one by one. It is also repeating boxes that I have already filled in rather than telling me which box exactly I am in. Does anybody else have this problem? Would using a different browser help? I am using the latest version of internet explorer. Any help appreciated! For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jumbled forms
Hi, It's hard to know for sure, but when I'm using IE and have trouble, I switch to Firefox and often get better results. Good luck, Shari - Original Message - From: "Suey" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:06 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jumbled forms I am trying to fill in a payment form on a website and jaws is getting all jumbled up. This happened with jaws 12 but I assumed that 14 would be better. As I tab from one edit box to another either using E, F, or just tabbing, the labels are getting all mixed up and it is taking me round in circles rather than down the form one by one. It is also repeating boxes that I have already filled in rather than telling me which box exactly I am in. Does anybody else have this problem? Would using a different browser help? I am using the latest version of internet explorer. Any help appreciated! For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word
Kevin, I do not see your earlier message, but even if it was in my Inbox, I would not have seen it until now. I'm not able to sit by my computer all day and night waiting to respond to messages when they come in. There are many ways of accomplishing turning on Bullets in Word 2010. Try this: Position your cursor at the beginning of the line where you want to insert your first bullet. Tap the Alt key to activate the ribbon. Press H to open the Home menu. Press U to open the Bullet drop down. Right arrow once to select a solid round bullet. Use your arrow keys to move around to the other options available. You will have to experiment with this as I do not know what else is there. Press Enter when you find the type of bullet you want. Begin typing your text. Pressing Enter will drop you down to the next line and add a new bullet. When you are done press Enter twice to turn off bullets. You can also use Alt, then H, then U to open the Bullet menu again and select None. I hope you find this helpful, as well as find some patients in the future. Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kevin C Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:42 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word I have written earlier a couple of hours ago to see how to apply bullets in a Word document that is Microsoft Word 2010. I have seen answers to a couple of questions, but not mine. I get frustrated that certain questions get answered and some do not. I have had to write two or three times just to get one response. I will unsubscribe if no answer is forthcoming. -Original Message- From: Annette Carr Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws? How did we get from Cost of JAWS to Windows mail. Oh I get it, the subject line did not change along with the topic being discussed. Mr. Ferrin, I hope the list moderator is noting your failure to change the subject line to match the topic. Smile! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:10 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-U
[JAWS-Users] Jumbled forms
I am trying to fill in a payment form on a website and jaws is getting all jumbled up. This happened with jaws 12 but I assumed that 14 would be better. As I tab from one edit box to another either using E, F, or just tabbing, the labels are getting all mixed up and it is taking me round in circles rather than down the form one by one. It is also repeating boxes that I have already filled in rather than telling me which box exactly I am in. Does anybody else have this problem? Would using a different browser help? I am using the latest version of internet explorer. Any help appreciated! For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word
Hi Kevin, I for 1, have yet to see your post about bullits. This is the only post from you I've received today. If you notice the replies that are here now are not replying to any question you've posted about bullits but, replying to your complaint about no one answering your question you clain to have posted. Please be a little more tolerant with the list members. Thank you very much. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Kevin C To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:41 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word I have written earlier a couple of hours ago to see how to apply bullets in a Word document that is Microsoft Word 2010. I have seen answers to a couple of questions, but not mine. I get frustrated that certain questions get answered and some do not. I have had to write two or three times just to get one response. I will unsubscribe if no answer is forthcoming. -Original Message- From: Annette Carr Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws? How did we get from Cost of JAWS to Windows mail. Oh I get it, the subject line did not change along with the topic being discussed. Mr. Ferrin, I hope the list moderator is noting your failure to change the subject line to match the topic. Smile! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:10 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition wou
Re: [JAWS-Users] email clients
David: on my Win7 Toshiba if if in Windows Live Mail, I press JAWSkey+PageDown, the read status line, I get the usual status line information, number of unread messages in the folder I'm in, etc. It could be the vews people are using that enable or disable this. - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] email clients You can use live mail from XP forward. So far as issues are concerned that is another matter, but they aren't operating system specific so far as I am aware, it's the program itself that has problems like no status line the last I heard. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:17 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? David, so, if I upgrade to win 7, I can use windows live mail without issues? Or should I just go to win 8, use windows live mail and move on with my life? I'm beginning to think that I need a masters in computer science to send e mails to my friends! It is ridiculous to confront choices like this without enough information. And I've been on line with jaws since miy first computer which was windows 95. It just keeps getting worse and worse. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then : promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be : enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your : registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC : are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service : pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be : honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that : does not mean there won't be future issues to come. : : A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be : done by a beginner". : David Ferrin : Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones : that mind don't matter. : : -Original Message- : From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On : Behalf Of Marilyn Walker : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM : To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook : Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do : complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. : However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my : operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still : using v 12 because it works best. : I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone : locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait : and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved : into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn : - Original Message - : From: "Sugar" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : :: Marilyn :: I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging :: of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not :: converted. :: My desk top is xp though :: mostly because I love love outlook express. :: now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and : windows :: 7? :: besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now :: what I would use,right? :: any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar :: smile :: :: ~Peace Be, Sugar :: "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." :: :: ~~ Galileo :: - Original Message - :: From: "Marilyn Walker" :: To: :: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM :: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? :: :: :: > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me : that :: > 8 :: > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer :: > users :: > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for :: > any :: > info. Marilyn :: > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. :: > - Original Message - :: > From: "Flor Lynch" :: > To: :: > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM :: > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? :: > :: > :: > : Hi Scott, :: > : :: > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home E
Re: [JAWS-Users] Shortcut keystrokes for mininmise and maximise
Alt+space x = Maximize. Alt+space n = Minimize. - Original Message - From: "DERICK GREEFF" To: "JAWS Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:13 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Shortcut keystrokes for mininmise and maximise Dear List Can someone please tell me what the shortcut keys are for minimising and maximising files?I use Windows Xp and JAWS 10 Thank you for your kind assistance DERICK. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word
Look in the home ribbon or CTRL shift l... Kimsan Song kimsans...@aol.com -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kevin C Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:42 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word I have written earlier a couple of hours ago to see how to apply bullets in a Word document that is Microsoft Word 2010. I have seen answers to a couple of questions, but not mine. I get frustrated that certain questions get answered and some do not. I have had to write two or three times just to get one response. I will unsubscribe if no answer is forthcoming. -Original Message- From: Annette Carr Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws? How did we get from Cost of JAWS to Windows mail. Oh I get it, the subject line did not change along with the topic being discussed. Mr. Ferrin, I hope the list moderator is noting your failure to change the subject line to match the topic. Smile! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:10 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : > : : > : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably need : > : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. : > : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).
Re: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word
Use Shift control l. It will automatically put them at the beginning of the line. If you want to apply them to several lines, then Select down with your shift down arrow, and when you have finished selecting what you want, then hit shift control l. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kevin C Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:42 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word I have written earlier a couple of hours ago to see how to apply bullets in a Word document that is Microsoft Word 2010. I have seen answers to a couple of questions, but not mine. I get frustrated that certain questions get answered and some do not. I have had to write two or three times just to get one response. I will unsubscribe if no answer is forthcoming. -Original Message- From: Annette Carr Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws? How did we get from Cost of JAWS to Windows mail. Oh I get it, the subject line did not change along with the topic being discussed. Mr. Ferrin, I hope the list moderator is noting your failure to change the subject line to match the topic. Smile! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:10 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : > : : > : However, Windows8 is now almost univ
Re: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word
You can do a control shift l to invoke bullets. Press enter twice to turn off. Encouragement For the Journey Featuring Southern and Country Gospel Music Every Sunday morning at 8:00 AM on KLPW AM 1220. Listen live at, www.klpw.com Show archives available at: www.GatewayForTheBlind.Com/audio -Original Message- From: Kevin C Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word I have written earlier a couple of hours ago to see how to apply bullets in a Word document that is Microsoft Word 2010. I have seen answers to a couple of questions, but not mine. I get frustrated that certain questions get answered and some do not. I have had to write two or three times just to get one response. I will unsubscribe if no answer is forthcoming. -Original Message- From: Annette Carr Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws? How did we get from Cost of JAWS to Windows mail. Oh I get it, the subject line did not change along with the topic being discussed. Mr. Ferrin, I hope the list moderator is noting your failure to change the subject line to match the topic. Smile! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:10 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : > : : > : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably
Re: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word
Feel free to leave if you wish. There are over 600 people on here and it is a Sunday afternoon so it is reasonable to think that not everybody is home waiting to answer there email. Help more often than not arrives for everybody assuming that somebody out there knows the answer to the given question. There is no need to get crabby that the answer you are waiting for did not arrive in the time you expected it would. So let's all be civilized on here. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kevin C Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:42 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word I have written earlier a couple of hours ago to see how to apply bullets in a Word document that is Microsoft Word 2010. I have seen answers to a couple of questions, but not mine. I get frustrated that certain questions get answered and some do not. I have had to write two or three times just to get one response. I will unsubscribe if no answer is forthcoming. -Original Message- From: Annette Carr Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws? How did we get from Cost of JAWS to Windows mail. Oh I get it, the subject line did not change along with the topic being discussed. Mr. Ferrin, I hope the list moderator is noting your failure to change the subject line to match the topic. Smile! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:10 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost
[JAWS-Users] Shortcut keystrokes for mininmise and maximise
Dear List Can someone please tell me what the shortcut keys are for minimising and maximising files?I use Windows Xp and JAWS 10 Thank you for your kind assistance DERICK. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Bullets for Word
I have written earlier a couple of hours ago to see how to apply bullets in a Word document that is Microsoft Word 2010. I have seen answers to a couple of questions, but not mine. I get frustrated that certain questions get answered and some do not. I have had to write two or three times just to get one response. I will unsubscribe if no answer is forthcoming. -Original Message- From: Annette Carr Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws? How did we get from Cost of JAWS to Windows mail. Oh I get it, the subject line did not change along with the topic being discussed. Mr. Ferrin, I hope the list moderator is noting your failure to change the subject line to match the topic. Smile! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:10 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : > : : > : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably need : > : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. : > : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).) : > : : > : - Original Message - : > : From: "Scott Meyer" : > : To: : > : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:24 PM : > : Subject: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : : > : : > : > Hi; : > : > I have jaws 12 home edition. my XP computeris starting to act up. : > : > would I ha
[JAWS-Users] email clients
You can use live mail from XP forward. So far as issues are concerned that is another matter, but they aren't operating system specific so far as I am aware, it's the program itself that has problems like no status line the last I heard. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:17 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? David, so, if I upgrade to win 7, I can use windows live mail without issues? Or should I just go to win 8, use windows live mail and move on with my life? I'm beginning to think that I need a masters in computer science to send e mails to my friends! It is ridiculous to confront choices like this without enough information. And I've been on line with jaws since miy first computer which was windows 95. It just keeps getting worse and worse. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then : promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be : enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your : registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC : are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service : pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be : honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that : does not mean there won't be future issues to come. : : A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be : done by a beginner". : David Ferrin : Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones : that mind don't matter. : : -Original Message- : From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On : Behalf Of Marilyn Walker : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM : To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook : Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do : complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. : However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my : operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still : using v 12 because it works best. : I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone : locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait : and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved : into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn : - Original Message - : From: "Sugar" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : :: Marilyn :: I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging :: of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not :: converted. :: My desk top is xp though :: mostly because I love love outlook express. :: now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and : windows :: 7? :: besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now :: what I would use,right? :: any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar :: smile :: :: ~Peace Be, Sugar :: "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." :: :: ~~ Galileo :: - Original Message - :: From: "Marilyn Walker" :: To: :: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM :: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? :: :: :: > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me : that :: > 8 :: > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer :: > users :: > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for :: > any :: > info. Marilyn :: > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. :: > - Original Message - :: > From: "Flor Lynch" :: > To: :: > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM :: > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? :: > :: > :: > : Hi Scott, :: > : :: > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or :: > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to :: > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. :: > : :: > : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably : need :: > : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. :: > : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).) :: > : :: > : - Original Message - :: > : From
Re: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws?
Obviously my bad, I'll put myself on moderated status, but that will just give me more work approving my own messages. I could always retire, now there's an idea. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Annette Carr Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:31 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws? How did we get from Cost of JAWS to Windows mail. Oh I get it, the subject line did not change along with the topic being discussed. Mr. Ferrin, I hope the list moderator is noting your failure to change the subject line to match the topic. Smile! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:10 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : > : : > : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably need : > : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. : > : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).) : > : : > : - Original Message - : > : From: "Scott Meyer" : > : To: : > : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:24 PM : > : Subject: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : : > : : > : > Hi; : > : > I have jaws 12 home edition. my XP computeris starting to act up. : > : > would I have to upgrade to the p
Re: [JAWS-Users] Just a thank you for the info for windows 7 and jaws
I join SUgar in thanksing all who chimed in on this topic. I'm leaning toward just getting it over with and going with win 7 and wlm while win 7 is still available. My hardware came with my xp in 2004 so maybe I'll just buy a new setup and continue witih my monitor, keyboard, scanner and printer. BUt I have until next December if I want to wait, right? Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:25 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Just a thank you for the info for windows 7 and jaws : Hello all : I just wanted to thank those who gave me some insight on why I really should : think about changing over to windows 7, so on my behalf I thank you so much : for your patience, understanding and consideration to listen to me. : it is truely appreciated, as I am not so "knowloedgeable" as some ,alot of : you are. I am self taught and really appreciate hints, ttips,etc... as I am : sure many or some do as well, so with out much chit chat, I thank you. : Sugar : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : : : For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Gerald, this helps , but actually the choices all seem to have glitches and frustrating choices. I wish microsoft would continue supporting xp and I would pay to take advantage of that. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Gerald Levy" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : As an inveterate XP user, let me see if I understand all the accessible : email clients that work with Windows 7 and 8. : : 1. Windows Live Mail: Introduced in Vista, it is most similar to Outlook : Express, but was dropped in Windows 7, which does not come with any email : client of its own. But apparently, it can be made to work with Windows 7 : with a few registry tweaks that should not be attempted by the timid or : faint of heart. : : 2. Windows Mail: Not to be confused with the similar-sounding Windows Live : Mail above, it works with Windows 7 and 8, but is not nearly as accessible : or easy to use as the former. : : 3. Mail: Windows 8 supposedly comes with an email client simply called : Mail, but nobody seems to know much about it. : : 4. Thunderbird: Not to be confused with the Ford sports coupe of the same : name, an email client developed by Mozilla, the Firefox folks, that is : supposed to be compatible with XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8. : : 5. Edora: An older email client that is no longer supported but still : favored by some JAWS users that works with XP and Windows 7 : : 6. Outlook: the email client that comes bundled with MS Office, it is : compatible with JAWS and works with all versions of Windows. : : 7. Outlook Express: still a favorite with XP users because of its : simplicity and ease of use, but does not work with higher versions of : Windows. : : Okay, have I cleared up the confusion or merely made it worse? Have I : missed anything? : : Gerald : : : - Original Message - : From: "David Ferrin" : To: : Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:09 AM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then : > promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can : > be : > enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to : > your : > registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC : > are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service : > pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be : > honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but : > that : > does not mean there won't be future issues to come. : > : > A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not : > be : > done by a beginner". : > David Ferrin : > Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones : > that mind don't matter. : > : > -Original Message- : > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On : > Behalf Of Marilyn Walker : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM : > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook : > Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do : > complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. : > However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my : > operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still : > using v 12 because it works best. : > I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone : > locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait : > and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved : > into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn : > - Original Message - : > From: "Sugar" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Marilyn : > : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really : > thinkging : > : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : > : converted. : > : My desk top is xp though : > : mostly because I love love outlook express. : > : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and : > windows : > : 7? : > : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is : > now : > : what I would use,right? : > : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : > : smile : > : : > : ~Peace Be, Sugar : > : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : > : : > : ~~ Galileo : > : - Original Message - : > : From: "Marilyn Walker" : > : To: : > : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : > : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : : > : : > : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 a
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
David, so, if I upgrade to win 7, I can use windows live mail without issues? Or should I just go to win 8, use windows live mail and move on with my life? I'm beginning to think that I need a masters in computer science to send e mails to my friends! It is ridiculous to confront choices like this without enough information. And I've been on line with jaws since miy first computer which was windows 95. It just keeps getting worse and worse. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then : promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be : enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your : registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC : are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service : pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be : honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that : does not mean there won't be future issues to come. : : A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be : done by a beginner". : David Ferrin : Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones : that mind don't matter. : : -Original Message- : From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On : Behalf Of Marilyn Walker : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM : To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook : Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do : complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. : However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my : operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still : using v 12 because it works best. : I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone : locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait : and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved : into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn : - Original Message - : From: "Sugar" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : :: Marilyn :: I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging :: of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not :: converted. :: My desk top is xp though :: mostly because I love love outlook express. :: now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and : windows :: 7? :: besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now :: what I would use,right? :: any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar :: smile :: :: ~Peace Be, Sugar :: "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." :: :: ~~ Galileo :: - Original Message - :: From: "Marilyn Walker" :: To: :: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM :: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? :: :: :: > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me : that :: > 8 :: > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer :: > users :: > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for :: > any :: > info. Marilyn :: > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. :: > - Original Message - :: > From: "Flor Lynch" :: > To: :: > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM :: > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? :: > :: > :: > : Hi Scott, :: > : :: > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or :: > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to :: > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. :: > : :: > : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably : need :: > : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. :: > : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).) :: > : :: > : - Original Message - :: > : From: "Scott Meyer" :: > : To: :: > : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:24 PM :: > : Subject: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? :: > : :: > : :: > : > Hi; :: > : > I have jaws 12 home edition. my XP computeris starting to act : up. :: > : > would I have to upgrade to the professional version to use windows : 7? :: > : > if so what is the cost of that and would I also have to upgrade to :: > : > Jaws 14 ? What would be the cost of that? :: > : > Thanks :: > : > scott :: > : > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: :: > : > http://www.jaws-users.com/h
[JAWS-Users] jaws upgrade and email clients
Dear steve, Scorpio,Gerald,Rick,david, Flor and Angela; thanks for all your input both with upgrades information and the various email clients. lots to ponder.Guess as theyears go on the more complex our choices get and the programs too. Scott For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Just a thank you for the info for windows 7 and jaws
Hello all I just wanted to thank those who gave me some insight on why I really should think about changing over to windows 7, so on my behalf I thank you so much for your patience, understanding and consideration to listen to me. it is truely appreciated, as I am not so "knowloedgeable" as some ,alot of you are. I am self taught and really appreciate hints, ttips,etc... as I am sure many or some do as well, so with out much chit chat, I thank you. Sugar ~Peace Be, Sugar "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." ~~ Galileo For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Yes, google it, particularly as it applies to Win 7 pre-SP1. - Original Message - From: "Scorpio" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Hi Steve, I haven't run into those problems. Do you have an example of an update that failed to update? Not to be difficult, but I'm curious why I didn't receive such a problem with my updates. Scorpio For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Yes, you've made it worse. You reversed the programs Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail works in Vista, Windows Live Mail is for Win 7. - Original Message - From: "Gerald Levy" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? As an inveterate XP user, let me see if I understand all the accessible email clients that work with Windows 7 and 8. 1. Windows Live Mail: Introduced in Vista, it is most similar to Outlook Express, but was dropped in Windows 7, which does not come with any email client of its own. But apparently, it can be made to work with Windows 7 with a few registry tweaks that should not be attempted by the timid or faint of heart. 2. Windows Mail: Not to be confused with the similar-sounding Windows Live Mail above, it works with Windows 7 and 8, but is not nearly as accessible or easy to use as the former. 3. Mail: Windows 8 supposedly comes with an email client simply called Mail, but nobody seems to know much about it. 4. Thunderbird: Not to be confused with the Ford sports coupe of the same name, an email client developed by Mozilla, the Firefox folks, that is supposed to be compatible with XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8. 5. Edora: An older email client that is no longer supported but still favored by some JAWS users that works with XP and Windows 7 6. Outlook: the email client that comes bundled with MS Office, it is compatible with JAWS and works with all versions of Windows. 7. Outlook Express: still a favorite with XP users because of its simplicity and ease of use, but does not work with higher versions of Windows. Okay, have I cleared up the confusion or merely made it worse? Have I missed anything? Gerald - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturd
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Yes, Windows 8 is useable via keyboard. Retail stores are pushing Win 8, but Windows 7 boxes are available on-line or probably upon request at other retailers. Windows 8 is not as easy to use in my opinion as Windows 7, and there are still quite a few programs that don't work with Win 8 yet. - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Marilyn, there is still an alternative or keyboard interface with Windows8. As I don't have Windows8, I'll let those who actually have windows8 comment further. - Original Message - From: "Marilyn Walker" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that 8 is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer users being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for any info. Marilyn ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Hi Scott, : : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably need : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).) : : - Original Message - : From: "Scott Meyer" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:24 PM : Subject: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Hi; : > I have jaws 12 home edition. my XP computeris starting to act up. : > would I have to upgrade to the professional version to use windows 7? : > if so what is the cost of that and would I also have to upgrade to : > Jaws 14 ? What would be the cost of that? : > Thanks : > scott : > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : > : : : For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Hi Steve, I haven't run into those problems. Do you have an example of an update that failed to update? Not to be difficult, but I'm curious why I didn't receive such a problem with my updates. Scorpio For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] E-Mail Clients With Jaws
Hi Gerald, You have the Windows Live Mail and the Windows Mail switched around in their explanations. The fact is, Windows Mail is the mail application that most resembles Outlook Express, and aside from the relatively few differences I mentioned in my previous post, all methods for accessing one's mail is exactly like Outlook Express. Windows Live Mail is also accessible, however, because of the ribbon interface in place of the traditional menu bar, it's a bit more difficult to use, not because it's inaccessible, but because there's a steep learning curve. An example is the fact that one can not simple press the alt key to get to the menu with the application's options and accounts settings, one has to press the hotkey of alt+F, which will open up the menu in question. Simply pressing the alt key, as one used to do with traditional menus will activate the ribbons, and moving your arrows around will get you to where you want to go like the insert menu for inserting a picture, file or object into the message, or the message window which will send the message and the like, but, as I said, if you want to reach the options and account settings, you must press the keystroke above. I would also say that Windows Live Mail closely resembles Office Outlook in functionality as it is able to decode calendar events and the like, and you can actually make Windows Live Mail look a great deal like Outlook Express, or more like Windows Mail, but again, the ribbons are a learning curve of it's own. I should also mention that while there are some registry keys one must add to the registry, and if you're going to enter them manually, unless you're experienced with editing the registry, then I would not recommend playing around with the registry, especially if you don't have sighted assistance when your computer doesn't want to boot fully into Windows. I do, however, have a little package created by a gentleman named Ryan that includes the files you need to copy into the Windows directory, the registry modification files that automatically make the registry changes on it's own, and the instructions, so if you're not upgrading for the simple fact that you don't like playing around with the registry, then this package is a good thing for you as there is nothing left to chance, as the registry files do the modifications for you, and the instructions teach you how to back up the registry in case a mistake is made. In any case, I just thought I should point that out, other than that Gerald, you pretty much hit the nail on the head in your descriptions. Smile. Scorpio For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws?
Thank you Annette, point taken. I' too am guilty of the same. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: "Annette Carr" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws? How did we get from Cost of JAWS to Windows mail. Oh I get it, the subject line did not change along with the topic being discussed. Mr. Ferrin, I hope the list moderator is noting your failure to change the subject line to match the topic. Smile! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:10 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : > : : > : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably need : > : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. : > : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).) : > : : > : - Original Message - : > : From: "Scott Meyer" : > : To: : > : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:24 PM : > : Subject: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : : > : : > : > Hi; : > : > I have jaws 12 home edition. my XP computeris starting to act up. : > : > would I have to upgrade to the professional version to use windows 7? : > : > if so what is the cost of that and would I also have to upgrade to : > : > Jaws 14 ? What would be the cost of that? : > : > Thanks : > : > scott : > : > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > : > http://www.jaws-users.com/help
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Hi Gerald, You have the Windows Live Mail and the Windows Mail switched around in their explanations. The fact is, Windows Mail is the mail application that most resembles Outlook Express, and aside from the relatively few differences I mentioned in my previous post, all methods for accessing one's mail is exactly like Outlook Express. Windows Live Mail is also accessible, however, because of the ribbon interface in place of the traditional menu bar, it's a bit more difficult to use, not because it's inaccessible, but because there's a steep learning curve. An example is the fact that one can not simple press the alt key to get to the menu with the application's options and accounts settings, one has to press the hotkey of alt+F, which will open up the menu in question. Simply pressing the alt key, as one used to do with traditional menus will activate the ribbons, and moving your arrows around will get you to where you want to go like the insert menu for inserting a picture, file or object into the message, or the message window which will send the message and the like, but, as I said, if you want to reach the options and account settings, you must press the keystroke above. I would also say that Windows Live Mail closely resembles Office Outlook in functionality as it is able to decode calendar events and the like, and you can actually make Windows Live Mail look a great deal like Outlook Express, or more like Windows Mail, but again, the ribbons are a learning curve of it's own. I should also mention that while there are some registry keys one must add to the registry, and if you're going to enter them manually, unless you're experienced with editing the registry, then I would not recommend playing around with the registry, especially if you don't have sighted assistance when your computer doesn't want to boot fully into Windows. I do, however, have a little package created by a gentleman named Ryan that includes the files you need to copy into the Windows directory, the registry modification files that automatically make the registry changes on it's own, and the instructions, so if you're not upgrading for the simple fact that you don't like playing around with the registry, then this package is a good thing for you as there is nothing left to chance, as the registry files do the modifications for you, and the instructions teach you how to back up the registry in case a mistake is made. In any case, I just thought I should point that out, other than that Gerald, you pretty much hit the nail on the head in your descriptions. Smile. Scorpio For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Be advised, if you run the Win 7 registry tweak for Windows Mail as Scorpio suggests, there are known issues where Windows 7 may fail to update certain updates. This particularly happened with the SP1 group of updates. - Original Message - From: "Scorpio" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Hi Sugar, Though not commonly known, there is a version of Outlook Express included with Windows 7, just hidden from users so they can purchase Office products for Outlook, or force people to use Windows Live Mail. I have the tweaks, files and instructions uploaded to send space, but should you take that plunge into Windows 7, you don't have to worry about upgrading to another mail client, as the instructions are quite simple and easy to go through. I should also note that the main difference between Outlook Express and Windows Mail is the inclusion of a Junk Mail folder, the ability to deal with Spam messages more easily with the applications key, and a couple of annoying bugs, though I'm not sure if this is a Windows issue, or a Jaws issue. The first bug is that the auto complete feature of Windows Mail is hit or miss. Oh, don't get me wrong, the addresses do auto complete, but Jaws isn't reporting the completed address, so you're left wondering if it's going to the proper address. The second bug is the fact that when using your arrow keys to go through the folder list on the left-hand side of the screen, should you come across a folder containing saved messages in it, Jaws automatically moves focus to the message list from the folder list. It doesn't matter whether the messages are unread or not, and you're never sure how many messages you have that are unread in that folder or what, as you never get a chance to listen to Jaws read out the entire folder name and unread messages as it did in Outlook Express. This is especially the case if you have message rules implemented, and you have your messages sorted by subject words and if the messages go into their own folders. Other than that, Windows Mail is exactly like Outlook Express, with a couple of tweaks here and there. I also don't know if Freedom Scientific has stopped supporting Windows mail, but Eric can speak to that should he decide it's warranted. Hope this helps. Scorpio For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Subject line & Topic - WAS: RE: Cost of upgrading jaws?
How did we get from Cost of JAWS to Windows mail. Oh I get it, the subject line did not change along with the topic being discussed. Mr. Ferrin, I hope the list moderator is noting your failure to change the subject line to match the topic. Smile! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:10 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : > : : > : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably need : > : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. : > : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).) : > : : > : - Original Message - : > : From: "Scott Meyer" : > : To: : > : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:24 PM : > : Subject: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : : > : : > : > Hi; : > : > I have jaws 12 home edition. my XP computeris starting to act up. : > : > would I have to upgrade to the professional version to use windows 7? : > : > if so what is the cost of that and would I also have to upgrade to : > : > Jaws 14 ? What would be the cost of that? : > : > Thanks : > : > scott : > : > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > : > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : > : > : > : : > : : > : For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > : http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : > : > : > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : : : F
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Hi Marilyn I am with you in how you are feeling right now I have jaws 11, IE 7,xp windows office 2010, and thinking about taking that step myself..smile sugar ~Peace Be, Sugar "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." ~~ Galileo - Original Message - From: "Marilyn Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : > : : > : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably need : > : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. : > : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).) : > : : > : - Original Message - : > : From: "Scott Meyer" : > : To: : > : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:24 PM : > : Subject: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : : > : : > : > Hi; : > : > I have jaws 12 home edition. my XP computeris starting to act up. : > : > would I have to upgrade to the professional version to use windows 7? : > : > if so what is the cost of that and would I also have to upgrade to : > : > Jaws 14 ? What would be the cost of that? : > : > Thanks : > : > scott : > : > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > : > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : > : > : > : : > : : > : For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > : http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : > : > : > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : : : For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Hi Gerald, Your close, and this is why there is so much confusion. Microsoft in their infinite wisdom continues to give some of their products similar names. Windows Mail, was introduced in Vista, as a replacement for Outlook Express, and that was the end of it. Windows Live Mail, has been around awhile,and will work with any version of Windows from at least XP and up. Windows Live Mail, or more commonly referred to as "WLM" apparently is doable, although I haven't seen any guides for the 2012 version yet. The rest, you certainly covered. smile HTH, Rick Justice - Original Message - From: "Gerald Levy" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? As an inveterate XP user, let me see if I understand all the accessible email clients that work with Windows 7 and 8. 1. Windows Live Mail: Introduced in Vista, it is most similar to Outlook Express, but was dropped in Windows 7, which does not come with any email client of its own. But apparently, it can be made to work with Windows 7 with a few registry tweaks that should not be attempted by the timid or faint of heart. 2. Windows Mail: Not to be confused with the similar-sounding Windows Live Mail above, it works with Windows 7 and 8, but is not nearly as accessible or easy to use as the former. 3. Mail: Windows 8 supposedly comes with an email client simply called Mail, but nobody seems to know much about it. 4. Thunderbird: Not to be confused with the Ford sports coupe of the same name, an email client developed by Mozilla, the Firefox folks, that is supposed to be compatible with XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8. 5. Edora: An older email client that is no longer supported but still favored by some JAWS users that works with XP and Windows 7 6. Outlook: the email client that comes bundled with MS Office, it is compatible with JAWS and works with all versions of Windows. 7. Outlook Express: still a favorite with XP users because of its simplicity and ease of use, but does not work with higher versions of Windows. Okay, have I cleared up the confusion or merely made it worse? Have I missed anything? Gerald - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? > Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then > promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can > be > enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to > your > registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC > are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service > pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be > honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but > that > does not mean there won't be future issues to come. > > A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not > be > done by a beginner". > David Ferrin > Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones > that mind don't matter. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Marilyn Walker > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? > > SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook > Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do > complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. > However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my > operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still > using v 12 because it works best. > I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone > locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait > and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved > into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn > - Original Message - > From: "Sugar" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? > > > : Marilyn > : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really > thinkging > : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not > : converted. > : My desk top is xp though > : mostly because I love love outlook express. > : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and > windows > : 7? > : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is > now > : what I would use,right? > : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar > : smile > : > : ~Peace Be, Sugar > : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." > : > : ~~ Galileo > : - Original Message - > : From: "Marilyn Walker" > : To: > : Sent:
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Hi Flor, I have tried the Windows Mail tweak in Windows 8, with less than desirable results. Interestingly enough, the Windows Mail folder is in Windows 8, same as Windows 7. HTH, Rick Justice - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? To be clearer: Windows Mail is the Windows Vista mail client. Windows Live Mail is the windows 7 mail client. Two different clients. I don't know if the outlook Express tweak will work on Windows7, as it was designed for windows Vista. and the modern Windows Live Mail is ribbons rather than menus. - Original Message - From: "Scorpio" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? > Hi Sugar, > > Though not commonly known, there is a version of Outlook Express > included with Windows 7, just hidden from users so they can purchase > Office products for Outlook, or force people to use Windows Live Mail. > > I have the tweaks, files and instructions uploaded to send space, but > should you take that plunge into Windows 7, you don't have to worry > about upgrading to another mail client, as the instructions are quite > simple and easy to go through. > > I should also note that the main difference between Outlook Express > and Windows Mail is the inclusion of a Junk Mail folder, the ability > to deal with Spam messages more easily with the applications key, and > a couple of annoying bugs, though I'm not sure if this is a Windows > issue, or a Jaws issue. > > The first bug is that the auto complete feature of Windows Mail is hit > or miss. > > Oh, don't get me wrong, the addresses do auto complete, but Jaws isn't > reporting the completed address, so you're left wondering if it's > going to the proper address. > > The second bug is the fact that when using your arrow keys to go > through the folder list on the left-hand side of the screen, should > you come across a folder containing saved messages in it, Jaws > automatically moves focus to the message list from the folder list. > > It doesn't matter whether the messages are unread or not, and you're > never sure how many messages you have that are unread in that folder > or what, as you never get a chance to listen to Jaws read out the > entire folder name and unread messages as it did in Outlook Express. > This is especially the case if you have message rules implemented, and > you have your messages sorted by subject words and if the messages go > into their own folders. > > Other than that, Windows Mail is exactly like Outlook Express, with a > couple of tweaks here and there. > > I also don't know if Freedom Scientific has stopped supporting Windows > mail, but Eric can speak to that should he decide it's warranted. > > Hope this helps. > > Scorpio > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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As an inveterate XP user, let me see if I understand all the accessible email clients that work with Windows 7 and 8. 1. Windows Live Mail: Introduced in Vista, it is most similar to Outlook Express, but was dropped in Windows 7, which does not come with any email client of its own. But apparently, it can be made to work with Windows 7 with a few registry tweaks that should not be attempted by the timid or faint of heart. 2. Windows Mail: Not to be confused with the similar-sounding Windows Live Mail above, it works with Windows 7 and 8, but is not nearly as accessible or easy to use as the former. 3. Mail: Windows 8 supposedly comes with an email client simply called Mail, but nobody seems to know much about it. 4. Thunderbird: Not to be confused with the Ford sports coupe of the same name, an email client developed by Mozilla, the Firefox folks, that is supposed to be compatible with XP, Windows 7 and Windows 8. 5. Edora: An older email client that is no longer supported but still favored by some JAWS users that works with XP and Windows 7 6. Outlook: the email client that comes bundled with MS Office, it is compatible with JAWS and works with all versions of Windows. 7. Outlook Express: still a favorite with XP users because of its simplicity and ease of use, but does not work with higher versions of Windows. Okay, have I cleared up the confusion or merely made it worse? Have I missed anything? Gerald - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS
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No, Outlook Express won't work on Windoss 7. Angela from Italy -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:34 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? To be clearer: Windows Mail is the Windows Vista mail client. Windows Live Mail is the windows 7 mail client. Two different clients. I don't know if the outlook Express tweak will work on Windows7, as it was designed for windows Vista. and the modern Windows Live Mail is ribbons rather than menus. - Original Message - From: "Scorpio" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? > Hi Sugar, > > Though not commonly known, there is a version of Outlook Express > included with Windows 7, just hidden from users so they can purchase > Office products for Outlook, or force people to use Windows Live Mail. > > I have the tweaks, files and instructions uploaded to send space, but > should you take that plunge into Windows 7, you don't have to worry > about upgrading to another mail client, as the instructions are quite > simple and easy to go through. > > I should also note that the main difference between Outlook Express > and Windows Mail is the inclusion of a Junk Mail folder, the ability > to deal with Spam messages more easily with the applications key, and > a couple of annoying bugs, though I'm not sure if this is a Windows > issue, or a Jaws issue. > > The first bug is that the auto complete feature of Windows Mail is hit > or miss. > > Oh, don't get me wrong, the addresses do auto complete, but Jaws isn't > reporting the completed address, so you're left wondering if it's > going to the proper address. > > The second bug is the fact that when using your arrow keys to go > through the folder list on the left-hand side of the screen, should > you come across a folder containing saved messages in it, Jaws > automatically moves focus to the message list from the folder list. > > It doesn't matter whether the messages are unread or not, and you're > never sure how many messages you have that are unread in that folder > or what, as you never get a chance to listen to Jaws read out the > entire folder name and unread messages as it did in Outlook Express. > This is especially the case if you have message rules implemented, and > you have your messages sorted by subject words and if the messages go > into their own folders. > > Other than that, Windows Mail is exactly like Outlook Express, with a > couple of tweaks here and there. > > I also don't know if Freedom Scientific has stopped supporting Windows > mail, but Eric can speak to that should he decide it's warranted. > > Hope this helps. > > Scorpio > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Cerchi un QUADRO per arredare casa? Su MisterCupido.com puoi acquistare Quadri Moderni, Astratti, Floreali, Panoramici, in Pannelli, ecc. Consegne in tutta Italia in soli 2-3 giorni Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=12389&d=24-2 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14
I think your security concerns over Firefox 3.6 are overblown. I use it regularly and have never encountered any security issues. It is certainly more stable and reliable than the higher versions of Firefox. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Sharon Gosling" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14 I would very much like the link to the Firefox 16. As to the statement made that there is not much difference between accessibility with IE 9 and FF I have found many. Just the other day I tried to sign up for the free samples on doctoroz.com and there was no space to fill in any info with IE 9 but when I copied the link and opened it in FF the form fields were there and I was able to sign up. Expressscripts.com is another that I could not sign in on IE 9. Also the FIOS website, the Lookout.com and I think certain pages of the Bank of America site. Those are just the ones I remember having problems with recently using IE 9 that were accessible with FF.. Mostly I don't compare page by page unless I know ahead of time that there is something that is supposed to be there and isn't on IE 9. I would think that Jaws should put more effort into making IE more accessible or at least fix this freezing problem with Firefox. As for using version 3.5 of Firefox. it seems to me that that would really be a security risk rather like using IE 6 or 7. I really would like to switch to Firefox for my default. Maybe the version 16 would work with Jaws 14. Thanks, Sherrie -Original Message- From: inthaneelf Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14 if anyone wishes to revert to ff 16 I do believe I have the installer file here for it still. I tend to keep them JIC elf -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14 First of all, no need to reboot your computer when firefox crashes. Hit ctrl-alt-escape, find the firefox in applications, hit the applications/context key on it and choose end task. Second of all, having used both firefox and ie9, I'd say that ie9 gives more information on webpages where there is any difference at all. I have yet to find one that is more accessible with firefox. If you are having a lot of crashes with firefox as your default browser, caused by clicking on links, you might want to change to ie as the default. You can download ff17.x off of mozilla's ftp site, you have to dig for it though. If it weren't for a couple of plugins that allow me to block ads and control what javascript I wish to allow, along with how it deals with rss, I'd use internet explorer instead of firefox. I've used firefox for many years, so I don't say that lightly. I have yet to try the release version of ff19, but the beta crashed just like ff18 did. On 2/21/2013 05:49, Sharon Gosling wrote: I guess this sounds like I just have to put up with the IE 9 as a default since most of the freezes occur when clicking links in email. One I especially remember is a Kim Komando page that led to another page and then the youtube link yesterday. There were others I remember from Lookout Mobile Security. Can't remember them all. The most aggravating part is to have to restart the computer to shut down Firefox. The computer doesn't freeze, just Firefox. I could still use more advice if anyone has any ideas. I know there are many avid Firefox users on this list. I presume that to roll back to Firefox 17 I would have to remove FF 19. But where would I get 17. And is 17 the best version for Jaws users? In old emails I had read about really low versions but it seems like they would have many security holes as newer versions of browsers generally have better security. Using a different link for youtube would not help me since I never go to youtube and search for videos. I click links from friends that take me to interesting youtube videos. If I keep IE 9 as the default I may never realize how much more accessible the page might be on Firefox. Now, I only try Firefox when I know there are form fields or other information I know should be there. I imagine there is a great deal more information that I don't even realize I am missing using IE 9. If others experience similar problems then perhaps I should contact Jaws or Firefox about it. Actually I was amazed at how inferior IE 9 was using Jaws. Sherrie Gosling -Original Message- From: Chris Hill Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14 Definitely happens with youtube, that happens with all screen readers and flash. You could try the html5 version of youtube at www.youtube.com
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Marilyn, there is still an alternative or keyboard interface with Windows8. As I don't have Windows8, I'll let those who actually have windows8 comment further. - Original Message - From: "Marilyn Walker" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that 8 is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer users being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for any info. Marilyn ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. - Original Message - From: "Flor Lynch" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Hi Scott, : : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably need : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).) : : - Original Message - : From: "Scott Meyer" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:24 PM : Subject: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Hi; : > I have jaws 12 home edition. my XP computeris starting to act up. : > would I have to upgrade to the professional version to use windows 7? : > if so what is the cost of that and would I also have to upgrade to : > Jaws 14 ? What would be the cost of that? : > Thanks : > scott : > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : > : : : For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
To be clearer: Windows Mail is the Windows Vista mail client. Windows Live Mail is the windows 7 mail client. Two different clients. I don't know if the outlook Express tweak will work on Windows7, as it was designed for windows Vista. and the modern Windows Live Mail is ribbons rather than menus. - Original Message - From: "Scorpio" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? Hi Sugar, Though not commonly known, there is a version of Outlook Express included with Windows 7, just hidden from users so they can purchase Office products for Outlook, or force people to use Windows Live Mail. I have the tweaks, files and instructions uploaded to send space, but should you take that plunge into Windows 7, you don't have to worry about upgrading to another mail client, as the instructions are quite simple and easy to go through. I should also note that the main difference between Outlook Express and Windows Mail is the inclusion of a Junk Mail folder, the ability to deal with Spam messages more easily with the applications key, and a couple of annoying bugs, though I'm not sure if this is a Windows issue, or a Jaws issue. The first bug is that the auto complete feature of Windows Mail is hit or miss. Oh, don't get me wrong, the addresses do auto complete, but Jaws isn't reporting the completed address, so you're left wondering if it's going to the proper address. The second bug is the fact that when using your arrow keys to go through the folder list on the left-hand side of the screen, should you come across a folder containing saved messages in it, Jaws automatically moves focus to the message list from the folder list. It doesn't matter whether the messages are unread or not, and you're never sure how many messages you have that are unread in that folder or what, as you never get a chance to listen to Jaws read out the entire folder name and unread messages as it did in Outlook Express. This is especially the case if you have message rules implemented, and you have your messages sorted by subject words and if the messages go into their own folders. Other than that, Windows Mail is exactly like Outlook Express, with a couple of tweaks here and there. I also don't know if Freedom Scientific has stopped supporting Windows mail, but Eric can speak to that should he decide it's warranted. Hope this helps. Scorpio For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14
I would very much like the link to the Firefox 16. As to the statement made that there is not much difference between accessibility with IE 9 and FF I have found many. Just the other day I tried to sign up for the free samples on doctoroz.com and there was no space to fill in any info with IE 9 but when I copied the link and opened it in FF the form fields were there and I was able to sign up. Expressscripts.com is another that I could not sign in on IE 9. Also the FIOS website, the Lookout.com and I think certain pages of the Bank of America site. Those are just the ones I remember having problems with recently using IE 9 that were accessible with FF.. Mostly I don't compare page by page unless I know ahead of time that there is something that is supposed to be there and isn't on IE 9. I would think that Jaws should put more effort into making IE more accessible or at least fix this freezing problem with Firefox. As for using version 3.5 of Firefox. it seems to me that that would really be a security risk rather like using IE 6 or 7. I really would like to switch to Firefox for my default. Maybe the version 16 would work with Jaws 14. Thanks, Sherrie -Original Message- From: inthaneelf Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14 if anyone wishes to revert to ff 16 I do believe I have the installer file here for it still. I tend to keep them JIC elf -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14 First of all, no need to reboot your computer when firefox crashes. Hit ctrl-alt-escape, find the firefox in applications, hit the applications/context key on it and choose end task. Second of all, having used both firefox and ie9, I'd say that ie9 gives more information on webpages where there is any difference at all. I have yet to find one that is more accessible with firefox. If you are having a lot of crashes with firefox as your default browser, caused by clicking on links, you might want to change to ie as the default. You can download ff17.x off of mozilla's ftp site, you have to dig for it though. If it weren't for a couple of plugins that allow me to block ads and control what javascript I wish to allow, along with how it deals with rss, I'd use internet explorer instead of firefox. I've used firefox for many years, so I don't say that lightly. I have yet to try the release version of ff19, but the beta crashed just like ff18 did. On 2/21/2013 05:49, Sharon Gosling wrote: I guess this sounds like I just have to put up with the IE 9 as a default since most of the freezes occur when clicking links in email. One I especially remember is a Kim Komando page that led to another page and then the youtube link yesterday. There were others I remember from Lookout Mobile Security. Can't remember them all. The most aggravating part is to have to restart the computer to shut down Firefox. The computer doesn't freeze, just Firefox. I could still use more advice if anyone has any ideas. I know there are many avid Firefox users on this list. I presume that to roll back to Firefox 17 I would have to remove FF 19. But where would I get 17. And is 17 the best version for Jaws users? In old emails I had read about really low versions but it seems like they would have many security holes as newer versions of browsers generally have better security. Using a different link for youtube would not help me since I never go to youtube and search for videos. I click links from friends that take me to interesting youtube videos. If I keep IE 9 as the default I may never realize how much more accessible the page might be on Firefox. Now, I only try Firefox when I know there are form fields or other information I know should be there. I imagine there is a great deal more information that I don't even realize I am missing using IE 9. If others experience similar problems then perhaps I should contact Jaws or Firefox about it. Actually I was amazed at how inferior IE 9 was using Jaws. Sherrie Gosling -Original Message- From: Chris Hill Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:15 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14 Definitely happens with youtube, that happens with all screen readers and flash. You could try the html5 version of youtube at www.youtube.com/html5. As far as the other freezes go, I've found that the best I could do was to go back to ff17 and force it to not update automatically. I guess I should try out 19 to find out if it is any better, but I kinda hate to break what is working. On 2/20/2013 14:29, Sharon Gosling wrote: I have always been a dedicated IE user but recently I have found that websites that I nee
Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14
if anyone wishes to revert to ff 16 I do believe I have the installer file here for it still. I tend to keep them JIC elf -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14 First of all, no need to reboot your computer when firefox crashes. Hit ctrl-alt-escape, find the firefox in applications, hit the applications/context key on it and choose end task. Second of all, having used both firefox and ie9, I'd say that ie9 gives more information on webpages where there is any difference at all. I have yet to find one that is more accessible with firefox. If you are having a lot of crashes with firefox as your default browser, caused by clicking on links, you might want to change to ie as the default. You can download ff17.x off of mozilla's ftp site, you have to dig for it though. If it weren't for a couple of plugins that allow me to block ads and control what javascript I wish to allow, along with how it deals with rss, I'd use internet explorer instead of firefox. I've used firefox for many years, so I don't say that lightly. I have yet to try the release version of ff19, but the beta crashed just like ff18 did. On 2/21/2013 05:49, Sharon Gosling wrote: > I guess this sounds like I just have to put up with the IE 9 as a > default since most of the freezes occur when clicking links in email. > One I especially remember is a Kim Komando page that led to another page > and then the youtube link yesterday. There were others I remember from > Lookout Mobile Security. Can't remember them all. > The most aggravating part is to have to restart the computer to shut > down Firefox. The computer doesn't freeze, just Firefox. > I could still use more advice if anyone has any ideas. I know there are > many avid Firefox users on this list. > I presume that to roll back to Firefox 17 I would have to remove FF 19. > But where would I get 17. And is 17 the best version for Jaws users? In > old emails I had read about really low versions but it seems like they > would have many security holes as newer versions of browsers generally > have better security. > > Using a different link for youtube would not help me since I never go to > youtube and search for videos. I click links from friends that take me > to interesting youtube videos. > If I keep IE 9 as the default I may never realize how much more > accessible the page might be on Firefox. Now, I only try Firefox when I > know there are form fields or other information I know should be there. > I imagine there is a great deal more information that I don't even > realize I am missing using IE 9. > If others experience similar problems then perhaps I should contact Jaws > or Firefox about it. > Actually I was amazed at how inferior IE 9 was using Jaws. > Sherrie Gosling > > > > > -Original Message- From: Chris Hill > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:15 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Firefox freezing with Jaws 14 > > Definitely happens with youtube, that happens with all screen readers > and flash. You could try the html5 version of youtube at > www.youtube.com/html5. As far as the other freezes go, I've found that > the best I could do was to go back to ff17 and force it to not update > automatically. I guess I should try out 19 to find out if it is any > better, but I kinda hate to break what is working. > > > > On 2/20/2013 14:29, Sharon Gosling wrote: >> I have always been a dedicated IE user but recently I have found that >> websites that I need to sign in on or otherwise interact with on IE 9 >> don't even show the form boxes so I have started using Firefox for >> these sites. I have been able to sign in with Firefox so I wanted to >> make Firefox my default browser. But Firefox constantly freezes >> totally when it says it is being redirected to a different website. It >> says to press alt A or control A to proceed but this doesn't work. It >> stops and only reads the title of the website. It will not close at >> all. I have tried Alt F4 and tried going to file menu or using Jaws >> cursor. Nothing helps or allows me to close the window. I have to do a >> forced restart of the whole computer. I can't even open a new tab of >> Firefox to finish what I was doing. Today it happened when I clicked >> on a youtube link. When I alt tab away from the frozen Firefox window >> and then back it only reads the title of the page. >> I have Win 7 home premium 64 bit, Jaws 14 and Firefox 19.0. >> I have been slow to convert to Firefox but now I really want to use it >> out of necessity and it constantly freezes. I don't know what is >> showing on the screen but in the window list is says minimized. Tried >> the alt space and x to maximize the window but no response. Jaws >> cursor does nothing eithe
Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws?
Actually it is called windows mail which was introduced in Vista and then promptly abandon. Yes it is almost the same as outlook express and it can be enabled in windows 7 the fact is to do it requires adding a few keys to your registry and replacing a DLL file or so. I have done it and the files ETC are still on my server I must point out a something. You must have service pack 1 installed prior to enabling windows mail to play it safe. To be honest so far that is the current stumbling block that I am aware but that does not mean there won't be future issues to come. A word to the wise and like the note on the server says "this should not be done by a beginner". David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn Walker Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:10 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? SUgar and Scorpio and all: I'm nervous,, too, but hearing that Outlook Express is included in win 7 is easing my mind a bit. I don't do complicated things on my computer so I don't need any bells and whistles. However, if msoft is going to cease supporting xp, I'll want to upgrade my operating system. I actually have jaws' last two upgrades but am still using v 12 because it works best. I am dependent on all of you to give guidance since I do not know anyone locally who understands a thing about jaws or etc. Maybe I will just wait and see, hoping I don't pass up an opportunity to buy win 7 and get shoved into 8 or something else that I'll hate. Thanks. Marilyn - Original Message - From: "Sugar" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : Marilyn : I know what you mean, I am still handing on to my xp, but really thinkging : of turning my lap top to windows 7, I have the program, but have not : converted. : My desk top is xp though : mostly because I love love outlook express. : now that I am on the topic, what are the differences between xp and windows : 7? : besides I won't be able to use outlook express, but I think outlook is now : what I would use,right? : any feed back to ease my mind wold be appreciated. a very nervous Sugar : smile : : ~Peace Be, Sugar : "I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night." : : ~~ Galileo : - Original Message - : From: "Marilyn Walker" : To: : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:55 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : : : > Flor. what's the difference between windows 7 and 8? Someone told me that : > 8 : > is a touch screen system? Is this true? Are vision impaired computer : > users : > being forced out of keyboard navigation eventually or what? Thanks for : > any : > info. Marilyn : > ps I'm still using xp and hate to see it go. : > - Original Message - : > From: "Flor Lynch" : > To: : > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:48 PM : > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : > : > : Hi Scott, : > : : > : On both counts: No. You can have Windows7 Home Edition (32-bit or : > : 64-bit). All you'd need to do for the 64-bit Home edition would be to : > : download the 64-bit Standard edition of JAWS from the FS Web site. : > : : > : However, Windows8 is now almost universally on sale. You'd probably need : > : to go online to buy Windows7. And, for Windows8, you will need JAWS14. : > : (Again, Standard JAWS edition for Windows Home Edition.).) : > : : > : - Original Message - : > : From: "Scott Meyer" : > : To: : > : Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:24 PM : > : Subject: [JAWS-Users] Cost of upgrading jaws? : > : : > : : > : > Hi; : > : > I have jaws 12 home edition. my XP computeris starting to act up. : > : > would I have to upgrade to the professional version to use windows 7? : > : > if so what is the cost of that and would I also have to upgrade to : > : > Jaws 14 ? What would be the cost of that? : > : > Thanks : > : > scott : > : > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > : > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : > : > : > : : > : : > : For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > : http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : > : > : > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ : : : For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
