[JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Ann byrne
I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates 
really slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load 
JAWS at start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the 
computer?  Is it trying to save itself from committing suicide


Thanks.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Jack
Running a computer without a cooling fan is asking for trouble.  If it can't 
stay cool, the components will overheat and the computer will be nothing 
more than a huge paperweight.
Jack
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates
really slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load
JAWS at start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the
computer?  Is it trying to save itself from committing suicide

Thanks.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Dale Leavens
I very much doubt that is slowing the computer. I have one old machine where 
the fan doesn't always run. Allow it to cool, then when you turn it on 
insert something insulated and small. I use little stir sticks from the 
hospital cafeteria, into the vent slots for the fan and give the blades a 
little flick or two or three or four. I can often thus get the fan spinning.


If the circuitry gets too warm you certainly get thermal run-away but that 
will cause all sort of dysfunction not just slow boot-up time.


I suppose the memory or other self check may be failing and re-starting 
several times thus slowing boot-up.
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Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates really 
slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load JAWS at 
start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the computer?  Is 
it trying to save itself from committing suicide


Thanks.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Flor Lynch
It can fry it.  There are two fans:  The PC fan, and the motherboard fan. 
The computer tries to save itself, but there is only so much it can do.  The 
PC fan can be fixed (by a replacement fan) fairly easily.  When the 
motherboard fan goes, so does the motherboard; and that all takes longer and 
is more expensive.

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From: "Ann byrne" 
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Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:14 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates
really slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load
JAWS at start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the
computer?  Is it trying to save itself from committing suicide

Thanks.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Flor Lynch
A replacement fan doesn't cost too much, and only a day or so's loss of work 
on the affected PC.

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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


I very much doubt that is slowing the computer. I have one old machine where
the fan doesn't always run. Allow it to cool, then when you turn it on
insert something insulated and small. I use little stir sticks from the
hospital cafeteria, into the vent slots for the fan and give the blades a
little flick or two or three or four. I can often thus get the fan spinning.

If the circuitry gets too warm you certainly get thermal run-away but that
will cause all sort of dysfunction not just slow boot-up time.

I suppose the memory or other self check may be failing and re-starting
several times thus slowing boot-up.
- Original Message - 
>From: "Ann byrne" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


>I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates really
>slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load JAWS at
>start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the computer?  Is
>it trying to save itself from committing suicide
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Jon C. Pierson
Hi,
If you are into fixing things, many of these fans just need a drop of
lubricant. There is usually a sticker on the back side of the middle of the
fan under which is either the backend of the motor shaft or a small rubber
plug covering the former. Removing the plug, oiling appropriately and
putting the sticker back on should get you a couple more years of fan life.
Purists wil say "buy a new one", they are cheap online.
It has worked for me in many an emergency.

Jon



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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

I very much doubt that is slowing the computer. I have one old machine where

the fan doesn't always run. Allow it to cool, then when you turn it on 
insert something insulated and small. I use little stir sticks from the 
hospital cafeteria, into the vent slots for the fan and give the blades a 
little flick or two or three or four. I can often thus get the fan spinning.

If the circuitry gets too warm you certainly get thermal run-away but that 
will cause all sort of dysfunction not just slow boot-up time.

I suppose the memory or other self check may be failing and re-starting 
several times thus slowing boot-up.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ann byrne" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


>I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates really 
>slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load JAWS at 
>start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the computer?  Is 
>it trying to save itself from committing suicide
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Jon C. Pierson
Hi,
You're talking about the chip fan and they too can beoiled in the same way.
There is however another one, in the power supply.
Again you should have some basic knowledge about electrical things and a
fair bit of mechanical aptitude. The power supply dismounts from the case
with 4 screws, the cover of the supply comes off with 4 flat-head Phillips
screws, the fan is mounted to the back of the supply behind the grill with 4
plastic-tapping screws of a fairly large diameter.
Taking out a supply means disconnecting the 40-pin motherboard connector,
probably a 4-pin p4 connector, all power cables to your hard drive and
floppy,  and well make sure you know what you are doing before trying this
at home.
Once you've done it a couple of times it's cake.


Jon


Jon



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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

It can fry it.  There are two fans:  The PC fan, and the motherboard fan. 
The computer tries to save itself, but there is only so much it can do.  The

PC fan can be fixed (by a replacement fan) fairly easily.  When the 
motherboard fan goes, so does the motherboard; and that all takes longer and

is more expensive.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ann byrne" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:14 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates
really slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load
JAWS at start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the
computer?  Is it trying to save itself from committing suicide

Thanks.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Jack
And if I might add...  If you are going to oil the fan, as I have also done, 
use something like 3 in 1 oil.  Do not use WD40.  WD40 breaks down and 
evaporates in a very short time.  3 in 1 oil does not break down and will 
last a very long time.
Jack
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From: "Jon C. Pierson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


Hi,
If you are into fixing things, many of these fans just need a drop of
lubricant. There is usually a sticker on the back side of the middle of the
fan under which is either the backend of the motor shaft or a small rubber
plug covering the former. Removing the plug, oiling appropriately and
putting the sticker back on should get you a couple more years of fan life.
Purists wil say "buy a new one", they are cheap online.
It has worked for me in many an emergency.

Jon



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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

I very much doubt that is slowing the computer. I have one old machine where

the fan doesn't always run. Allow it to cool, then when you turn it on
insert something insulated and small. I use little stir sticks from the
hospital cafeteria, into the vent slots for the fan and give the blades a
little flick or two or three or four. I can often thus get the fan spinning.

If the circuitry gets too warm you certainly get thermal run-away but that
will cause all sort of dysfunction not just slow boot-up time.

I suppose the memory or other self check may be failing and re-starting
several times thus slowing boot-up.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ann byrne" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


>I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates really
>slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load JAWS at
>start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the computer?  Is
>it trying to save itself from committing suicide
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Ann byrne
Thanks, John.  We tried that.  The poor thing just doesn't wanta 
move--like me in the morning.

At 09:29 PM 2/15/2009, you wrote:

Hi,
If you are into fixing things, many of these fans just need a drop of
lubricant. There is usually a sticker on the back side of the middle of the
fan under which is either the backend of the motor shaft or a small rubber
plug covering the former. Removing the plug, oiling appropriately and
putting the sticker back on should get you a couple more years of fan life.
Purists wil say "buy a new one", they are cheap online.
It has worked for me in many an emergency.

Jon



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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

I very much doubt that is slowing the computer. I have one old machine where

the fan doesn't always run. Allow it to cool, then when you turn it on
insert something insulated and small. I use little stir sticks from the
hospital cafeteria, into the vent slots for the fan and give the blades a
little flick or two or three or four. I can often thus get the fan spinning.

If the circuitry gets too warm you certainly get thermal run-away but that
will cause all sort of dysfunction not just slow boot-up time.

I suppose the memory or other self check may be failing and re-starting
several times thus slowing boot-up.
- Original Message -
From: "Ann byrne" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


>I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates really
>slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load JAWS at
>start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the computer?  Is
>it trying to save itself from committing suicide
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Jack
Those fans are there for a reason.  They help to keep the computer cool.  If 
it overheats, it can be damaged beyond repair.
- Original Message - 
From: "Dale Leavens" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


I very much doubt that is slowing the computer. I have one old machine where
the fan doesn't always run. Allow it to cool, then when you turn it on
insert something insulated and small. I use little stir sticks from the
hospital cafeteria, into the vent slots for the fan and give the blades a
little flick or two or three or four. I can often thus get the fan spinning.

If the circuitry gets too warm you certainly get thermal run-away but that
will cause all sort of dysfunction not just slow boot-up time.

I suppose the memory or other self check may be failing and re-starting
several times thus slowing boot-up.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ann byrne" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


>I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates really
>slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load JAWS at
>start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the computer?  Is
>it trying to save itself from committing suicide
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Dale Leavens
Usually you will have to change the power supply. Although the fan can be 
separately replaced it is about as cheap to replace the entire power supply, 
usually a couple of bolts and the rest plug to the computer components. 
About a hundred bucks.


Unless the computer gets really hot though it should continue to function. 
Of course once it does get hot you risk fire and irreparable damage to what 
remains of the power supply as well as all other components. Fire though is 
really of most concern, fire kills.




- Original Message - 
From: "Flor Lynch" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


A replacement fan doesn't cost too much, and only a day or so's loss of 
work

on the affected PC.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dale Leavens" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


I very much doubt that is slowing the computer. I have one old machine 
where

the fan doesn't always run. Allow it to cool, then when you turn it on
insert something insulated and small. I use little stir sticks from the
hospital cafeteria, into the vent slots for the fan and give the blades a
little flick or two or three or four. I can often thus get the fan 
spinning.


If the circuitry gets too warm you certainly get thermal run-away but that
will cause all sort of dysfunction not just slow boot-up time.

I suppose the memory or other self check may be failing and re-starting
several times thus slowing boot-up.
- Original Message - 

From: "Ann byrne" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan



I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates really
slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load JAWS at
start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the computer?  Is
it trying to save itself from committing suicide

Thanks.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-15 Thread Moderator
Okay folks, this has nothing to do with Jaws,
so let's take it off-list.
Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
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- Original Message - 
From: "Dale Leavens" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


Usually you will have to change the power supply. Although the fan can be
separately replaced it is about as cheap to replace the entire power supply,
usually a couple of bolts and the rest plug to the computer components.
About a hundred bucks.

Unless the computer gets really hot though it should continue to function.
Of course once it does get hot you risk fire and irreparable damage to what
remains of the power supply as well as all other components. Fire though is
really of most concern, fire kills.



- Original Message - 
From: "Flor Lynch" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


>A replacement fan doesn't cost too much, and only a day or so's loss of
>work
> on the affected PC.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dale Leavens" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan
>
>
> I very much doubt that is slowing the computer. I have one old machine
> where
> the fan doesn't always run. Allow it to cool, then when you turn it on
> insert something insulated and small. I use little stir sticks from the
> hospital cafeteria, into the vent slots for the fan and give the blades a
> little flick or two or three or four. I can often thus get the fan
> spinning.
>
> If the circuitry gets too warm you certainly get thermal run-away but that
> will cause all sort of dysfunction not just slow boot-up time.
>
> I suppose the memory or other self check may be failing and re-starting
> several times thus slowing boot-up.
> - Original Message - 
>>From: "Ann byrne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:14 PM
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan
>
>
>>I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates really
>>slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load JAWS at
>>start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the computer?  Is
>>it trying to save itself from committing suicide
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-16 Thread Gerald Levy


How can a blind person find his way around inside a computer without sighted 
help?


Gerald
- Original Message - 
From: "Jon C. Pierson" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan



Hi,
You're talking about the chip fan and they too can beoiled in the same 
way.

There is however another one, in the power supply.
Again you should have some basic knowledge about electrical things and a
fair bit of mechanical aptitude. The power supply dismounts from the case
with 4 screws, the cover of the supply comes off with 4 flat-head Phillips
screws, the fan is mounted to the back of the supply behind the grill with 
4

plastic-tapping screws of a fairly large diameter.
Taking out a supply means disconnecting the 40-pin motherboard connector,
probably a 4-pin p4 connector, all power cables to your hard drive and
floppy,  and well make sure you know what you are doing before trying this
at home.
Once you've done it a couple of times it's cake.


Jon


Jon



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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

It can fry it.  There are two fans:  The PC fan, and the motherboard fan.
The computer tries to save itself, but there is only so much it can do. 
The


PC fan can be fixed (by a replacement fan) fairly easily.  When the
motherboard fan goes, so does the motherboard; and that all takes longer 
and


is more expensive.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ann byrne" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:14 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates
really slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load
JAWS at start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the
computer?  Is it trying to save itself from committing suicide

Thanks.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-16 Thread Francis E. Khan
You are swimming in very dangerous water.  My advice to you is to purchase a 
new fan and install it like yesterday.  

Francis Khan
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ann byrne 
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  Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:14 PM
  Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


  I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates 
  really slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load 
  JAWS at start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the 
  computer?  Is it trying to save itself from committing suicide

  Thanks.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-16 Thread David Ferrin
Please tell me where jaws fits in to this thread.
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jack" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


And if I might add...  If you are going to oil the fan, as I have also done,
use something like 3 in 1 oil.  Do not use WD40.  WD40 breaks down and
evaporates in a very short time.  3 in 1 oil does not break down and will
last a very long time.
Jack
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From: "Jon C. Pierson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


Hi,
If you are into fixing things, many of these fans just need a drop of
lubricant. There is usually a sticker on the back side of the middle of the
fan under which is either the backend of the motor shaft or a small rubber
plug covering the former. Removing the plug, oiling appropriately and
putting the sticker back on should get you a couple more years of fan life.
Purists wil say "buy a new one", they are cheap online.
It has worked for me in many an emergency.

Jon



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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

I very much doubt that is slowing the computer. I have one old machine where

the fan doesn't always run. Allow it to cool, then when you turn it on
insert something insulated and small. I use little stir sticks from the
hospital cafeteria, into the vent slots for the fan and give the blades a
little flick or two or three or four. I can often thus get the fan spinning.

If the circuitry gets too warm you certainly get thermal run-away but that
will cause all sort of dysfunction not just slow boot-up time.

I suppose the memory or other self check may be failing and re-starting
several times thus slowing boot-up.
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Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


>I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates really
>slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load JAWS at
>start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the computer?  Is
>it trying to save itself from committing suicide
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-16 Thread Dale Leavens
If you can find your way around inside of a drawer you should be able to 
find your way around inside a computer.


If that is too challenging then I have no advice what ever!

What does this have to do with Jaws? I don't know for sure but it is 
nevertheless remarkable!



- Original Message - 
From: "Gerald Levy" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan




How can a blind person find his way around inside a computer without 
sighted help?


Gerald
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From: "Jon C. Pierson" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan



Hi,
You're talking about the chip fan and they too can beoiled in the same 
way.

There is however another one, in the power supply.
Again you should have some basic knowledge about electrical things and a
fair bit of mechanical aptitude. The power supply dismounts from the case
with 4 screws, the cover of the supply comes off with 4 flat-head 
Phillips
screws, the fan is mounted to the back of the supply behind the grill 
with 4

plastic-tapping screws of a fairly large diameter.
Taking out a supply means disconnecting the 40-pin motherboard connector,
probably a 4-pin p4 connector, all power cables to your hard drive and
floppy,  and well make sure you know what you are doing before trying 
this

at home.
Once you've done it a couple of times it's cake.


Jon


Jon



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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

It can fry it.  There are two fans:  The PC fan, and the motherboard fan.
The computer tries to save itself, but there is only so much it can do. 
The


PC fan can be fixed (by a replacement fan) fairly easily.  When the
motherboard fan goes, so does the motherboard; and that all takes longer 
and


is more expensive.

- Original Message - 
From: "Ann byrne" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:14 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates
really slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load
JAWS at start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the
computer?  Is it trying to save itself from committing suicide

Thanks.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan

2009-02-23 Thread Chris Hallsworth
Lol yes it is.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Ann byrne" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:14 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer with broken fan


I am working on a computer with a non-functioning fan.  It operates
really slowly.  This is the same one that takes 90 seconds to load
JAWS at start-up.  Can the heat from not having a fan slow down the
computer?  Is it trying to save itself from committing suicide

Thanks.


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