Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
I'm sorry but I cannot afford to have 2 laptops. I'm glad you have the finances to own multiple laptops affording you the ability of upgrading to Windows 10, but for someone like myself it just isn't feasible. I'm using Windows 7 Home (64 Bit) with latest build of JAWS 17 and a TripleTalk USB hardware synth, and I'm experiencing zero issues. My All-in-1 Epson printer/scanner/copier works. My WD 2 TB USB hard drive work. My duel layer DVD burner works... in other words nothing is broke, so I'm not in a rush to change anything. I'm not a computer/software programmer so I have no idea what a "Faster OS" mean. All I know is when I open an application or visit a page on the web,, my PC does the job and does it well. So please don't look at people hesitant about upgrading to Windows 10 as "Cavemen living in the stone age" for in this instance there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Continued fortune with your experience with Windows 10. When I feel the time is right and feel comfortable enough to take my flawlessly working Windows 7 PC down the road of uncertainty, I'll upgrade. That won't be anytime soon though. LOL! At 11:39 AM 12/6/2015, you wrote: Hi, My Dell twine 3 in 1 and my canoscan with Openbook has had no problem with drivers. There is nothing wrong in using 2 laptops one running Wind 10 and the other Wind 7, because jaws is jaws. And I know that someone is going to have a problem on their hardwear compatibility. But, are we suppose to stay living in the caveman era? Jorge -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Annette Carr Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 10:27 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update I personally believe that upgrading to Windows10 needs to be an individual decision. No one should be criticized for choosing to upgrade or not to upgrade. I am annoyed that Microsoft has taken this approach to force it on us, but that is not my reason for not upgrading. My primary reason is that my employer will not be upgrading to Windows10 anytime soon. As I grow older and wiser, I've decided that it is not worth my time and effort to be running different computer setups at work and home. There was a time in my life when I was simultaneously proficient in using Apple IIe, Apple GS, Apple Mac, and Windows 3.5, as well as able to write computer code in 4 different programming languages. I now leave the multi-platform use to others of you on this list. I monitor the information shared on this list and tuck it away (or search the archives) when I do need the knowledge. In addition, I'm pretty sure that when I do make the decision to upgrade at home, I will be faced with looking for a new printer and scanner. As best as I can tell neither will be supported in Windows10, but since I've been using them since WindowsXP I am well due for replacements of these devices. So my holiday which for this list is to continue to see useful information being shared on this list and no more criticism of people's personal decisions. We get enough stuff pushed on us from technology manufacturers. Happy Holidays to All!! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pursley Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Here's a thought. We have until 2020 to use a fully supported Win7 which works with few problems. I prefer to use the computer as a productivity tool and will leave upgrade headaches to others. When I find that Win10 has enhancements which will materially help me in my work, then I'll consider upgrading. Meanwhile the status quo serves me fine. My job gives me challenges enough. On 12/6/2015 11:15 AM, K. Washington wrote: > You are so right with this point. > > Even things like CD/DVD burners and Blu-ray players stop working due > to driver issues with Windows 10. In addition the incompatibility > issues JAWS has with the new Microsoft Edge browser makes this a > no-brainer for me at least. > > I'm still using Windows 7 and will continue to do so as long as possible. > > I believe in the saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it." > > At 06:33 AM 12/6/2015, you wrote: > >> And suppose list members take your advice and rush to upgrade to >> Windows 10 only to discover that their printers and scanners no >> longer work because Windows 10 drivers are not available for them. >> What then? >> >> Gerald >> >> >> >> -Original Message- From: David Moore >> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 2:16 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware >> of windows update >> >> Hi, >> When I upgraded to win10, I did
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Well, there's never an iron-clad guarantee that something may not go wrong in any update process. In fact, the most common advise you see is to back up your important data before undertaking any major update. And most people regularly update their important data, don't they! Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 6:08 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: block quote Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Hi, Please STOP complaining about windows 10 Jerald, And the person who posted upgrading a really sick computer to windows 10, Are you kidding, you should hit that PC with a bat first. We are not talking about anything that has to do with jaws or learning jaws. Jorge -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 9:43 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Your advice is right-on. If you visit the manufacturer's web site to search for drivers for your peripheral devices, the site will usually detect which OS you currently have installed and search for drivers for that particular OS. So if, for instance, you visit the Samsung web site to search for Windows 10 drivers for your Samsung laser printer before you upgrade to Windows 10, the site will detect your current OS, which will probably be either Windows 7 or 8. So you would first have to upgrade to Windows 10 to determine whether Windows 10 drivers were actually available for your printer. Of course, you could search for third-party Windows 10 drivers for your printer before you upgrade to Windows 10, but this is generally not recommended, as the reliability of such drivers is often suspect. And before you think that you can just rush out and buy a new printer if you are unable to find Windows 10 drivers for your old one, keep in mind that many, if not most, new printers, no longer come with tactile, rocker power switches, and often require sighted assistance to set up and operate because they have LCD display screens whose menu options are often totally inaccessible. The same is true for scanners and all-in-one units. So again, proceed with caution. There is no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10, since Windows 7 will be supported until early 2020. Even Eric Damery has recommended that JAWS users wait awhile before upgrading. Gerald -Original Message- From: K. Washington Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update That's the point those who are imploring everyone to upgrade do not tell you. You will encounter driver issues with printers, scanners, DVD players, USB drives and the list goes on. If you don't mind loosing the ability to use hardware devices you now rely on, then go ahead and upgrade to Windows 10. A smart person would first do research to make sure their PC and all peripheral devices connected is 100% compatible with an OS before attempting to use it. If you are one who likes living on the "Microsoft" edge, then I guess taking such precautions means nothing. At 01:26 AM 12/6/2015, you wrote: >Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen >automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. >No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last >week which had multiple software driver issues. >It is not running smoothly on Win 10. >'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer >Beware'. >Glen > >*** > >On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: >>Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update >>people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not >>reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? >>If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or >>are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? >> >>On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: >>>Hi. >>> >>>You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the >>>kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. >>>Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 >>>updates before restart. >>>When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search >>>for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended >>>updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready >>>for install. >>>Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu >>>button to get acces to the "Hide update". >>>When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer >>>be able to install automatically. >>> >>>I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, >>>that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's >>>see. >>> >>>Merry Christmas to all! >>>Hans Pauli >>> >>>-Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario >>>Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM >>>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware >>>of windows update >>> >>>Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was >>>going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Excuse me, but exactly how was I complaining about Windows 10? I merely pointed out that there are driver issues to consider before upgrading. My post was most certainly on topic for this list, but if you believe otherwise, then take it up with the moderators. And if you are happy with Windows 10, then more power to you. Gerald -Original Message- From: TheHangMan Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 10:06 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Hi, Please STOP complaining about windows 10 Jerald, And the person who posted upgrading a really sick computer to windows 10, Are you kidding, you should hit that PC with a bat first. We are not talking about anything that has to do with jaws or learning jaws. Jorge -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 9:43 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Your advice is right-on. If you visit the manufacturer's web site to search for drivers for your peripheral devices, the site will usually detect which OS you currently have installed and search for drivers for that particular OS. So if, for instance, you visit the Samsung web site to search for Windows 10 drivers for your Samsung laser printer before you upgrade to Windows 10, the site will detect your current OS, which will probably be either Windows 7 or 8. So you would first have to upgrade to Windows 10 to determine whether Windows 10 drivers were actually available for your printer. Of course, you could search for third-party Windows 10 drivers for your printer before you upgrade to Windows 10, but this is generally not recommended, as the reliability of such drivers is often suspect. And before you think that you can just rush out and buy a new printer if you are unable to find Windows 10 drivers for your old one, keep in mind that many, if not most, new printers, no longer come with tactile, rocker power switches, and often require sighted assistance to set up and operate because they have LCD display screens whose menu options are often totally inaccessible. The same is true for scanners and all-in-one units. So again, proceed with caution. There is no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10, since Windows 7 will be supported until early 2020. Even Eric Damery has recommended that JAWS users wait awhile before upgrading. Gerald -Original Message- From: K. Washington Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update That's the point those who are imploring everyone to upgrade do not tell you. You will encounter driver issues with printers, scanners, DVD players, USB drives and the list goes on. If you don't mind loosing the ability to use hardware devices you now rely on, then go ahead and upgrade to Windows 10. A smart person would first do research to make sure their PC and all peripheral devices connected is 100% compatible with an OS before attempting to use it. If you are one who likes living on the "Microsoft" edge, then I guess taking such precautions means nothing. At 01:26 AM 12/6/2015, you wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Not necessarily. When I first connected my Samsung laser printer to my current Windows 7 PC, the OS could not find compatible drivers for it. This printer worked fine with my XP PC. So I had to visit the Samsung downloads site to find Wimdows 7 drivers for my printer. You cannot assume that the OS will always detect compatible drivers for your peripheral devices. Gerald -Original Message- From: Kevin Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 10:46 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update the windows 10 OS is capable of detecting the drivers needed as with windows 7 and 8 -Original Message- From: Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 3:33 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update And suppose list members take your advice and rush to upgrade to Windows 10 only to discover that their printers and scanners no longer work because Windows 10 drivers are not available for them. What then? Gerald -Original Message- From: David Moore Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 2:16 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Hi, When I upgraded to win10, I did not lose one file, non of my settings were changed, and everything worked on my computer just like it did before I upgraded. All I got were many many benefits. Please do not listen to all of the negative stuff going around out there. Jim Flusche helped a lot of us learn how to use win10 after many of us installed it. Non of us have had any trouble and the up date went exactly like it was supposed to. Go win10, upgrade, and enjoy a great reward. -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 2:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re:
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
I personally believe that upgrading to Windows10 needs to be an individual decision. No one should be criticized for choosing to upgrade or not to upgrade. I am annoyed that Microsoft has taken this approach to force it on us, but that is not my reason for not upgrading. My primary reason is that my employer will not be upgrading to Windows10 anytime soon. As I grow older and wiser, I've decided that it is not worth my time and effort to be running different computer setups at work and home. There was a time in my life when I was simultaneously proficient in using Apple IIe, Apple GS, Apple Mac, and Windows 3.5, as well as able to write computer code in 4 different programming languages. I now leave the multi-platform use to others of you on this list. I monitor the information shared on this list and tuck it away (or search the archives) when I do need the knowledge. In addition, I'm pretty sure that when I do make the decision to upgrade at home, I will be faced with looking for a new printer and scanner. As best as I can tell neither will be supported in Windows10, but since I've been using them since WindowsXP I am well due for replacements of these devices. So my holiday which for this list is to continue to see useful information being shared on this list and no more criticism of people's personal decisions. We get enough stuff pushed on us from technology manufacturers. Happy Holidays to All!! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pursley Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Here's a thought. We have until 2020 to use a fully supported Win7 which works with few problems. I prefer to use the computer as a productivity tool and will leave upgrade headaches to others. When I find that Win10 has enhancements which will materially help me in my work, then I'll consider upgrading. Meanwhile the status quo serves me fine. My job gives me challenges enough. On 12/6/2015 11:15 AM, K. Washington wrote: > You are so right with this point. > > Even things like CD/DVD burners and Blu-ray players stop working due > to driver issues with Windows 10. In addition the incompatibility > issues JAWS has with the new Microsoft Edge browser makes this a > no-brainer for me at least. > > I'm still using Windows 7 and will continue to do so as long as possible. > > I believe in the saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it." > > At 06:33 AM 12/6/2015, you wrote: > >> And suppose list members take your advice and rush to upgrade to >> Windows 10 only to discover that their printers and scanners no >> longer work because Windows 10 drivers are not available for them. >> What then? >> >> Gerald >> >> >> >> -Original Message- From: David Moore >> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 2:16 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware >> of windows update >> >> Hi, >> When I upgraded to win10, I did not lose one file, non of my settings >> were changed, and everything worked on my computer just like it did >> before I upgraded. All I got were many many benefits. Please do not >> listen to all of the negative stuff going around out there. Jim >> Flusche helped a lot of us learn how to use win10 after many of us >> installed it. Non of us have had any trouble and the up date went >> exactly like it was supposed to. Go win10, upgrade, and enjoy a great >> reward. >> >> >> -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow >> Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 2:08 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware >> of windows update >> >> So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? >> >> On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: >>> Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen >>> automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. >>> No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 >>> PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. >>> It is not running smoothly on Win 10. >>> 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer >>> Beware'. >>> Glen >>> >>> *** >>> >>> On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: > Hi. > > You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove > the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. > Don't
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Your advice is right-on. If you visit the manufacturer's web site to search for drivers for your peripheral devices, the site will usually detect which OS you currently have installed and search for drivers for that particular OS. So if, for instance, you visit the Samsung web site to search for Windows 10 drivers for your Samsung laser printer before you upgrade to Windows 10, the site will detect your current OS, which will probably be either Windows 7 or 8. So you would first have to upgrade to Windows 10 to determine whether Windows 10 drivers were actually available for your printer. Of course, you could search for third-party Windows 10 drivers for your printer before you upgrade to Windows 10, but this is generally not recommended, as the reliability of such drivers is often suspect. And before you think that you can just rush out and buy a new printer if you are unable to find Windows 10 drivers for your old one, keep in mind that many, if not most, new printers, no longer come with tactile, rocker power switches, and often require sighted assistance to set up and operate because they have LCD display screens whose menu options are often totally inaccessible. The same is true for scanners and all-in-one units. So again, proceed with caution. There is no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10, since Windows 7 will be supported until early 2020. Even Eric Damery has recommended that JAWS users wait awhile before upgrading. Gerald -Original Message- From: K. Washington Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update That's the point those who are imploring everyone to upgrade do not tell you. You will encounter driver issues with printers, scanners, DVD players, USB drives and the list goes on. If you don't mind loosing the ability to use hardware devices you now rely on, then go ahead and upgrade to Windows 10. A smart person would first do research to make sure their PC and all peripheral devices connected is 100% compatible with an OS before attempting to use it. If you are one who likes living on the "Microsoft" edge, then I guess taking such precautions means nothing. At 01:26 AM 12/6/2015, you wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB
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the windows 10 OS is capable of detecting the drivers needed as with windows 7 and 8 -Original Message- From: Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 3:33 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update And suppose list members take your advice and rush to upgrade to Windows 10 only to discover that their printers and scanners no longer work because Windows 10 drivers are not available for them. What then? Gerald -Original Message- From: David Moore Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 2:16 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Hi, When I upgraded to win10, I did not lose one file, non of my settings were changed, and everything worked on my computer just like it did before I upgraded. All I got were many many benefits. Please do not listen to all of the negative stuff going around out there. Jim Flusche helped a lot of us learn how to use win10 after many of us installed it. Non of us have had any trouble and the up date went exactly like it was supposed to. Go win10, upgrade, and enjoy a great reward. -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 2:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and
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Enough of all this bickering, I'm sick of reading all of these messages going around about do it, don't do it, ETC. If a person wants to upgrade or not it is their choice. The list is for supporting them in whatever decision they decide to make not to criticize them for going one way or another. I mean it boys and girls knock it off already, if I have to shutdown the list for a few days again to get my point across I'll do it. David Ferrin A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked perfectly. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I agree. 2 of the Win 10 computers in the house we had to go and find the drivers for the printer. I have upgraded 1 of my computers and the other 1 I am not for various reasons, it's my choose to do so or not. This thread is going on forever. It's simple Microsoft wants everyone on 10 and is going to push it on you unless you change your settings and get rid of it. Some use it and it is fine and some don't want to use it. I hope we can end this argument about it soon. We all know what's going to or could happen if we don't change update settings. Microsoft shouldn't be pushing it but they are and we can't do anything about that. There are many reasons that one may not want to upgrade and so let them make their own decision. After blindness and a double organ transplant, you can say I am as resilient as rubber, anything you throw at me I am going to bounce back from! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 11:12 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Not necessarily. When I first connected my Samsung laser printer to my current Windows 7 PC, the OS could not find compatible drivers for it. This printer worked fine with my XP PC. So I had to visit the Samsung downloads site to find Wimdows 7 drivers for my printer. You cannot assume that the OS will always detect compatible drivers for your peripheral devices. Gerald -Original Message- From: Kevin Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 10:46 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update the windows 10 OS is capable of detecting the drivers needed as with windows 7 and 8 -Original Message- From: Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 3:33 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update And suppose list members take your advice and rush to upgrade to Windows 10 only to discover that their printers and scanners no longer work because Windows 10 drivers are not available for them. What then? Gerald -Original Message- From: David Moore Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 2:16 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Hi, When I upgraded to win10, I did not lose one file, non of my settings were changed, and everything worked on my computer just like it did before I upgraded. All I got were many many benefits. Please do not listen to all of the negative stuff going around out there. Jim Flusche helped a lot of us learn how to use win10 after many of us installed it. Non of us have had any trouble and the up date went exactly like it was supposed to. Go win10, upgrade, and enjoy a great reward. -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 2:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: > Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen > automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. > No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last > week which had multiple software driver issues. > It is not running smoothly on Win 10. > 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer > Beware'. > Glen > > *** > > On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: >> Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update >> people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not >> reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? >> If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or >> are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? >> >> On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the >>> kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. >>> Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 >>> updates before restart. >>> When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search >>> for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended >>> updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready >>> for install. >>> Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu >>> button to get acces to the "Hide update". >>> When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer >>> be able to install automatically. >>> >>> I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, >>> that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's >>> see. >>> >>> Merry Christmas
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Hi, My Dell twine 3 in 1 and my canoscan with Openbook has had no problem with drivers. There is nothing wrong in using 2 laptops one running Wind 10 and the other Wind 7, because jaws is jaws. And I know that someone is going to have a problem on their hardwear compatibility. But, are we suppose to stay living in the caveman era? Jorge -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Annette Carr Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 10:27 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update I personally believe that upgrading to Windows10 needs to be an individual decision. No one should be criticized for choosing to upgrade or not to upgrade. I am annoyed that Microsoft has taken this approach to force it on us, but that is not my reason for not upgrading. My primary reason is that my employer will not be upgrading to Windows10 anytime soon. As I grow older and wiser, I've decided that it is not worth my time and effort to be running different computer setups at work and home. There was a time in my life when I was simultaneously proficient in using Apple IIe, Apple GS, Apple Mac, and Windows 3.5, as well as able to write computer code in 4 different programming languages. I now leave the multi-platform use to others of you on this list. I monitor the information shared on this list and tuck it away (or search the archives) when I do need the knowledge. In addition, I'm pretty sure that when I do make the decision to upgrade at home, I will be faced with looking for a new printer and scanner. As best as I can tell neither will be supported in Windows10, but since I've been using them since WindowsXP I am well due for replacements of these devices. So my holiday which for this list is to continue to see useful information being shared on this list and no more criticism of people's personal decisions. We get enough stuff pushed on us from technology manufacturers. Happy Holidays to All!! Annette -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pursley Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 8:45 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Here's a thought. We have until 2020 to use a fully supported Win7 which works with few problems. I prefer to use the computer as a productivity tool and will leave upgrade headaches to others. When I find that Win10 has enhancements which will materially help me in my work, then I'll consider upgrading. Meanwhile the status quo serves me fine. My job gives me challenges enough. On 12/6/2015 11:15 AM, K. Washington wrote: > You are so right with this point. > > Even things like CD/DVD burners and Blu-ray players stop working due > to driver issues with Windows 10. In addition the incompatibility > issues JAWS has with the new Microsoft Edge browser makes this a > no-brainer for me at least. > > I'm still using Windows 7 and will continue to do so as long as possible. > > I believe in the saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it." > > At 06:33 AM 12/6/2015, you wrote: > >> And suppose list members take your advice and rush to upgrade to >> Windows 10 only to discover that their printers and scanners no >> longer work because Windows 10 drivers are not available for them. >> What then? >> >> Gerald >> >> >> >> -Original Message- From: David Moore >> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 2:16 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware >> of windows update >> >> Hi, >> When I upgraded to win10, I did not lose one file, non of my settings >> were changed, and everything worked on my computer just like it did >> before I upgraded. All I got were many many benefits. Please do not >> listen to all of the negative stuff going around out there. Jim >> Flusche helped a lot of us learn how to use win10 after many of us >> installed it. Non of us have had any trouble and the up date went >> exactly like it was supposed to. Go win10, upgrade, and enjoy a great >> reward. >> >> >> -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow >> Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 2:08 AM >> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware >> of windows update >> >> So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? >> >> On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: >>> Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen >>> automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. >>> No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 >>> PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. >>> It is not running smoothly on Win 10. >>> 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as
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Thank you David. That is just what I was writing about, ending this thread. Have a great day. After blindness and a double organ transplant, you can say I am as resilient as rubber, anything you throw at me I am going to bounce back from! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 12:09 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Enough of all this bickering, I'm sick of reading all of these messages going around about do it, don't do it, ETC. If a person wants to upgrade or not it is their choice. The list is for supporting them in whatever decision they decide to make not to criticize them for going one way or another. I mean it boys and girls knock it off already, if I have to shutdown the list for a few days again to get my point across I'll do it. David Ferrin A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked perfectly. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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And suppose list members take your advice and rush to upgrade to Windows 10 only to discover that their printers and scanners no longer work because Windows 10 drivers are not available for them. What then? Gerald -Original Message- From: David Moore Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 2:16 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Hi, When I upgraded to win10, I did not lose one file, non of my settings were changed, and everything worked on my computer just like it did before I upgraded. All I got were many many benefits. Please do not listen to all of the negative stuff going around out there. Jim Flusche helped a lot of us learn how to use win10 after many of us installed it. Non of us have had any trouble and the up date went exactly like it was supposed to. Go win10, upgrade, and enjoy a great reward. -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 2:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that
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That's the point those who are imploring everyone to upgrade do not tell you. You will encounter driver issues with printers, scanners, DVD players, USB drives and the list goes on. If you don't mind loosing the ability to use hardware devices you now rely on, then go ahead and upgrade to Windows 10. A smart person would first do research to make sure their PC and all peripheral devices connected is 100% compatible with an OS before attempting to use it. If you are one who likes living on the "Microsoft" edge, then I guess taking such precautions means nothing. At 01:26 AM 12/6/2015, you wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: block quote Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Here's a thought. We have until 2020 to use a fully supported Win7 which works with few problems. I prefer to use the computer as a productivity tool and will leave upgrade headaches to others. When I find that Win10 has enhancements which will materially help me in my work, then I'll consider upgrading. Meanwhile the status quo serves me fine. My job gives me challenges enough. On 12/6/2015 11:15 AM, K. Washington wrote: You are so right with this point. Even things like CD/DVD burners and Blu-ray players stop working due to driver issues with Windows 10. In addition the incompatibility issues JAWS has with the new Microsoft Edge browser makes this a no-brainer for me at least. I'm still using Windows 7 and will continue to do so as long as possible. I believe in the saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it." At 06:33 AM 12/6/2015, you wrote: And suppose list members take your advice and rush to upgrade to Windows 10 only to discover that their printers and scanners no longer work because Windows 10 drivers are not available for them. What then? Gerald -Original Message- From: David Moore Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 2:16 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Hi, When I upgraded to win10, I did not lose one file, non of my settings were changed, and everything worked on my computer just like it did before I upgraded. All I got were many many benefits. Please do not listen to all of the negative stuff going around out there. Jim Flusche helped a lot of us learn how to use win10 after many of us installed it. Non of us have had any trouble and the up date went exactly like it was supposed to. Go win10, upgrade, and enjoy a great reward. -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 2:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re:
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
You are so right with this point. Even things like CD/DVD burners and Blu-ray players stop working due to driver issues with Windows 10. In addition the incompatibility issues JAWS has with the new Microsoft Edge browser makes this a no-brainer for me at least. I'm still using Windows 7 and will continue to do so as long as possible. I believe in the saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it." At 06:33 AM 12/6/2015, you wrote: And suppose list members take your advice and rush to upgrade to Windows 10 only to discover that their printers and scanners no longer work because Windows 10 drivers are not available for them. What then? Gerald -Original Message- From: David Moore Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 2:16 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Hi, When I upgraded to win10, I did not lose one file, non of my settings were changed, and everything worked on my computer just like it did before I upgraded. All I got were many many benefits. Please do not listen to all of the negative stuff going around out there. Jim Flusche helped a lot of us learn how to use win10 after many of us installed it. Non of us have had any trouble and the up date went exactly like it was supposed to. Go win10, upgrade, and enjoy a great reward. -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 2:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: block quote Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." Gerald -Original Message- From: anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: block quote Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." Gerald -Original Message- From: anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess. could some one on
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Hi, When I upgraded to win10, I did not lose one file, non of my settings were changed, and everything worked on my computer just like it did before I upgraded. All I got were many many benefits. Please do not listen to all of the negative stuff going around out there. Jim Flusche helped a lot of us learn how to use win10 after many of us installed it. Non of us have had any trouble and the up date went exactly like it was supposed to. Go win10, upgrade, and enjoy a great reward. -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 2:08 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update So all my files, and programs will not be deleted or ereased? On 12/6/2015 12:26 AM, Dialup@56k wrote: Yes, the 'strong' rumour is that the update to Win 10 will happen automatically, IF you have Windows updates set to auto. No, the update is painless. In fact, I upgraded a very sick Win 7 PC last week which had multiple software driver issues. It is not running smoothly on Win 10. 'Caveat Emptor', roughly translates from the Latin as 'Let the buyer Beware'. Glen *** On Sun-06-Dec-15 3:13 pm, Singing Sparrow wrote: Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: block quote Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re:
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Let me get this straight, Microsoft is going to automattically update people to windows 10 who have windows 7, 8, or 8.1 even if they have not reserved a copy of windows 10 is this correct? If so are your files deleted when this update/upgrade is complete or are all your files/programs still on the computer intact? On 12/4/2015 8:28 PM, Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist) wrote: Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: block quote Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." Gerald -Original Message- From: anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess. could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall it? before I run into the same problem. thanks in advance Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." Gerald -Original Message- From: anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess. could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall it? before I run into the same problem. thanks in advance Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to navigate. You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users have already upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more rewarding when you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one. -Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of Windows Update Thanks for the heads up on this. I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just now, not if I can help it. Bob -Original Message- From: Don & Cher Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10 without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and "download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10. However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install' message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night Cher For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." Gerald -Original Message- From: anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess. could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall it? before I run into the same problem. thanks in advance Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to navigate. You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users have already upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more rewarding when you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one. -Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of Windows Update Thanks for the heads up on this. I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just now, not if I can help it. Bob -Original Message- From: Don & Cher Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10 without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and "download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10. However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install' message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night Cher For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." Gerald -Original Message- From: anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess. could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall it? before I run into the same problem. thanks in advance Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to navigate. You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users have already upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more rewarding when you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one. -Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of Windows Update Thanks for the heads up on this. I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just now, not if I can help it. Bob -Original Message- From: Don & Cher Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10 without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and "download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10. However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install' message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night Cher For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: block quote Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." Gerald -Original Message- From: anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess. could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall it? before I run into the same problem. thanks in advance Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to navigate. You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users have already upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more rewarding when you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one. -Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of Windows Update Thanks for the heads up on this. I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just now, not if I can help it. Bob -Original Message- From: Don & Cher Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10 without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and "download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or that the major updates to Win10
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Hi. You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343. Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates before restart. When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install. Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu button to get acces to the "Hide update". When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able to install automatically. I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see. Merry Christmas to all! Hans Pauli -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Mario Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to return windows updates to automatic. On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote: sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: block quote Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." Gerald -Original Message- From: anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess. could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall it? before I run into the same problem. thanks in advance Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to navigate. You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users have already upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more rewarding when you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have
[JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Yes Gerald I remember you saying that to uninstall KB3,335,583 and I did but I left the automatic updates on so my question is now , will windows update still be able to install with KB3,335,582 missing? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: block quote Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." Gerald -Original Message- From: anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess. could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall it? before I run into the same problem. thanks in advance Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to navigate. You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users have already upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more rewarding when you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one. -Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of Windows Update Thanks for the heads up on this. I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just now, not if I can help it. Bob -Original Message- From: Don & Cher Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10 without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and "download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10. However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install' message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night Cher For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
sorry Gerald I meant Mario, Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left automatic updates on. so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able to install without me knowing or my permission ? Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated. On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote: block quote Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended. I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install. If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc. There is a link to more information. The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of detail. This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important update..I did not scrutinize the important updates. And so I warily proceed. On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote: block quote Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or shouldm't download. this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that was mentioned below to appear? Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them." Also, uncheck the box labeled "get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates." Gerald -Original Message- From: anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess. could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall it? before I run into the same problem. thanks in advance Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to navigate. You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users have already upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more rewarding when you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one. -Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of Windows Update Thanks for the heads up on this. I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just now, not if I can help it. Bob -Original Message- From: Don & Cher Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10 without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and "download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10. However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install' message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night Cher For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update
Thanks Donny I think I know which one it is but I am not quite sure. since I am using windows 8.1 I think it is 3,112,336 but I can not be quite sure because it has not put a message in my system tray like yours did. as of yet. but I have a feeling that it will not do anything because I got rid of the update that started this whole mess in the first place which was KB3,035,583 I will keep an eye on it anyway Thanks again Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] if you're not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update Anna- this one came down this week on either Dec. 1 or 2. Cher -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [ mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of anna vimini Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:22 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [Bulk] [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess. could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall it? before I run into the same problem. thanks in advance Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to navigate. You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users have already upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more rewarding when you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one. -Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of Windows Update Thanks for the heads up on this. I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just now, not if I can help it. Bob -Original Message- From: Don & Cher Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10 without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and "download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10. However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install' message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night Cher For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
