Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck
Hi, I have a BrailleNote (32 cell). I did a test in Notepad writing text with no press of the enter key over multiple line-breaks, and indeed the new lines begin with an indent of 1 cell to cell two. This, after all, may be the default behaviour in Notepad (at least). I wonder if we turned off word wrap, and chose 'best fit', would that change anything. Now, it's true that most lines will not have the full 40-cell braille width; so for most purposes in most programs that won't matter much. I do some braille proof-reading myself, for which i use duxbury; and there the cells (including cell 1 when appropriate) are filled in with the beginning of a new braille line. I'm quite surew there is a technical explanation of why new lines on a braille display in Notepad and in other programs begin in cell two; but does anyone here know it? It's also quite true that Notepad is not an ideal means through which to read a text file on a refreshable braille display. - Original Message - From: "Jerry Berrier" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck Hi Flor, Thanks for helping me try to work through this. I just tried typing a long string of text without ever hitting the enter key. Each time the display refreshes, it always starts in cell 2. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 9:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck Hi jerry, This may be because every new line - a hard line break, when the enter key is pressed - is treated as a paragraph break, thus making a new one begin in cell two or cell three (to conform with the correct brailling rules), in Notepad and in Perky Duck. If you have the full forty cells filled in one line, then isn't it likely that there will be a single space left in cell one of the next braille line to mark the word separation, which might be important if you have the display refreshing automatically? (I can't speak to perky duck, not having it.) the paragraph setting in Outlook and word may be set to two line-spaces rather than just one. if reading a print line in Notepad of more than 40 characters that wraps, I believe the remainder of the print line will start over on cell one of the next braille (as it will happen, shorter) line. the braille line beginning in cell two or three may be quite correct for beginning a new paragraph in braille. I do have Duxbury braille Translator, and I know that there are settings available there to enable beginning a parargraph on cell one. - Original Message - From: "Jerry Berrier" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck Hi, I think the margins are only for printing. Anyway, I just changed it to 0 on my own computer, and I still find the first character in Notepad in cell # 2. It was definitely a good thought and worth a try though. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:11 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck What's her left margin set to? In Notepad, page Set-up, the default left and right margins both are 20 millimeters. (This is the value in Windows XP. I presume it's the same in vista.) - Original Message - From: "Jerry Berrier" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck I am working with a deaf-blind person who uses a Focus braille display, JFW 11, and Vista. She's taking a braille transcription course, so alignment is important. She has discovered that in Perky Duck, and in Notepad, the cursor always starts in cell 2 instead of cell 1. (In Word or Outlook, the cursor starts as it should in cell 1.) I have tried changing some settings in her braille options. Status cells are turned off. She's using a 40-cell display, and panning increment is set to 40. Any thoughts on why this problem is occurring and how to fix it? Thanks. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit
Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck
Hi Flor, Thanks for helping me try to work through this. I just tried typing a long string of text without ever hitting the enter key. Each time the display refreshes, it always starts in cell 2. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 9:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck Hi jerry, This may be because every new line - a hard line break, when the enter key is pressed - is treated as a paragraph break, thus making a new one begin in cell two or cell three (to conform with the correct brailling rules), in Notepad and in Perky Duck. If you have the full forty cells filled in one line, then isn't it likely that there will be a single space left in cell one of the next braille line to mark the word separation, which might be important if you have the display refreshing automatically? (I can't speak to perky duck, not having it.) the paragraph setting in Outlook and word may be set to two line-spaces rather than just one. if reading a print line in Notepad of more than 40 characters that wraps, I believe the remainder of the print line will start over on cell one of the next braille (as it will happen, shorter) line. the braille line beginning in cell two or three may be quite correct for beginning a new paragraph in braille. I do have Duxbury braille Translator, and I know that there are settings available there to enable beginning a parargraph on cell one. - Original Message - From: "Jerry Berrier" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck > Hi, > I think the margins are only for printing. Anyway, I just changed it > to 0 > on my own computer, and I still find the first character in Notepad in > cell > # 2. > It was definitely a good thought and worth a try though. > > > -Original Message- >>From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor > Lynch > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:11 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky > Duck > > What's her left margin set to? In Notepad, page Set-up, the default > left and right margins both are 20 millimeters. (This is the value in > Windows XP. I presume it's the same in vista.) > > - Original Message ----- >>From: "Jerry Berrier" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:23 PM > Subject: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck > > >>I am working with a deaf-blind person who uses a Focus braille >>display, >>JFW >> 11, and Vista. >> >> She's taking a braille transcription course, so alignment is >> important. >> >> She has discovered that in Perky Duck, and in Notepad, the cursor >> always >> starts in cell 2 instead of cell 1. (In Word or Outlook, the cursor >> starts >> as it should in cell 1.) >> >> I have tried changing some settings in her braille options. Status >> cells >> are turned off. She's using a 40-cell display, and panning increment >> is set >> to 40. >> >> Any thoughts on why this problem is occurring and how to fix it? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck
Hi jerry, This may be because every new line - a hard line break, when the enter key is pressed - is treated as a paragraph break, thus making a new one begin in cell two or cell three (to conform with the correct brailling rules), in Notepad and in Perky Duck. If you have the full forty cells filled in one line, then isn't it likely that there will be a single space left in cell one of the next braille line to mark the word separation, which might be important if you have the display refreshing automatically? (I can't speak to perky duck, not having it.) the paragraph setting in Outlook and word may be set to two line-spaces rather than just one. if reading a print line in Notepad of more than 40 characters that wraps, I believe the remainder of the print line will start over on cell one of the next braille (as it will happen, shorter) line. the braille line beginning in cell two or three may be quite correct for beginning a new paragraph in braille. I do have Duxbury braille Translator, and I know that there are settings available there to enable beginning a parargraph on cell one. - Original Message - From: "Jerry Berrier" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck Hi, I think the margins are only for printing. Anyway, I just changed it to 0 on my own computer, and I still find the first character in Notepad in cell # 2. It was definitely a good thought and worth a try though. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:11 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck What's her left margin set to? In Notepad, page Set-up, the default left and right margins both are 20 millimeters. (This is the value in Windows XP. I presume it's the same in vista.) - Original Message - From: "Jerry Berrier" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck I am working with a deaf-blind person who uses a Focus braille display, JFW 11, and Vista. She's taking a braille transcription course, so alignment is important. She has discovered that in Perky Duck, and in Notepad, the cursor always starts in cell 2 instead of cell 1. (In Word or Outlook, the cursor starts as it should in cell 1.) I have tried changing some settings in her braille options. Status cells are turned off. She's using a 40-cell display, and panning increment is set to 40. Any thoughts on why this problem is occurring and how to fix it? Thanks. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck
Hi, I think the margins are only for printing. Anyway, I just changed it to 0 on my own computer, and I still find the first character in Notepad in cell # 2. It was definitely a good thought and worth a try though. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:11 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck What's her left margin set to? In Notepad, page Set-up, the default left and right margins both are 20 millimeters. (This is the value in Windows XP. I presume it's the same in vista.) - Original Message - From: "Jerry Berrier" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck >I am working with a deaf-blind person who uses a Focus braille display, >JFW > 11, and Vista. > > She's taking a braille transcription course, so alignment is > important. > > She has discovered that in Perky Duck, and in Notepad, the cursor > always > starts in cell 2 instead of cell 1. (In Word or Outlook, the cursor > starts > as it should in cell 1.) > > I have tried changing some settings in her braille options. Status > cells > are turned off. She's using a 40-cell display, and panning increment > is set > to 40. > > Any thoughts on why this problem is occurring and how to fix it? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck
What's her left margin set to? In Notepad, page Set-up, the default left and right margins both are 20 millimeters. (This is the value in Windows XP. I presume it's the same in vista.) - Original Message - From: "Jerry Berrier" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck I am working with a deaf-blind person who uses a Focus braille display, JFW 11, and Vista. She's taking a braille transcription course, so alignment is important. She has discovered that in Perky Duck, and in Notepad, the cursor always starts in cell 2 instead of cell 1. (In Word or Outlook, the cursor starts as it should in cell 1.) I have tried changing some settings in her braille options. Status cells are turned off. She's using a 40-cell display, and panning increment is set to 40. Any thoughts on why this problem is occurring and how to fix it? Thanks. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Braille display Issue in Notepad and Perky Duck
I am working with a deaf-blind person who uses a Focus braille display, JFW 11, and Vista. She's taking a braille transcription course, so alignment is important. She has discovered that in Perky Duck, and in Notepad, the cursor always starts in cell 2 instead of cell 1. (In Word or Outlook, the cursor starts as it should in cell 1.) I have tried changing some settings in her braille options. Status cells are turned off. She's using a 40-cell display, and panning increment is set to 40. Any thoughts on why this problem is occurring and how to fix it? Thanks. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
