Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
Absolutely, you should be able to get away with your OS drive being an SSD and just leave that free for apps such as JAWS and Microsoft Office etc. If you have a 64gb drive, it will be a push in my experience but a 120gb ssd should do the drive nicely. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: 22 July 2015 18:11 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd What I was referring to is the metadata causes slower read/write performance in the SSD drive; I didn't mean to imply that it made SSD's slower than mechanical drives, which is not the case. But, the cost-per-megabyte ratio still may not be worth it except for a smaller SSD to store the OS on. The only drawbacks on those 2TB external drives that Londa refers to are they are almost all 5400RPM and have the limitation of USB 3.0 at best for transfer speeds. So, the better solution if you have a desktop at least is to put a second mechanical drive in an available bay and use it for your programs and data. Just use the SSD for Windows and frequently-used programs. Steve - Original Message - From: Londa Peterson To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I agree. I don't think you could pay me to go back to a mechanical drive inside the computer. I have SSD's on my Lenovo laptop and on my desktop at work. Our home desktop is still mechanical, and most of my clients still use mechanical drives. I definitely notice the difference. The only drawback is that you can't get a really large amount of storage yet on an SSD. I solved that by getting a 2 TB external that is powered off my usb port. It's about the size of a coaster, so it's extremely portable. This arrangement works really well for me, and I don't think I'll ever go back. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 4:53 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Much much faster! On my I5 CPU for example, I can install Windows 7 from fresh with an unattended script in around ten minutes. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: 21 July 2015 19:05 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd My understanding from my grandson was that solid state drives were faster. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Steve pipeguy...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd tRick is right, he old theory is you don't defrag a solid-state drive. Since they are solid-state--just like memory in a computer or an SD card--by definition, all the data lies contiguously with each other. Therefore, there is no need and can only result in harm in defraging a solidstate drive. But, there is a type of defrag done by Windows 7 and 8 as well, which is an intelligent hard-drive defrag if you have system restore running. It is part of the functionality of volume shadowing; there is a lot of metadata that the SSD must store for file management and more metadata means slower read/write performance. From what I understand, when data is deleted, there are trim commands that are stored because a solid-state drive has to copy the data elsewhere before writing to that NAND cell. The basic recommendation on sites like HowToGeek is to avoid programs that claim to have algarithms for defragging solid-state drives as they are unnecessary and tne type of trimming and defragging is handled by the operating system. in Windows 7 and 8 Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, Actually, there seems to be some debate over whether they should be defragged or not, so I'll just say, in my opinion, I don't defrag SSD's because that creates a lot of unnecessary writes to the drive, which in turn shortens the overall life of the drive. And the way the data is written to the drive, it doesn't seem to result in any real benefit. Yes, a flash drive is solid state, but some computers, especially the old net books can have solid-state drives containing the operating system. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd but as I stated in the new version of auslogics disc defrag there is a selection to defrag
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
What I was referring to is the metadata causes slower read/write performance in the SSD drive; I didn't mean to imply that it made SSD's slower than mechanical drives, which is not the case. But, the cost-per-megabyte ratio still may not be worth it except for a smaller SSD to store the OS on. The only drawbacks on those 2TB external drives that Londa refers to are they are almost all 5400RPM and have the limitation of USB 3.0 at best for transfer speeds. So, the better solution if you have a desktop at least is to put a second mechanical drive in an available bay and use it for your programs and data. Just use the SSD for Windows and frequently-used programs. Steve - Original Message - From: Londa Peterson To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I agree. I don't think you could pay me to go back to a mechanical drive inside the computer. I have SSD's on my Lenovo laptop and on my desktop at work. Our home desktop is still mechanical, and most of my clients still use mechanical drives. I definitely notice the difference. The only drawback is that you can't get a really large amount of storage yet on an SSD. I solved that by getting a 2 TB external that is powered off my usb port. It's about the size of a coaster, so it's extremely portable. This arrangement works really well for me, and I don't think I'll ever go back. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 4:53 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Much much faster! On my I5 CPU for example, I can install Windows 7 from fresh with an unattended script in around ten minutes. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: 21 July 2015 19:05 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd My understanding from my grandson was that solid state drives were faster. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Steve pipeguy...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd tRick is right, he old theory is you don't defrag a solid-state drive. Since they are solid-state--just like memory in a computer or an SD card--by definition, all the data lies contiguously with each other. Therefore, there is no need and can only result in harm in defraging a solidstate drive. But, there is a type of defrag done by Windows 7 and 8 as well, which is an intelligent hard-drive defrag if you have system restore running. It is part of the functionality of volume shadowing; there is a lot of metadata that the SSD must store for file management and more metadata means slower read/write performance. From what I understand, when data is deleted, there are trim commands that are stored because a solid-state drive has to copy the data elsewhere before writing to that NAND cell. The basic recommendation on sites like HowToGeek is to avoid programs that claim to have algarithms for defragging solid-state drives as they are unnecessary and tne type of trimming and defragging is handled by the operating system. in Windows 7 and 8 Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, Actually, there seems to be some debate over whether they should be defragged or not, so I'll just say, in my opinion, I don't defrag SSD's because that creates a lot of unnecessary writes to the drive, which in turn shortens the overall life of the drive. And the way the data is written to the drive, it doesn't seem to result in any real benefit. Yes, a flash drive is solid state, but some computers, especially the old net books can have solid-state drives containing the operating system. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd but as I stated in the new version of auslogics disc defrag there is a selection to defrag them I guess a ssd is a flash drive! -Original Message- From: Rick Justice Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:49 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
Well the size limitation is not so much of an issue, I have a 500gb ssd, I do believe that you can go up to 1tb but the rpice then jumps up. Just use the ssd for important apps and use another mechanical drive for large amounts of data. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson Sent: 22 July 2015 14:11 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I agree. I don't think you could pay me to go back to a mechanical drive inside the computer. I have SSD's on my Lenovo laptop and on my desktop at work. Our home desktop is still mechanical, and most of my clients still use mechanical drives. I definitely notice the difference. The only drawback is that you can't get a really large amount of storage yet on an SSD. I solved that by getting a 2 TB external that is powered off my usb port. It's about the size of a coaster, so it's extremely portable. This arrangement works really well for me, and I don't think I'll ever go back. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 4:53 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Much much faster! On my I5 CPU for example, I can install Windows 7 from fresh with an unattended script in around ten minutes. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: 21 July 2015 19:05 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd My understanding from my grandson was that solid state drives were faster. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Steve pipeguy...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd tRick is right, he old theory is you don't defrag a solid-state drive. Since they are solid-state--just like memory in a computer or an SD card--by definition, all the data lies contiguously with each other. Therefore, there is no need and can only result in harm in defraging a solidstate drive. But, there is a type of defrag done by Windows 7 and 8 as well, which is an intelligent hard-drive defrag if you have system restore running. It is part of the functionality of volume shadowing; there is a lot of metadata that the SSD must store for file management and more metadata means slower read/write performance. From what I understand, when data is deleted, there are trim commands that are stored because a solid-state drive has to copy the data elsewhere before writing to that NAND cell. The basic recommendation on sites like HowToGeek is to avoid programs that claim to have algarithms for defragging solid-state drives as they are unnecessary and tne type of trimming and defragging is handled by the operating system. in Windows 7 and 8 Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, Actually, there seems to be some debate over whether they should be defragged or not, so I'll just say, in my opinion, I don't defrag SSD's because that creates a lot of unnecessary writes to the drive, which in turn shortens the overall life of the drive. And the way the data is written to the drive, it doesn't seem to result in any real benefit. Yes, a flash drive is solid state, but some computers, especially the old net books can have solid-state drives containing the operating system. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd but as I stated in the new version of auslogics disc defrag there is a selection to defrag them I guess a ssd is a flash drive! -Original Message- From: Rick Justice Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:49 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
You don't need to defrag a solid state drive, turn off defrag, the access is normally about .1 of a millisecond and that is across the board as it is chips rather than a mechanical drive. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Lee Sent: 20 July 2015 22:40 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender that you have received the message in error before deleting it. Please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you for your co-operation. NHSmail is the secure email and directory service available for all NHS staff in England and Scotland NHSmail is approved for exchanging patient data and other sensitive information with NHSmail and GSi recipients NHSmail provides an email address for your career in the NHS and can be accessed anywhere For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
Yes, I wouldn't go back now, bootup and loading applications is so much faster! They are relatively expensive compared to mechanical drives but the prices are coming down all the time! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: 21 July 2015 00:58 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Another sellling point for the things. My grandson recommended that I get that with my new computer. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender that you have received the message in error before deleting it. Please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you for your co-operation. NHSmail is the secure email and directory service available for all NHS staff in England and Scotland NHSmail is approved for exchanging patient data and other sensitive information with NHSmail and GSi recipients NHSmail provides an email address for your career in the NHS and can be accessed anywhere For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
Much much faster! On my I5 CPU for example, I can install Windows 7 from fresh with an unattended script in around ten minutes. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: 21 July 2015 19:05 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd My understanding from my grandson was that solid state drives were faster. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Steve pipeguy...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd tRick is right, he old theory is you don't defrag a solid-state drive. Since they are solid-state--just like memory in a computer or an SD card--by definition, all the data lies contiguously with each other. Therefore, there is no need and can only result in harm in defraging a solidstate drive. But, there is a type of defrag done by Windows 7 and 8 as well, which is an intelligent hard-drive defrag if you have system restore running. It is part of the functionality of volume shadowing; there is a lot of metadata that the SSD must store for file management and more metadata means slower read/write performance. From what I understand, when data is deleted, there are trim commands that are stored because a solid-state drive has to copy the data elsewhere before writing to that NAND cell. The basic recommendation on sites like HowToGeek is to avoid programs that claim to have algarithms for defragging solid-state drives as they are unnecessary and tne type of trimming and defragging is handled by the operating system. in Windows 7 and 8 Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, Actually, there seems to be some debate over whether they should be defragged or not, so I'll just say, in my opinion, I don't defrag SSD's because that creates a lot of unnecessary writes to the drive, which in turn shortens the overall life of the drive. And the way the data is written to the drive, it doesn't seem to result in any real benefit. Yes, a flash drive is solid state, but some computers, especially the old net books can have solid-state drives containing the operating system. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd but as I stated in the new version of auslogics disc defrag there is a selection to defrag them I guess a ssd is a flash drive! -Original Message- From: Rick Justice Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:49 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender that you have received the message in error before deleting it. Please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you for your co-operation. NHSmail is the secure email and directory service available for all NHS staff in England and Scotland NHSmail is approved for exchanging patient data and other sensitive information with NHSmail and GSi recipients NHSmail provides an email address for your career in the NHS and can be accessed anywhere
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
I agree. I don't think you could pay me to go back to a mechanical drive inside the computer. I have SSD's on my Lenovo laptop and on my desktop at work. Our home desktop is still mechanical, and most of my clients still use mechanical drives. I definitely notice the difference. The only drawback is that you can't get a really large amount of storage yet on an SSD. I solved that by getting a 2 TB external that is powered off my usb port. It's about the size of a coaster, so it's extremely portable. This arrangement works really well for me, and I don't think I'll ever go back. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 4:53 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Much much faster! On my I5 CPU for example, I can install Windows 7 from fresh with an unattended script in around ten minutes. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold Sent: 21 July 2015 19:05 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd My understanding from my grandson was that solid state drives were faster. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Steve pipeguy...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd tRick is right, he old theory is you don't defrag a solid-state drive. Since they are solid-state--just like memory in a computer or an SD card--by definition, all the data lies contiguously with each other. Therefore, there is no need and can only result in harm in defraging a solidstate drive. But, there is a type of defrag done by Windows 7 and 8 as well, which is an intelligent hard-drive defrag if you have system restore running. It is part of the functionality of volume shadowing; there is a lot of metadata that the SSD must store for file management and more metadata means slower read/write performance. From what I understand, when data is deleted, there are trim commands that are stored because a solid-state drive has to copy the data elsewhere before writing to that NAND cell. The basic recommendation on sites like HowToGeek is to avoid programs that claim to have algarithms for defragging solid-state drives as they are unnecessary and tne type of trimming and defragging is handled by the operating system. in Windows 7 and 8 Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, Actually, there seems to be some debate over whether they should be defragged or not, so I'll just say, in my opinion, I don't defrag SSD's because that creates a lot of unnecessary writes to the drive, which in turn shortens the overall life of the drive. And the way the data is written to the drive, it doesn't seem to result in any real benefit. Yes, a flash drive is solid state, but some computers, especially the old net books can have solid-state drives containing the operating system. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd but as I stated in the new version of auslogics disc defrag there is a selection to defrag them I guess a ssd is a flash drive! -Original Message- From: Rick Justice Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:49 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
Hi Kevin, Actually, there seems to be some debate over whether they should be defragged or not, so I'll just say, in my opinion, I don't defrag SSD's because that creates a lot of unnecessary writes to the drive, which in turn shortens the overall life of the drive. And the way the data is written to the drive, it doesn't seem to result in any real benefit. Yes, a flash drive is solid state, but some computers, especially the old net books can have solid-state drives containing the operating system. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd but as I stated in the new version of auslogics disc defrag there is a selection to defrag them I guess a ssd is a flash drive! -Original Message- From: Rick Justice Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:49 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
My understanding from my grandson was that solid state drives were faster. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Steve pipeguy...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd tRick is right, he old theory is you don't defrag a solid-state drive. Since they are solid-state--just like memory in a computer or an SD card--by definition, all the data lies contiguously with each other. Therefore, there is no need and can only result in harm in defraging a solidstate drive. But, there is a type of defrag done by Windows 7 and 8 as well, which is an intelligent hard-drive defrag if you have system restore running. It is part of the functionality of volume shadowing; there is a lot of metadata that the SSD must store for file management and more metadata means slower read/write performance. From what I understand, when data is deleted, there are trim commands that are stored because a solid-state drive has to copy the data elsewhere before writing to that NAND cell. The basic recommendation on sites like HowToGeek is to avoid programs that claim to have algarithms for defragging solid-state drives as they are unnecessary and tne type of trimming and defragging is handled by the operating system. in Windows 7 and 8 Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, Actually, there seems to be some debate over whether they should be defragged or not, so I'll just say, in my opinion, I don't defrag SSD's because that creates a lot of unnecessary writes to the drive, which in turn shortens the overall life of the drive. And the way the data is written to the drive, it doesn't seem to result in any real benefit. Yes, a flash drive is solid state, but some computers, especially the old net books can have solid-state drives containing the operating system. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd but as I stated in the new version of auslogics disc defrag there is a selection to defrag them I guess a ssd is a flash drive! -Original Message- From: Rick Justice Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:49 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
tRick is right, he old theory is you don't defrag a solid-state drive. Since they are solid-state--just like memory in a computer or an SD card--by definition, all the data lies contiguously with each other. Therefore, there is no need and can only result in harm in defraging a solidstate drive. But, there is a type of defrag done by Windows 7 and 8 as well, which is an intelligent hard-drive defrag if you have system restore running. It is part of the functionality of volume shadowing; there is a lot of metadata that the SSD must store for file management and more metadata means slower read/write performance. From what I understand, when data is deleted, there are trim commands that are stored because a solid-state drive has to copy the data elsewhere before writing to that NAND cell. The basic recommendation on sites like HowToGeek is to avoid programs that claim to have algarithms for defragging solid-state drives as they are unnecessary and tne type of trimming and defragging is handled by the operating system. in Windows 7 and 8 Steve - Original Message - From: Rick Justice To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, Actually, there seems to be some debate over whether they should be defragged or not, so I'll just say, in my opinion, I don't defrag SSD's because that creates a lot of unnecessary writes to the drive, which in turn shortens the overall life of the drive. And the way the data is written to the drive, it doesn't seem to result in any real benefit. Yes, a flash drive is solid state, but some computers, especially the old net books can have solid-state drives containing the operating system. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd but as I stated in the new version of auslogics disc defrag there is a selection to defrag them I guess a ssd is a flash drive! -Original Message- From: Rick Justice Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:49 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
Sounds like solid state drive. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Jul 20, 2015, at 14:40, Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com wrote: I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
Another sellling point for the things. My grandson recommended that I get that with my new computer. Remember, life is what you make it, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Rick Justice ricjust...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
but as I stated in the new version of auslogics disc defrag there is a selection to defrag them I guess a ssd is a flash drive! -Original Message- From: Rick Justice Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:49 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
which is what!!! -Original Message- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:17 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Sounds like solid state drive. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Jul 20, 2015, at 14:40, Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com wrote: I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
No moving parts. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Jul 20, 2015, at 16:32, Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com wrote: which is what!!! -Original Message- From: David G. Carlson Via iPhone Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:17 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd Sounds like solid state drive. Dave Carlson Sent from my iPhone using the handwriting feature. On Jul 20, 2015, at 14:40, Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com wrote: I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd
Hi Kevin, SSD, solid-state drive. You do not defrag these. Defragging is for mechanical drives only. HTH, Rick Justice Tomorrow's another day, another way! and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved! - Original Message - From: Kevin Lee klee...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:40 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] defragment ssd I downloaded the new version of auslogics disc defrag and noticed a new entry in the defrag list. what am I doing when I defragment ssd? Email is golden!!! Kevin Lee For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
