[JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

[hwolcott]

hi list:
I know when upgrading from win7 to win10, you must uninstall and then reinstall 
jaws 16.
does the same procedure have to be followed for jaw 17 public beta?
thanks in advance for any advice.


howard wolcott
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Another setting you might want to turn off in w-10

[valiant8086]

Hi.
You have to press enter on what you call the sub heading. The page won't 
change until you do that.


Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community 
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable

On 9/16/2015 3:27 PM, Mike wrote:

Jim,

Under the heading of Privacy, it doesn't matter what sub-heading I 
select, when I tab down, one time or all the way through the list, I 
get the same results, no matter which sub-heading I am on. and after 
tabbing one time, I get the verbage that I stated in my original 
Email. I don't know what could be causing this.  I might call 
Microsoft Accessibility Support on this one, evidently something is 
awry with my Windows installation. I have experienced no other 
problems however.


Mike
mike@comcast.net


-Original Message- From: jim
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Another setting you might want to turn off 
in w-10


Hi Mike,
You forgot to down arrow to speech, inking, and typing, press enter.
Again here are the instructions.
Windows key+i.
Right arrow to privacy, press enter.
Down arrow to, Speech, inking and typing, press enter.
Tab one time, listen to what it tells you.
If it says, stop getting to know you, it is on.
If it says, get to know me, it is off.

-Original Message- From: Mike
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Another setting you might want to turn off 
in w-10


Hi Jim,

I do not get anything like this. The first item in this list that you 
have

described on my computer says, "Let apps use my advertising ID for
experiences across all apps, turning this off will reset your ID". I see
nothing about "Getting to know me".

Mike
mike122...@outlook.com


-Original Message- From: jim
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Another setting you might want to turn off 
in w-10


Yes, that means it is on, press spacebar to turn it off.


-Original Message- From: Kevin
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Another setting you might want to turn off 
in w-10


mine says stop getting to know me  press spacebar
does this mean it's on?

-Original Message- From: jim
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Another setting you might want to turn off in w-10

Hi group,
there is a setting under privacy, called, speech inking and typing.
When this is on, your computer sends all kinds of information to 
Microsoft.

Such as info about you, and your contacts, your calendar, your search
history, and your preferences.
How to turn this setting off.
Windows key+I, right arrow to, privacy, press enter.
Down arrow to, Speech inking and typing, press enter.
Tab one time, if turned off, should say, Get to know me button.
Tab again, it will say, go to bing settings, you can go here to manage 
how

bing works, and manage bing history.
Last week when I was demonstrating Cortana, this setting was 
automatically

turned on, even though I previously had it turned off.
Just letting you know, of another setting which collects info about 
you and

your computer.
This is the only thing that I wish Microsoft would change in w-10, this
constant collecting of one’s computer information.
Thank you and have a nice day...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[Mike B.]

Hi Valiant,

Is what you described as Smart Navigation, something new in Jaws17?  I can't 
find anything listed as, Smart Navigation, in Jaws quick settings or the 
Settings Center with Jaws 16 & Windows 7.  If it's in Jaws 16, would you 
please tell us where it's loacated?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message - 
From: valiant8086
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


Hi.
Smart navigation and navigation quick keys are two different things.

Smart navigation is a glorified version of the old screen layout web
document presentation mode.

If you browse a site that has links placed on a line along with other
text, such as a link in the middle of a paragraph, without smart
navigation it places the link on it's own line and interrupts the flow
of the text. Visually the link is just part of the text in a different
color that you can click on, but to jaws the link is on it's own line so
you can arrow down to it and press enter. With smart navigation however,
jaws tries to read the link among the text around it just as it is shown
visually. It's more than just that, but this was a quick stab at
explaining the point of smart navigation. The idea is to allow you to
continue having efficient access to the web while giving you a more
accurate representation of the layout of the document.

Navigation quick keys is what you thought yes, smart navigation is as
I've explained here, and not the same thing as navigation quick keys.


Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable
On 9/19/2015 1:19 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Has this  just become available with Jaws 17?
>
> Would it work with Windows 7?
>
> I have Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.
>
> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Mike B.
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:16 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> It's called, Navigation Quick Keys, & here's its description:
> Navigation Quick Keys let you move through Web pages with easy to remember
> commands, such as T for table, F for form field, N for non link text, and 
> V
> for visited link. These commands are only available when the Virtual 
> Cursor
> is active. Use these radio buttons to set Navigation Quick Keys off, on, 
> or
> on only during Say All reading. The default is on.
>
> Take care.
> Mike
> This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Neil Towery
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:43 AM
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
>
>
> Hello Gang:
>
>   Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
> commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
> links, et cetra?
>
>   If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
> navigation?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[Jim Pursley]

Amazing how JAWS use over the years creates habitual patterns of use 
such as first letter navigation taht is officially called Navigation 
Quick Keys.  I must admit that I was a bit lost in the Smart Navfigation 
discussion.  The catch, of course, is that such things like tables must 
be recognizable as such by JAWS.


On 9/19/2015 3:57 PM, Neil Towery wrote:

  Thanks. OK, I have been using them, without really knowing the name smart
navigation. Kind of thought they were called quick keys.
  Have a nice weekend. Neil


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Hi Neil,

It's called, Navigation Quick Keys, & here's its description:
Navigation Quick Keys let you move through Web pages with easy to remember
commands, such as T for table, F for form field, N for non link text, and V
for visited link. These commands are only available when the Virtual Cursor
is active. Use these radio buttons to set Navigation Quick Keys off, on, or
on only during Say All reading. The default is on.

Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Neil Towery
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:43 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


Hello Gang:

  Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?

  If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[Daniel]

Hello,
You can activate smart navigation in two ways. Through settings center where
you press space to cycle through the options - off, controls, and controls
and tables. The second way is through the jaws startup wizard, where these
options are radio buttons. Smart navigation 
 Is used via the arrow keys. In controls, you can arrow across form fields
and you'll get the exact layout of the form. In tables, you navigate them
again with the arrow keys and you can pick a cell in a row, and arrow down
to the corresponding cell on subsequent lines.
Hope this helps,
Daniel

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 5:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


You can learn all about the new smart navigation feature in JAWS 17 by
listening to FSCast 113:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/About/FSCast/FullListing#Episode113


Gerald



-Original Message-
From: Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Hi Valiant,

Is what you described as Smart Navigation, something new in Jaws17?  I can't
find anything listed as, Smart Navigation, in Jaws quick settings or the
Settings Center with Jaws 16 & Windows 7.  If it's in Jaws 16, would you
please tell us where it's loacated?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: valiant8086
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


Hi.
Smart navigation and navigation quick keys are two different things.

Smart navigation is a glorified version of the old screen layout web
document presentation mode.

If you browse a site that has links placed on a line along with other
text, such as a link in the middle of a paragraph, without smart
navigation it places the link on it's own line and interrupts the flow
of the text. Visually the link is just part of the text in a different
color that you can click on, but to jaws the link is on it's own line so
you can arrow down to it and press enter. With smart navigation however,
jaws tries to read the link among the text around it just as it is shown
visually. It's more than just that, but this was a quick stab at
explaining the point of smart navigation. The idea is to allow you to
continue having efficient access to the web while giving you a more
accurate representation of the layout of the document.

Navigation quick keys is what you thought yes, smart navigation is as
I've explained here, and not the same thing as navigation quick keys.


Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable
On 9/19/2015 1:19 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Has this  just become available with Jaws 17?
>
> Would it work with Windows 7?
>
> I have Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.
>
> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Mike B.
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:16 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> It's called, Navigation Quick Keys, & here's its description:
> Navigation Quick Keys let you move through Web pages with easy to remember
> commands, such as T for table, F for form field, N for non link text, and
> V
> for visited link. These commands are only available when the Virtual
> Cursor
> is active. Use these radio buttons to set Navigation Quick Keys off, on,
> or
> on only during Say All reading. The default is on.
>
> Take care.
> Mike
> This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Neil Towery
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:43 AM
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
>
>
> Hello Gang:
>
>   Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
> commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
> links, et cetra?
>
>   If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
> navigation?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
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>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

[Deb Caldbeck]

Windows 10 has downloaded itself to my computer.  Do I use the same
procedure?

Deb Caldbeck

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jim
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

Hi Howard,
Yes, I would reinstall Jaws 17 after upgrading to w-10.
Just in case you need some reminders of upgrading to windows 10.
*Upgrading to Windows 10 with jaws 16 or 17.
go to:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade
Download the tool called utility tool, leave it in your download folder.
Download jaws 16.0.4350, leave it in your download folder for future use.
Download the Microsoft media creation tool at:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On this web page, Go to download link now 64 bit version or 32 bit version
depending on what system you have.
Download the tool and save it to your download folder for future use.
Leave all three of these downloads in your download folder.
Now, if you have not reserved windows 10, please do so.
press enter on the get windows 10 icon in the notification area.
go down the page and fill in your email address ext. this gives you a
verification email.
Now, restart your computer.
check for updates, install any updates, restart to make sure you have all
the latest updates.
Now you are ready to begin the upgrade to windows 10.
Run the jaws utility tool, this will get rid of any jaws fragmented files
and so on from your system.
Run the media creation tool.
yes, for your users account warning.
Choose, update this computer now and press enter.
you are now in an ongoing and updating dialog which says:
Windows 10 is being downloaded, continue using your computer.
This could take anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes, depending on your
download speed.
When it is done downloading, it will go through several screens itself
updating your computer and will get it ready for windows 10.
Next, there will be a screen asking you to except the license agreement,
check the yes and press enter on next.
Again, the program will run through several screens by itself.
Next, press enter on install.
now you will have no speech, this install takes 45 to 60 minutes to
complete.
After 1 hour, press the Windows key+enter key to turn on narrator.
Wait for a few minutes if it does not come on right away.
Almost done.
press the next button.
choose express settings.
press the next button.
if done right, in about 10 to 15 minutes, jaws will come on talking on the
desktop.
very important, uninstall jaws.
Keep shared settings and personal settings.
Reinstall jaws, no need for a restart here, jaws will come on talking with
all your settings, except for 2 of them.
Redo your shortcut key, control+ALT+j.
Redo the setting to have jaws come on at the log-on screen.
For whatever reason if the media tool fails the first time.
Check for updates, restart, and run the tool again.


-Original Message-
From: hwolcott
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

hi desyree:
thanks for the response.
I'll keep that in mind.
will be upgrading sometime on monday.


howard wolcott

--
From: "Desyree" 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:54 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

> yes and you may see an issue with the jaws pc cursor not working 
> correctly in some cases. this has been reported to freedom scientific 
> as a bug in jaws 17.
>
> On 9/19/2015 10:18 AM, hwolcott wrote:
>> hi list:
>> I know when upgrading from win7 to win10, you must uninstall and then 
>> reinstall jaws 16.
>> does the same procedure have to be followed for jaw 17 public beta?
>> thanks in advance for any advice.
>>
>>
>> howard wolcott
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>
>
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

[hwolcott]

hi jim
thanks for the reminder.
but I'll be installing win10 directly from my sys tray since I already 
downloaded it.

it's just sitting in my windows update waiting for me to start the process.
I will do it sometime on monday.
I did use the windows on my 2-in-1 netbook and it did work perfectly.
I do have the win utility tool on a flash drive for when I eventually 
install win10 on my dell laptop sometime in the future.

I will save this info for future reference, though.
thanks again.

p.s. yes, I will uninstall both jaws versions and shared components.
unfortunately, I no longer have a key since I used my last one last week and 
tech support probably will not give another, so I hope I don't lose my last 
jaws license key.

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it, I suppose.
take care.


howard wolcott

--
From: "jim" 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 7:27 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10


Hi Howard,
Yes, I would reinstall Jaws 17 after upgrading to w-10.
Just in case you need some reminders of upgrading to windows 10.
*Upgrading to Windows 10 with jaws 16 or 17.
go to:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade
Download the tool called utility tool, leave it in your download folder.
Download jaws 16.0.4350, leave it in your download folder for future use.
Download the Microsoft media creation tool at:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On this web page, Go to download link now 64 bit version or 32 bit version 
depending on what system you have.

Download the tool and save it to your download folder for future use.
Leave all three of these downloads in your download folder.
Now, if you have not reserved windows 10, please do so.
press enter on the get windows 10 icon in the notification area.
go down the page and fill in your email address ext. this gives you a 
verification email.

Now, restart your computer.
check for updates, install any updates, restart to make sure you have all 
the latest updates.

Now you are ready to begin the upgrade to windows 10.
Run the jaws utility tool, this will get rid of any jaws fragmented files 
and so on from your system.

Run the media creation tool.
yes, for your users account warning.
Choose, update this computer now and press enter.
you are now in an ongoing and updating dialog which says:
Windows 10 is being downloaded, continue using your computer.
This could take anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes, depending on your 
download speed.
When it is done downloading, it will go through several screens itself 
updating your computer and will get it ready for windows 10.
Next, there will be a screen asking you to except the license agreement, 
check the yes and press enter on next.

Again, the program will run through several screens by itself.
Next, press enter on install.
now you will have no speech, this install takes 45 to 60 minutes to 
complete.

After 1 hour, press the Windows key+enter key to turn on narrator.
Wait for a few minutes if it does not come on right away.
Almost done.
press the next button.
choose express settings.
press the next button.
if done right, in about 10 to 15 minutes, jaws will come on talking on the 
desktop.

very important, uninstall jaws.
Keep shared settings and personal settings.
Reinstall jaws, no need for a restart here, jaws will come on talking with 
all your settings, except for 2 of them.

Redo your shortcut key, control+ALT+j.
Redo the setting to have jaws come on at the log-on screen.
For whatever reason if the media tool fails the first time.
Check for updates, restart, and run the tool again.


-Original Message- 
From: hwolcott

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

hi desyree:
thanks for the response.
I'll keep that in mind.
will be upgrading sometime on monday.


howard wolcott

--
From: "Desyree" 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:54 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

yes and you may see an issue with the jaws pc cursor not working 
correctly in some cases. this has been reported to freedom scientific as 
a bug in jaws 17.


On 9/19/2015 10:18 AM, hwolcott wrote:

hi list:
I know when upgrading from win7 to win10, you must uninstall and then 
reinstall jaws 16.

does the same procedure have to be followed for jaw 17 public beta?
thanks in advance for any advice.


howard wolcott
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta

[Daniel]

After updating to windows 10 professional insider preview build 10537, the
JAWS mirror driver gets messed up. It says it isn't correctly installed. 
You have to remove both JAWS 16 and 17, plus the shared components, and
reinstall jaws 16 followed by 17 to restore this driver.
Daniel

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Trish
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta

I hear ya on that banking and them boxes issue..
sometimes, it's a pop up getting you to explore other features your bank
offers, such as mobil banking.
Personally, I love mobil banking far better than through the web site. 
Jaws 16 that I am still using, does very well on my bank site, it's my
bank's new layout that is hair pulling. 
But using the mobil route, it's very quick and right where you want to be.

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Ferin 
  To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 8:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta


  It once again reads the list of profiles in outlook 2007 correctly as I
  arrow up and down to make my selection as to which email account I want to
  check. This is a good thing that wasn't working in 16 for the last several
  months. Strangely enough when I do a copy and paste it does not say the
  relative command. 
   One item I must point out as an improvement is for the first time since
the
  ability to use the my extensions feature hit is that I was able to just
copy
  and paste my scripts from 16 over to 17 without having to rebuild my
  personal extensions file. Not a major deal for me as it is just some
copying
  of text and doing a compile, but it is nice that I didn't have to do that
  this time around. 

  It seemed to work a little better on my banking web page last evening but
I
  was pressed for time so more research in that area is required. They have
  got a lot of strange things up there called modal boxes or something of
that
  nature. I have no idea how to spell it either so that is a guess.
  David Ferrin
  A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved
from
  a simpler system that worked perfectly.

  -Original Message-
  From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
  Behalf Of Daniel
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 11:43 PM
  To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
  Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta

  Hello,
  JAWS 17 public beta 1 actually works excellent with google chrome. I'm
  running windows 10 professional, insider preview, build 10320 and google
  chrome canary 41, with no issues. I find that smart navigation freezes
when
  navigating webpage with lots of frames, such as,
  http://www.androidsentral.com Daniel



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  Behalf Of inamuddin khan
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:34 PM
  To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
  Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta

  Respected friends, as you are well aware that I'm always very much
  interested in new things specially a jaws or a jaws scripts.
  So I have managed to install jaws 17 first public beta successfully.
  In my windows 7 system I have jaws 16 and 17 first public beta both.
  As far as my usage's result is concern,
  I have observed following.
  Jaws 17 smart navigation is working very well.
  I'm using it as ctrl and table enable.
  I have checked different websites and found out that smart navigation is
  working nicely.
  The matter of fact is that I didn't check it to all browser specially with
  google chrome which is in my opinion with jaws 16 use not to be very much
  accessible.
  One of the most surprising thing for me is that it is working very good in
  Doug's jaws script for Skype.
  It is faster than jaws 16.0.4350.
  Please let me know the result of google chrome if any of you are using it
  with jaws 17 first public beta.
  With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
  Charlsdarwin1



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  You can contact me via Gmail:
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[George Martinez CPA]

If that works the way it seems it will be great when reviewing bank account
transactions online which I do a lot both in my personal and business
accounts.
I can hardly wait to give it a try but I am trying out QuickBooks 2016 with
the old 2015 JAWS scripts  So, will wait for the full JAWS 17  to give that
a try.
George

“If I continue to do the same things I have always done and am believing for
change in my life… That is a form of “insanity!”

George A Martinez CPA, PC 
12231 North 50th Avenue
Glendale, AZ 85304-2215
Voice 602.368.8854 FAX 206.666.2589 
Email george.martinez...@cox.net 


  


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of valiant8086
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Hi.
Smart navigation and navigation quick keys are two different things.

Smart navigation is a glorified version of the old screen layout web 
document presentation mode.

If you browse a site that has links placed on a line along with other 
text, such as a link in the middle of a paragraph, without smart 
navigation it places the link on it's own line and interrupts the flow 
of the text. Visually the link is just part of the text in a different 
color that you can click on, but to jaws the link is on it's own line so 
you can arrow down to it and press enter. With smart navigation however, 
jaws tries to read the link among the text around it just as it is shown 
visually. It's more than just that, but this was a quick stab at 
explaining the point of smart navigation. The idea is to allow you to 
continue having efficient access to the web while giving you a more 
accurate representation of the layout of the document.

Navigation quick keys is what you thought yes, smart navigation is as 
I've explained here, and not the same thing as navigation quick keys.


Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community 
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable
On 9/19/2015 1:19 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Has this  just become available with Jaws 17?
>
> Would it work with Windows 7?
>
> I have Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.
>
> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Mike B.
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:16 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> It's called, Navigation Quick Keys, & here's its description:
> Navigation Quick Keys let you move through Web pages with easy to remember
> commands, such as T for table, F for form field, N for non link text, and
V
> for visited link. These commands are only available when the Virtual
Cursor
> is active. Use these radio buttons to set Navigation Quick Keys off, on,
or
> on only during Say All reading. The default is on.
>
> Take care.
> Mike
> This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Neil Towery
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:43 AM
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
>
>
> Hello Gang:
>
>   Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
> commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
> links, et cetra?
>
>   If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
> navigation?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[Neil Towery]

 Thanks. OK, I have been using them, without really knowing the name smart
navigation. Kind of thought they were called quick keys. 
 Have a nice weekend. Neil 


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Hi Neil,

It's called, Navigation Quick Keys, & here's its description:
Navigation Quick Keys let you move through Web pages with easy to remember
commands, such as T for table, F for form field, N for non link text, and V
for visited link. These commands are only available when the Virtual Cursor
is active. Use these radio buttons to set Navigation Quick Keys off, on, or
on only during Say All reading. The default is on.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

- Original Message -
From: Neil Towery
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:43 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


Hello Gang:

 Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?

 If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

[Neil Towery]

Hello George: 
 I have read the instructions from the link you provided. I pasted them into
a word document, for easy access. 
 However, I have two questions:
1.  Since we never know whether we will be trying to use the thumb drive on
a 32 or 64 bit computer, how does one know which one to download to the
thumb drive? 
2.  Secondly, it seems to me that a sighted person needs to be available,
when the thumb drive is plugged into the second computer. Otherwise, we
never know whether the auto run dialogue appears. Is that correct? 
Neil 

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Ravi,

Go to the following web page. Here it has the instructions written out on
the web page, and the download links for the JAWS USB applications, and the
Video Intercept files. Download the appropriate ones for the computers that
you will be using JAWS on. The instructions are fairly simple, and you
should get them in one or two readings. If not, then copy them and paste
them into a text document.

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Jaws/JawsMagicUSBDownloads

Mike
mike@comcast.net


-Original Message-
From: Ravi Paswan
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

tel me friend how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
because I have read some information from jaws website
www.freedomscientific.com and download sub menue.
but I am follow the all stap but it is not make  it.
so tel me friend some thing extra about this matter.
that how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
if be posible my dear friend please kindly send me a  tutorial audio and
text to creat a portable copy of jaws.
thank you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

[Neil Towery]

1.  I downloaded the appropriate Jaws into the downloads folder on my
desktop, because After I struck enter on the download link and selected the
save button, I never saw the choice to download it to the thumb drive. 
2. Then, I copied it into the thumb drive. 
3. Next, I struck enter on it. Tabbed to the extract button, and struck the
space bar. 
Now, I have several things on the thumb drive:  
open=JAWS15.bat
Action=JAWS
icon=JAWS15\jfw.exe
shell\JAWS=""
shell\JAWS\command=JAWS15.bat
 What in heavens name is  all this? Which one is the actual JAWS software?
Can I delete everyone except the actual JAWS software? 
I may be in the position of having just enough information to be dangerous.
Ha! Over my head? 
Neil 
 
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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

Ravi,

Go to the following web page. Here it has the instructions written out on
the web page, and the download links for the JAWS USB applications, and the
Video Intercept files. Download the appropriate ones for the computers that
you will be using JAWS on. The instructions are fairly simple, and you
should get them in one or two readings. If not, then copy them and paste
them into a text document.

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Jaws/JawsMagicUSBDownloads

Mike
mike@comcast.net


-Original Message-
From: Ravi Paswan
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws

tel me friend how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
because I have read some information from jaws website
www.freedomscientific.com and download sub menue.
but I am follow the all stap but it is not make  it.
so tel me friend some thing extra about this matter.
that how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
if be posible my dear friend please kindly send me a  tutorial audio and
text to creat a portable copy of jaws.
thank you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

[Desyree]

yes and you may see an issue with the jaws pc cursor not working 
correctly in some cases. this has been reported to freedom scientific as 
a bug in jaws 17.


On 9/19/2015 10:18 AM, hwolcott wrote:

hi list:
I know when upgrading from win7 to win10, you must uninstall and then reinstall 
jaws 16.
does the same procedure have to be followed for jaw 17 public beta?
thanks in advance for any advice.


howard wolcott
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Using the Calculator app in w-10

[Kimsan]

Since it just says equals and not the results, how do we find the 
answer using jaws 16.
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of jim
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using the Calculator app in w-10

Good afternoon Jaws users group.
OK, here is what I have figured out so far with the Calculator app.
Using Jaws 17.
Just type Calculator into the windows start button, press enter on it.
Turn your numpad on, upper left key of your numpad.
Start typing any equation followed by the enter key on your numpad, this key is 
on the bottom right corner.
Jaws 17, will speak, the equation followed by the answer.
Jaws 16, will not speak the equation or answer, it will just say equals.
Press, Control+h, for the history list box.
Just up and down arrow to hear the whole equation and answers, of all your 
problems.
Tab one time to, clear history, press the spacebar, to clear all, after you are 
done copying them.
How to copy calculator results.
Why you are in the history results list.
Turn on touch cursor, Shift+PC cursor.
Right or left arrow to the equation and answer you want to copy.
Press the left mouse click, the button to the right of the numpad on-off button.
Use Control+Shift+right arrow to select your whole equation.
Press Control+c, to copy your equation.
Press P C cursor, twice quickly, to go to your regular P C cursor.
Paste your equation into whatever application you with to put it in.
Here is my equation that I copied:
99   ×   99 =‬9,801
So, my conclutions are that Jaws 17 works better with the Calculator app, then 
does Jaws 16.
My work for the day is done, Now time for Buckeye football and 
coffee...ahahahaha

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Life is like a stormy sea
That tosses to and fro,
But God's Word will ever be
A ballast for my soul.

By its truth I'll be held fast
Till I reach heaven's shore
Where I will be home at last
And sail life's sea no more!

author: Perry Boardman

THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES
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Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

[jim]

Hi Howard,
Yes, I would reinstall Jaws 17 after upgrading to w-10.
Just in case you need some reminders of upgrading to windows 10.
*Upgrading to Windows 10 with jaws 16 or 17.
go to:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade
Download the tool called utility tool, leave it in your download folder.
Download jaws 16.0.4350, leave it in your download folder for future use.
Download the Microsoft media creation tool at:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On this web page, Go to download link now 64 bit version or 32 bit version 
depending on what system you have.

Download the tool and save it to your download folder for future use.
Leave all three of these downloads in your download folder.
Now, if you have not reserved windows 10, please do so.
press enter on the get windows 10 icon in the notification area.
go down the page and fill in your email address ext. this gives you a 
verification email.

Now, restart your computer.
check for updates, install any updates, restart to make sure you have all 
the latest updates.

Now you are ready to begin the upgrade to windows 10.
Run the jaws utility tool, this will get rid of any jaws fragmented files 
and so on from your system.

Run the media creation tool.
yes, for your users account warning.
Choose, update this computer now and press enter.
you are now in an ongoing and updating dialog which says:
Windows 10 is being downloaded, continue using your computer.
This could take anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes, depending on your 
download speed.
When it is done downloading, it will go through several screens itself 
updating your computer and will get it ready for windows 10.
Next, there will be a screen asking you to except the license agreement, 
check the yes and press enter on next.

Again, the program will run through several screens by itself.
Next, press enter on install.
now you will have no speech, this install takes 45 to 60 minutes to 
complete.

After 1 hour, press the Windows key+enter key to turn on narrator.
Wait for a few minutes if it does not come on right away.
Almost done.
press the next button.
choose express settings.
press the next button.
if done right, in about 10 to 15 minutes, jaws will come on talking on the 
desktop.

very important, uninstall jaws.
Keep shared settings and personal settings.
Reinstall jaws, no need for a restart here, jaws will come on talking with 
all your settings, except for 2 of them.

Redo your shortcut key, control+ALT+j.
Redo the setting to have jaws come on at the log-on screen.
For whatever reason if the media tool fails the first time.
Check for updates, restart, and run the tool again.


-Original Message- 
From: hwolcott

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

hi desyree:
thanks for the response.
I'll keep that in mind.
will be upgrading sometime on monday.


howard wolcott

--
From: "Desyree" 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:54 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

yes and you may see an issue with the jaws pc cursor not working correctly 
in some cases. this has been reported to freedom scientific as a bug in 
jaws 17.


On 9/19/2015 10:18 AM, hwolcott wrote:

hi list:
I know when upgrading from win7 to win10, you must uninstall and then 
reinstall jaws 16.

does the same procedure have to be followed for jaw 17 public beta?
thanks in advance for any advice.


howard wolcott
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[JAWS-Users] Using the Calculator app in w-10

[jim]

Good afternoon Jaws users group.
OK, here is what I have figured out so far with the Calculator app.
Using Jaws 17.
Just type Calculator into the windows start button, press enter on it.
Turn your numpad on, upper left key of your numpad.
Start typing any equation followed by the enter key on your numpad, this key is 
on the bottom right corner.
Jaws 17, will speak, the equation followed by the answer.
Jaws 16, will not speak the equation or answer, it will just say equals.
Press, Control+h, for the history list box.
Just up and down arrow to hear the whole equation and answers, of all your 
problems.
Tab one time to, clear history, press the spacebar, to clear all, after you are 
done copying them.
How to copy calculator results.
Why you are in the history results list.
Turn on touch cursor, Shift+PC cursor.
Right or left arrow to the equation and answer you want to copy.
Press the left mouse click, the button to the right of the numpad on-off button.
Use Control+Shift+right arrow to select your whole equation.
Press Control+c, to copy your equation.
Press P C cursor, twice quickly, to go to your regular P C cursor.
Paste your equation into whatever application you with to put it in.
Here is my equation that I copied:
99   ×   99 =‬9,801
So, my conclutions are that Jaws 17 works better with the Calculator app, then 
does Jaws 16.
My work for the day is done, Now time for Buckeye football and 
coffee...ahahahaha

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windows-10-and-jaws-subscr...@yahoogroups.co.in

A Ballast for My Soul

Life is like a stormy sea
That tosses to and fro,
But God's Word will ever be
A ballast for my soul.

By its truth I'll be held fast
Till I reach heaven's shore
Where I will be home at last
And sail life's sea no more!

author: Perry Boardman

THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES
First College football Playoff National champions!!!

GO BUCKS!!!
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[JAWS-Users] test

[Kimsan]

I hate doing these, as mods frown upon them but I am trying my new email
address for this list.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[Gerald Levy]

You can learn all about the new smart navigation feature in JAWS 17 by 
listening to FSCast 113:


http://www.freedomscientific.com/About/FSCast/FullListing#Episode113


Gerald



-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Hi Valiant,

Is what you described as Smart Navigation, something new in Jaws17?  I can't
find anything listed as, Smart Navigation, in Jaws quick settings or the
Settings Center with Jaws 16 & Windows 7.  If it's in Jaws 16, would you
please tell us where it's loacated?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message - 
From: valiant8086

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


Hi.
Smart navigation and navigation quick keys are two different things.

Smart navigation is a glorified version of the old screen layout web
document presentation mode.

If you browse a site that has links placed on a line along with other
text, such as a link in the middle of a paragraph, without smart
navigation it places the link on it's own line and interrupts the flow
of the text. Visually the link is just part of the text in a different
color that you can click on, but to jaws the link is on it's own line so
you can arrow down to it and press enter. With smart navigation however,
jaws tries to read the link among the text around it just as it is shown
visually. It's more than just that, but this was a quick stab at
explaining the point of smart navigation. The idea is to allow you to
continue having efficient access to the web while giving you a more
accurate representation of the layout of the document.

Navigation quick keys is what you thought yes, smart navigation is as
I've explained here, and not the same thing as navigation quick keys.


Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable
On 9/19/2015 1:19 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Has this  just become available with Jaws 17?

Would it work with Windows 7?

I have Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Hi Neil,

It's called, Navigation Quick Keys, & here's its description:
Navigation Quick Keys let you move through Web pages with easy to remember
commands, such as T for table, F for form field, N for non link text, and
V
for visited link. These commands are only available when the Virtual
Cursor
is active. Use these radio buttons to set Navigation Quick Keys off, on,
or
on only during Say All reading. The default is on.

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

- Original Message -
From: Neil Towery
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:43 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


Hello Gang:

  Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?

  If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?

[Neil Towery]

 I changed the subject line to reflect your question concerning how much we
understand. 
 Doesn't look like the current smart navigation. Did not notice that
striking certain keys, such as H, would jump from heading  to heading.  
 Looks like we have to do three keystrokes to get the same thing we now get
with one keystroke. 
 They are talking about doing the keystrokes twice quickly. 
 Where is the option to have it like it is in windows 7? 
Neil 


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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Respected friend, here is the detail of smart navigation of jaws 17.
Read and let me know how much have you understood!
Smart Navigation, More Efficient Interaction with Complex Web Pages and
Applications Today and in the future, users will be faced with an increased
need to work with complex web forms, tables, and even applications that run
inside of a web browser. This will impact your day to day interactions with
services on-line such as banking and shopping, in addition to many web apps
found in both companies and government agencies. For instance, Internet
Explorer can be used to log onto a Microsoft SharePoint server to
collaborate with other co-workers and create and store documents. The new
Smart Navigation feature is designed to make it more efficient when
navigating web-based applications with the Virtual Cursor as the LEFT and
RIGHT ARROW or CTRL+LEFT and
CTRL+RIGHT ARROW commands move by control instead of character and word.
This makes navigation such as moving across toolbars, tab strips, and
navigation links more like navigating around a desktop application. Pressing
the Say Character, Say Word, or Say Line commands twice quickly changes to
the traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph
so you can review the text of the control. Smart Navigation resumes when you
press ESC, or move to a different control by pressing UP or DOWN ARROW or
TAB.

For example, if you use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to move across a tab
strip, you might hear JAWS announce something like; "Home tab selected,"
"Insert tab," and "Page Layout tab." If you wanted to review the items on
the tab strip character by character, press the Say Character (NUM PAD 5),
Say Word (INSERT+NUM PAD 5), or Say Line (INSERT+UP ARROW) commands twice
quickly. You can now navigate by character or word until you press DOWN
ARROW to move away from the tab strip to another control.

Smart Navigation is off by default. To turn it on, do the following:

Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER. 
Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to open the default settings file if you want to use
Smart Navigation in all web browsers, or open the Internet Explorer or
Firefox settings file. 
Type "smart navigation" without the quotes into the Search edit box. 
Press DOWN ARROW to move to Smart Navigation in the filtered results of the
Settings Center tree view. 
Press the SPACEBAR to choose the Smart Navigation option you want to use. 
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR. The
changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes. 
Alternatively, Smart Navigation can be enabled for all web browsers through
the Startup Wizard, or through Quick Settings (INSERT+V). For instance, you
may want to use Smart Navigation in Firefox, but not in Internet Explorer.

Smart Navigation offers two modes, Controls, and Controls and Tables.

When set to Controls, most web-based controls, including, but not limited
to, buttons, links, edit fields, list boxes, tree views, and headings, are
treated as single units when navigating by character or word. Performing a
Say Character, Say Word, and Say Line command twice quickly while focused on
a control will switch to character and word Navigation so you can use the
traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph to
review a control, such as the text of a button or link, in greater detail.
Smart Navigation by controls automatically resumes when you press ESC, or
move to another control using TAB or UP or DOWN ARROW. If you encounter a
table, you will still use the table reading commands (CTRL+ALT+ARROW keys)
or the Table layer (INSERT+SPACEBAR, t) to navigate the table.

When set to Controls and Tables, navigation is the same as the Controls
option when not in a table. However, if focused inside of a table, the RIGHT
and LEFT ARROW keys move between columns while the UP and DOWN ARROW keys
move between rows. When focused in a cell and it contains any controls, such
as a heading, or an edit field, pressing the Say Character, Say Word, or Say
Line commands twice quickly will switch to control navigation, and
performing these commands again twice quickly will switch to character and
word navigation. If the cell does not contain controls, you can only switch
to 

[JAWS-Users] Uninstalling jaws....16 and 17

[randy tijerina]

Friends, how in the world do you go about uninstalling jaws...16 and 
17? I just got this new program windows10i can't even find..the 
stupid turn off or shut down thing..let alone the countrol panel to uninstall.

Any help is greatly appreciated...this is a strange new beast.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Uninstalling jaws....16 and 17

[David Ferrin]

Windows key plus the letter X. Then look for programs and features.
David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from 
a simpler system that worked perfectly.
- Original Message - 
From: "randy tijerina" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:13 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Uninstalling jaws16 and 17


Friends, how in the world do you go about uninstalling jaws...16 and
17? I just got this new program windows10i can't even find..the
stupid turn off or shut down thing..let alone the countrol panel to 
uninstall.
Any help is greatly appreciated...this is a strange new beast.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] x86 and x64

[jim]

Hi Kevin,
That's normal, don't worry about it.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] x86 and x64

I’m running windows 10 pro on a 64 bit computer
what’s weird is that when I look in my OS c folder my programs folder 
displays X86

shouldn’t it display X64?
I still can install 64 bit programs, the display is not a problem it’s just 
when I was running win 7 I think the folder displayed X64!

Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[valiant8086]

Hi.
Smart navigation and navigation quick keys are two different things.

Smart navigation is a glorified version of the old screen layout web 
document presentation mode.


If you browse a site that has links placed on a line along with other 
text, such as a link in the middle of a paragraph, without smart 
navigation it places the link on it's own line and interrupts the flow 
of the text. Visually the link is just part of the text in a different 
color that you can click on, but to jaws the link is on it's own line so 
you can arrow down to it and press enter. With smart navigation however, 
jaws tries to read the link among the text around it just as it is shown 
visually. It's more than just that, but this was a quick stab at 
explaining the point of smart navigation. The idea is to allow you to 
continue having efficient access to the web while giving you a more 
accurate representation of the layout of the document.


Navigation quick keys is what you thought yes, smart navigation is as 
I've explained here, and not the same thing as navigation quick keys.



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Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community 
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On 9/19/2015 1:19 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Has this  just become available with Jaws 17?

Would it work with Windows 7?

I have Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Hi Neil,

It's called, Navigation Quick Keys, & here's its description:
Navigation Quick Keys let you move through Web pages with easy to remember
commands, such as T for table, F for form field, N for non link text, and V
for visited link. These commands are only available when the Virtual Cursor
is active. Use these radio buttons to set Navigation Quick Keys off, on, or
on only during Say All reading. The default is on.

Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Neil Towery
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:43 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


Hello Gang:

  Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?

  If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta

[David Ferrin]

It once again reads the list of profiles in outlook 2007 correctly as I
arrow up and down to make my selection as to which email account I want to
check. This is a good thing that wasn't working in 16 for the last several
months. Strangely enough when I do a copy and paste it does not say the
relative command. 
 One item I must point out as an improvement is for the first time since the
ability to use the my extensions feature hit is that I was able to just copy
and paste my scripts from 16 over to 17 without having to rebuild my
personal extensions file. Not a major deal for me as it is just some copying
of text and doing a compile, but it is nice that I didn't have to do that
this time around. 

It seemed to work a little better on my banking web page last evening but I
was pressed for time so more research in that area is required. They have
got a lot of strange things up there called modal boxes or something of that
nature. I have no idea how to spell it either so that is a guess.
David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from
a simpler system that worked perfectly.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Daniel
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 11:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta

Hello,
JAWS 17 public beta 1 actually works excellent with google chrome. I'm
running windows 10 professional, insider preview, build 10320 and google
chrome canary 41, with no issues. I find that smart navigation freezes when
navigating webpage with lots of frames, such as,
http://www.androidsentral.com Daniel



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta

Respected friends, as you are well aware that I'm always very much
interested in new things specially a jaws or a jaws scripts.
So I have managed to install jaws 17 first public beta successfully.
In my windows 7 system I have jaws 16 and 17 first public beta both.
As far as my usage's result is concern,
I have observed following.
Jaws 17 smart navigation is working very well.
I'm using it as ctrl and table enable.
I have checked different websites and found out that smart navigation is
working nicely.
The matter of fact is that I didn't check it to all browser specially with
google chrome which is in my opinion with jaws 16 use not to be very much
accessible.
One of the most surprising thing for me is that it is working very good in
Doug's jaws script for Skype.
It is faster than jaws 16.0.4350.
Please let me know the result of google chrome if any of you are using it
with jaws 17 first public beta.
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1



It is nice to be important but it is more important to be nice.
You can contact me via Gmail:
inamuddi...@gmail.com
Organization's email:
amigos...@gmail.com
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Charlsdarwin1
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 17 beta!

[valiant8086]

Hi.

My experience with jaws 17 have been such that I'm glad this is still a 
public beta only. Try using 17 with a touch screen on a tablet computer, 
my atom 1.8ghz quad core asus t100 is sluggish in quite a few places not 
the least of which is skype for desktop. Try moving up and down your 
contacts, if you're lucky JAWS will only be sluggish and keep talking 
and focusing new items for several seconds after you take the finger off 
the screen, but I've had plenty of jaws crash and restart, or jaws 
shutdowns happen to me, the shutdowns are nasty because I have to 
connect the keyboard dock long enough to use buttons to start jaws again.


While my t100 isn't exactly a speed demon, it does actually run pretty 
good, and it did ok with jaws 16. I think this ought to be fixable given 
that fact. I don't know if it has anything to do with extra code in use 
to play the tick sounds when touching no man's land or what.


With the touch keyboard, if you put it in numbers mode and slide a 
finger over to the number pad, you get extreme sluggishness or crash and 
hopefully restarts of jaws. I duplicated this numerous times with my 
asus t100 running windows 10 (see specs above) and my 3ghz core i7 
hozwell lenovo yoga 2 pro with 8gb ram running windows 8.1.


Also, the touch keyboard is pretty dangerous on the t100 while trying to 
type someone a skype chat, because if you accidentally touch above the 
keyboard jaws will at least freeze temporarily, if not just crash and 
again HOPEFULLY restart. I say hopefully there because it doesn't always 
start up again, it just closes and you have to connect a keyboard or go 
back into laptop mode long enough to press the buttons you need to start 
jaws again.


The touch keyboard is a lot better, but the touch screen support right 
now feels really gimmicky, 16 didn't have as many touch screen usability 
features but it is far more responsive and stable.


My last issue is with smart navigation. If you have a page that uses a 
list of links but they're all laid out horizontally on screen even 
though they are indeed an html list, jaws insists on putting them in a 
vertical layout. You can reproduce this on freedomscientific.com near 
the top of the page with the navigation menu that contains items like 
home, products, services, downloads, support, dealer locator and shop. 
According to the jaws cursor (yes I really mean the jaws cursor), this 
is a horizontal list, a bar of links that span the top of the website, 
kind of looks like a menu bar. With the virtual pc cursor while you've 
got smart navigation turned on, this appears to be a vertical list.


I have reported all of these concerns to fs via the 17 beta report form, 
but as that form is crazily short on the edit boxes limiting the input 
to too few characters to say all that I have to say, I wondered if there 
was a chance I'd get Erick's or someone's attention on here, especially 
if anyone else wants to confirm my findings, perhaps by duplicating my 
problem reports via the beta report form at least.


I think the touch screen issues are likely fixable as jaws 16 is much 
better. Oh also, is anyone else finding web browsing to be more sluggish 
in internet explorer 11? Smart navigation is of course on, for elements 
and tables.


Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community 
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable

On 9/18/2015 7:38 PM, Bob Edenhofer wrote:

I’m really enjoying the beta version of jaws 17 myself!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta

[Trish]

I hear ya on that banking and them boxes issue..
sometimes, it's a pop up getting you to explore other features your bank 
offers, such as mobil banking.
Personally, I love mobil banking far far better than through the web site. 
Jaws 16 that I am still using, does very well on my bank site, it's my bank's 
new layout that is hair pulling. 
But using the mobil route, it's very quick and right where you want to be.

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Ferrin 
  To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 8:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta


  It once again reads the list of profiles in outlook 2007 correctly as I
  arrow up and down to make my selection as to which email account I want to
  check. This is a good thing that wasn't working in 16 for the last several
  months. Strangely enough when I do a copy and paste it does not say the
  relative command. 
   One item I must point out as an improvement is for the first time since the
  ability to use the my extensions feature hit is that I was able to just copy
  and paste my scripts from 16 over to 17 without having to rebuild my
  personal extensions file. Not a major deal for me as it is just some copying
  of text and doing a compile, but it is nice that I didn't have to do that
  this time around. 

  It seemed to work a little better on my banking web page last evening but I
  was pressed for time so more research in that area is required. They have
  got a lot of strange things up there called modal boxes or something of that
  nature. I have no idea how to spell it either so that is a guess.
  David Ferrin
  A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from
  a simpler system that worked perfectly.

  -Original Message-
  From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
  Behalf Of Daniel
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 11:43 PM
  To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
  Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta

  Hello,
  JAWS 17 public beta 1 actually works excellent with google chrome. I'm
  running windows 10 professional, insider preview, build 10320 and google
  chrome canary 41, with no issues. I find that smart navigation freezes when
  navigating webpage with lots of frames, such as,
  http://www.androidsentral.com Daniel



  -Original Message-
  From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
  Behalf Of inamuddin khan
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:34 PM
  To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
  Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Little Result Of Jaws 17 first public beta

  Respected friends, as you are well aware that I'm always very much
  interested in new things specially a jaws or a jaws scripts.
  So I have managed to install jaws 17 first public beta successfully.
  In my windows 7 system I have jaws 16 and 17 first public beta both.
  As far as my usage's result is concern,
  I have observed following.
  Jaws 17 smart navigation is working very well.
  I'm using it as ctrl and table enable.
  I have checked different websites and found out that smart navigation is
  working nicely.
  The matter of fact is that I didn't check it to all browser specially with
  google chrome which is in my opinion with jaws 16 use not to be very much
  accessible.
  One of the most surprising thing for me is that it is working very good in
  Doug's jaws script for Skype.
  It is faster than jaws 16.0.4350.
  Please let me know the result of google chrome if any of you are using it
  with jaws 17 first public beta.
  With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
  Charlsdarwin1



  It is nice to be important but it is more important to be nice.
  You can contact me via Gmail:
  inamuddi...@gmail.com
  Organization's email:
  amigos...@gmail.com
  Skype ID:
  Charlsdarwin1
  Twitter:
  http://www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1
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[JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[Neil Towery]

Hello Gang: 

 Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra? 

 If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation? 

Neil 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[Mike B.]

Hi Neil,

It's called, Navigation Quick Keys, & here's its description:
Navigation Quick Keys let you move through Web pages with easy to remember 
commands, such as T for table, F for form field, N for non link text, and V 
for visited link. These commands are only available when the Virtual Cursor 
is active. Use these radio buttons to set Navigation Quick Keys off, on, or 
on only during Say All reading. The default is on.

Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message - 
From: Neil Towery
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:43 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


Hello Gang:

 Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?

 If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[Tom Behler]

Has this  just become available with Jaws 17?

Would it work with Windows 7?

I have Jaws 16 and Windows 7 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

Hi Neil,

It's called, Navigation Quick Keys, & here's its description:
Navigation Quick Keys let you move through Web pages with easy to remember
commands, such as T for table, F for form field, N for non link text, and V
for visited link. These commands are only available when the Virtual Cursor
is active. Use these radio buttons to set Navigation Quick Keys off, on, or
on only during Say All reading. The default is on.

Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Neil Towery
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:43 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation


Hello Gang:

 Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of  you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?

 If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?

Neil



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

[Pinky]

Hi,
Can you explain to me what exactly what research it in jaws does for you
over the regular amazon search? Also can you tell me the jaws hot key for it
as my old mind has forgot again.

Thanks in advance.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of DGH
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

I sure hope they don't drop  it.  I use  the Amazon research it several
times a week and never have a problem.  It's convenient and fast for finding
an item.  I may need to type in different wording to find different results
but I always find what I'm looking for.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it


Could someone explain the advantages of using the Amazon.com option in
Research It versus visiting Amazon.com directly?  Using JAWS 16 with Windows
7, I have no trouble either navigating the Amazon.com site or making
purchases.  And for those who find the regular Amazon.com site somewhat
cluttered or difficult to navigate, there is always the accessible version
which is optimized for screen readers.  The trouble with Research It is that
when a web site is modified, Research It often no longer works well with
that site, if at all.  Although the Research It feature was useful and
convenient when it was originally introduced, many users are now reporting
problems with it, and FS should considerdropping it from future releases of
JAWS.

Gerald



-Original Message-
From: ratshtron
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:07 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

well, to tell you the truth, when it first came out, i tried it and didn't
find it something i would use so i stopped using it and that's why i said
that. end of story and sorry to have offend anyone.
everybody has their own way of doing things and i simply use my browser and
it always works for me. you all have a great day.


Legend has it that on Friday 9/18/2015 06:57 AM, Kurt Miller said:

>Dave,
>
>Thanks. I just can't wrap my head around how such comments can even be 
>made by anyone.
>
>Kurt
>
>-Original Message-
>From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
>On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
>Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 2:11 AM
>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it
>
>Kurt,
>
>Good point.
>
>Dave Carlson
>Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Kurt Miller" 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 09:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it
>
>
>If you never used it, then how do you know it is sh*t?
>It is a great feature and gets used a lot here.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
>On Behalf Of ratshtron
>Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:32 PM
>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it
>
>researchit should be scrapped and removed from jaws. its a real piece 
>of sh*t as far as i'm conserned, lol! never used it and never will.
>
>
>Legend has it that on Thursday 9/17/2015 07:17 PM, Alan Robbins said:
>
> >Greg,
> >
> >I have been having this issue sporadically for some time now. I 
> >simply gave up on it and just go straight to the amazon site and 
> >search from there.
> >Also, just tried with the JAWS 17 beta, no go.
> >
> >Best,
> >Al
> >-Original Message-
> >From: JAWS-Users-List
> >[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> >Washington
> >Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:33 PM
> >To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> >Subject: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it
> >
> >The Amazon product search item in research it is not working on my 
> >Windows 7 computer using latest Jaws 16 with IE as my default 
> >browser.  When I search for items that as recently as yesterday 
> >returned the usual 5 items now Jaws reports there is nothing to 
> >display.  I get the message "press escape to close the results 
> >viewer.  Other choices such as weather and Wikipedia are working 
> >fine.  I have reported this to FS support via email and am awaiting a 
> >response.
> >Has anyone else experienced this problem today?
> >Best,
> >Greg Washington
> >
> >
> >
> >For answers to frequently asked questions about this list
> >visit:
> >http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> >
> >
> >For answers to frequently asked questions about 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

[Shane Hecker]

Try insert+spacebar, then r.

Shane

On 9/19/2015 12:29 PM, Pinky wrote:

Hi,
Can you explain to me what exactly what research it in jaws does for you
over the regular amazon search? Also can you tell me the jaws hot key for it
as my old mind has forgot again.

Thanks in advance.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of DGH
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

I sure hope they don't drop  it.  I use  the Amazon research it several
times a week and never have a problem.  It's convenient and fast for finding
an item.  I may need to type in different wording to find different results
but I always find what I'm looking for.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it


Could someone explain the advantages of using the Amazon.com option in
Research It versus visiting Amazon.com directly?  Using JAWS 16 with Windows
7, I have no trouble either navigating the Amazon.com site or making
purchases.  And for those who find the regular Amazon.com site somewhat
cluttered or difficult to navigate, there is always the accessible version
which is optimized for screen readers.  The trouble with Research It is that
when a web site is modified, Research It often no longer works well with
that site, if at all.  Although the Research It feature was useful and
convenient when it was originally introduced, many users are now reporting
problems with it, and FS should considerdropping it from future releases of
JAWS.

Gerald



-Original Message-
From: ratshtron
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:07 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

well, to tell you the truth, when it first came out, i tried it and didn't
find it something i would use so i stopped using it and that's why i said
that. end of story and sorry to have offend anyone.
everybody has their own way of doing things and i simply use my browser and
it always works for me. you all have a great day.


Legend has it that on Friday 9/18/2015 06:57 AM, Kurt Miller said:


Dave,

Thanks. I just can't wrap my head around how such comments can even be
made by anyone.

Kurt

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 2:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

Kurt,

Good point.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

- Original Message -
From: "Kurt Miller" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 09:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it


If you never used it, then how do you know it is sh*t?
It is a great feature and gets used a lot here.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of ratshtron
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

researchit should be scrapped and removed from jaws. its a real piece
of sh*t as far as i'm conserned, lol! never used it and never will.


Legend has it that on Thursday 9/17/2015 07:17 PM, Alan Robbins said:


Greg,

I have been having this issue sporadically for some time now. I
simply gave up on it and just go straight to the amazon site and
search from there.
Also, just tried with the JAWS 17 beta, no go.

Best,
Al
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Washington
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

The Amazon product search item in research it is not working on my
Windows 7 computer using latest Jaws 16 with IE as my default
browser.  When I search for items that as recently as yesterday
returned the usual 5 items now Jaws reports there is nothing to
display.  I get the message "press escape to close the results
viewer.  Other choices such as weather and Wikipedia are working
fine.  I have reported this to FS support via email and am awaiting a
response.
Has anyone else experienced this problem today?
Best,
Greg Washington



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

[DGH]

The command is, insert spacebar followed by the letter R.
Type in the item you are  looking  for  and then tab one time.
Type the letter  A for Amazon and press enter.
This will bring up 5 search results for that product.
It gives you a short description and the  price.
If you want more information about one of the results or you want to
purchase it, just press enter on the name and it takes you to Amazon so you
can purchase it or see the reviews on that item and also get more
information about it.
I just find it to  be quick and easy.  Almost too easy to spend money.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Pinky
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

Hi,
Can you explain to me what exactly what research it in jaws does for you
over the regular amazon search? Also can you tell me the jaws hot key for it
as my old mind has forgot again.

Thanks in advance.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of DGH
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

I sure hope they don't drop  it.  I use  the Amazon research it several
times a week and never have a problem.  It's convenient and fast for finding
an item.  I may need to type in different wording to find different results
but I always find what I'm looking for.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 8:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it


Could someone explain the advantages of using the Amazon.com option in
Research It versus visiting Amazon.com directly?  Using JAWS 16 with Windows
7, I have no trouble either navigating the Amazon.com site or making
purchases.  And for those who find the regular Amazon.com site somewhat
cluttered or difficult to navigate, there is always the accessible version
which is optimized for screen readers.  The trouble with Research It is that
when a web site is modified, Research It often no longer works well with
that site, if at all.  Although the Research It feature was useful and
convenient when it was originally introduced, many users are now reporting
problems with it, and FS should considerdropping it from future releases of
JAWS.

Gerald



-Original Message-
From: ratshtron
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:07 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it

well, to tell you the truth, when it first came out, i tried it and didn't
find it something i would use so i stopped using it and that's why i said
that. end of story and sorry to have offend anyone.
everybody has their own way of doing things and i simply use my browser and
it always works for me. you all have a great day.


Legend has it that on Friday 9/18/2015 06:57 AM, Kurt Miller said:

>Dave,
>
>Thanks. I just can't wrap my head around how such comments can even be 
>made by anyone.
>
>Kurt
>
>-Original Message-
>From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
>Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 2:11 AM
>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it
>
>Kurt,
>
>Good point.
>
>Dave Carlson
>Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Kurt Miller" 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 09:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it
>
>
>If you never used it, then how do you know it is sh*t?
>It is a great feature and gets used a lot here.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>On Behalf Of ratshtron
>Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:32 PM
>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Amazon.com not working in research it
>
>researchit should be scrapped and removed from jaws. its a real piece 
>of sh*t as far as i'm conserned, lol! never used it and never will.
>
>
>Legend has it that on Thursday 9/17/2015 07:17 PM, Alan Robbins said:
>
> >Greg,
> >
> >I have been having this issue sporadically for some time now. I 
> >simply gave up on it and just go straight to the amazon site and 
> >search from there.
> >Also, just tried with the JAWS 17 beta, no go.
> >
> >Best,
> >Al
> >-Original Message-
> >From: JAWS-Users-List
> >[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> >Washington
> >Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:33 PM
> >To: 

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation

[inamuddin khan]

Respected friend, here is the detail of smart navigation of jaws 17.
Read and let me know how much have you understood!
Smart Navigation, More Efficient Interaction with Complex Web Pages and
Applications
Today and in the future, users will be faced with an increased need to work
with complex web forms, tables, and even applications that run inside of a
web browser. This will impact your day to day interactions with services
on-line such as banking and shopping, in addition to many web apps found in
both companies and government agencies. For instance, Internet Explorer can
be used to log onto a Microsoft SharePoint server to collaborate with other
co-workers and create and store documents. The new Smart Navigation feature
is designed to make it more efficient when navigating web-based applications
with the Virtual Cursor as the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW or CTRL+LEFT and
CTRL+RIGHT ARROW commands move by control instead of character and word.
This makes navigation such as moving across toolbars, tab strips, and
navigation links more like navigating around a desktop application. Pressing
the Say Character, Say Word, or Say Line commands twice quickly changes to
the traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph
so you can review the text of the control. Smart Navigation resumes when you
press ESC, or move to a different control by pressing UP or DOWN ARROW or
TAB.

For example, if you use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to move across a tab
strip, you might hear JAWS announce something like; "Home tab selected,"
"Insert tab," and "Page Layout tab." If you wanted to review the items on
the tab strip character by character, press the Say Character (NUM PAD 5),
Say Word (INSERT+NUM PAD 5), or Say Line (INSERT+UP ARROW) commands twice
quickly. You can now navigate by character or word until you press DOWN
ARROW to move away from the tab strip to another control.

Smart Navigation is off by default. To turn it on, do the following:

Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER. 
Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to open the default settings file if you want to use
Smart Navigation in all web browsers, or open the Internet Explorer or
Firefox settings file. 
Type "smart navigation" without the quotes into the Search edit box. 
Press DOWN ARROW to move to Smart Navigation in the filtered results of the
Settings Center tree view. 
Press the SPACEBAR to choose the Smart Navigation option you want to use. 
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR. The
changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes. 
Alternatively, Smart Navigation can be enabled for all web browsers through
the Startup Wizard, or through Quick Settings (INSERT+V). For instance, you
may want to use Smart Navigation in Firefox, but not in Internet Explorer.

Smart Navigation offers two modes, Controls, and Controls and Tables.

When set to Controls, most web-based controls, including, but not limited
to, buttons, links, edit fields, list boxes, tree views, and headings, are
treated as single units when navigating by character or word. Performing a
Say Character, Say Word, and Say Line command twice quickly while focused on
a control will switch to character and word Navigation so you can use the
traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph to
review a control, such as the text of a button or link, in greater detail.
Smart Navigation by controls automatically resumes when you press ESC, or
move to another control using TAB or UP or DOWN ARROW. If you encounter a
table, you will still use the table reading commands (CTRL+ALT+ARROW keys)
or the Table layer (INSERT+SPACEBAR, t) to navigate the table.

When set to Controls and Tables, navigation is the same as the Controls
option when not in a table. However, if focused inside of a table, the RIGHT
and LEFT ARROW keys move between columns while the UP and DOWN ARROW keys
move between rows. When focused in a cell and it contains any controls, such
as a heading, or an edit field, pressing the Say Character, Say Word, or Say
Line commands twice quickly will switch to control navigation, and
performing these commands again twice quickly will switch to character and
word navigation. If the cell does not contain controls, you can only switch
to character and word navigation. Pressing ESC or moving focus away from the
control or table cell will switch back to the prior navigation level, for
example, pressing ESC while in character and word navigation will return to
Smart Navigation in tables.

When Smart navigation is active, press ALT+DELETE or INSERT+TAB to have JAWS
announce the current Smart Navigation level.

Anytime you are using Smart Navigation, either set to Controls or Controls
and Tables, JAWS will work in Screen Layout. This presents pages in the
virtual buffer similar to how they appear visually on the screen. Toolbar
buttons or other lists of controls that are visually laid out horizontally
on the screen are displayed on one 

Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

[hwolcott]

hi desyree:
thanks for the response.
I'll keep that in mind.
will be upgrading sometime on monday.


howard wolcott

--
From: "Desyree" 
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:54 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10

yes and you may see an issue with the jaws pc cursor not working correctly 
in some cases. this has been reported to freedom scientific as a bug in 
jaws 17.


On 9/19/2015 10:18 AM, hwolcott wrote:

hi list:
I know when upgrading from win7 to win10, you must uninstall and then 
reinstall jaws 16.

does the same procedure have to be followed for jaw 17 public beta?
thanks in advance for any advice.


howard wolcott
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Uninstalling jaws....16 and 17

[Kimsan]

Press windows key x tfor the quick access menu, down arrow until yu hear
programs and features and press enter.  When down arrowing, you will come
across control panel but continue to down arrow and you will arrived
eventually to programs and features.

>From there, if you know how to remove a program continue to proceed.
The windows key x was also available in windows 8.1 btw, but I am not sure
if that is where you came from.Also, with that quick access menu (windows
key x) after you press that up arrow and there will be a shut down submenue
where you can put the comp to sleep, restart, shut down etc.

Hth.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of randy tijerina
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Uninstalling jaws16 and 17

Friends, how in the world do you go about uninstalling jaws...16 and 17? I
just got this new program windows10i can't even find..the stupid turn
off or shut down thing..let alone the countrol panel to uninstall.
Any help is greatly appreciated...this is a strange new beast.


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[JAWS-Users] x86 and x64

[Kevin]

I’m running windows 10 pro on a 64 bit computer
what’s weird is that when I look in my OS c folder my programs folder displays 
X86
shouldn’t it display X64?
I still can install 64 bit programs, the display is not a problem it’s just 
when I was running win 7 I think the folder displayed X64!
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] x86 and x64

[Mike B.]

Hi Kevin,

I don't run Windows 10 but, in Windows 7 I have both Program Files & Program 
Files X86 folders on the root of my OS drive.  The Program Files X86 folder 
is where the 32 bit programs are installed, & the 64 bit programs are 
installed to the Program Files folder.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:44 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] x86 and x64


I’m running windows 10 pro on a 64 bit computer
what’s weird is that when I look in my OS c folder my programs folder 
displays X86
shouldn’t it display X64?
I still can install 64 bit programs, the display is not a problem it’s just 
when I was running win 7 I think the folder displayed X64!
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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