RE: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main
Thanks Scott, Jason, making the embeddable Main is important. marcf |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott |M Stark |Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:47 PM |To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main | | | |- No explicit references to File or fileystems in the core |- Dependency on a filesystem would have to be a dependency |on a filesystem service with a more abstract API, for example, |JNDI |- Log4j intialization needs to be able to integrate with existing |log4j usage |- The embedded main needs to accept a parent class loader |to which it delegates to |- The current references to JMS need to be removed from the |interceptors as this can be handled by log4j and we need |to minimize the API requirements in low devices. |- The base deployment information should not depend |the standard XML descriptors directly. An object model |needs to exist that would allow one to deploy components |without having to go through a J2EE package. For example, |it should be possible to take an existing service and expose |it as an EJB without creating an ejb-jar. | | |Scott Stark |Chief Technology Officer |JBoss Group, LLC | |- Original Message - |From: Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] |To: marc fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:57 PM |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main | | | Can anyone find this information? | | --jason | | | On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 18:05, marc fleury wrote: | I remember scott stark putting out a list of todos to make the |embedable | main real, like no reliance on filesystem necessarily, passing streams |to | deploy etc etc | | what would be the requirements to make JBoss totally embeddable in | applications | marcf | | | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main
Holger Baxmann, Peter Fagerlund... IBoss, ropot, of the world unite@! marcf |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of |Holger Baxmann |Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:23 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main | | | On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 18:05, marc fleury wrote: | I remember scott stark putting out a list of todos to make the |embedable | main real, like no reliance on filesystem necessarily, passing |streams to | deploy etc etc | | what would be the requirements to make JBoss totally embeddable in | applications | |and then we get what we are not know waiting for: lookup of the jdni |context in the jndi context. | |great! |i'll donate 50kbyte of my Java iButton | |bax |-- |throw away your harddisks - the JBoss.net is the storage |We are the staff! We have JBoss. Get things doing. | | marcf | | | | ___ | Jboss-development mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | | | | ___ | Jboss-development mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | | | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main
This is a for a 3.0 right? I think that for 3.1(3.2) I can have this shaved down to a very small footprint and highly embedable... but not by 3.0. --jason marc fleury wrote: Thanks Scott, Jason, making the embeddable Main is important. marcf |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott |M Stark |Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:47 PM |To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main | | | |- No explicit references to File or fileystems in the core |- Dependency on a filesystem would have to be a dependency |on a filesystem service with a more abstract API, for example, |JNDI |- Log4j intialization needs to be able to integrate with existing |log4j usage |- The embedded main needs to accept a parent class loader |to which it delegates to |- The current references to JMS need to be removed from the |interceptors as this can be handled by log4j and we need |to minimize the API requirements in low devices. |- The base deployment information should not depend |the standard XML descriptors directly. An object model |needs to exist that would allow one to deploy components |without having to go through a J2EE package. For example, |it should be possible to take an existing service and expose |it as an EJB without creating an ejb-jar. | | |Scott Stark |Chief Technology Officer |JBoss Group, LLC | |- Original Message - |From: Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] |To: marc fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:57 PM |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main | | | Can anyone find this information? | | --jason | | | On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 18:05, marc fleury wrote: | I remember scott stark putting out a list of todos to make the |embedable | main real, like no reliance on filesystem necessarily, passing streams |to | deploy etc etc | | what would be the requirements to make JBoss totally embeddable in | applications | marcf | | | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main
3.0 DR1 needs to get out the door, marcf |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason |Dillon |Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:41 PM |To: marc fleury |Cc: Scott M Stark; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main | | |This is a for a 3.0 right? I think that for 3.1(3.2) I can have this |shaved down to a very small footprint and highly embedable... but not by |3.0. | |--jason | | |marc fleury wrote: | |Thanks Scott, | |Jason, making the embeddable Main is important. | |marcf | ||-Original Message- ||From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott ||M Stark ||Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:47 PM ||To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net ||Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main || || || ||- No explicit references to File or fileystems in the core ||- Dependency on a filesystem would have to be a dependency ||on a filesystem service with a more abstract API, for example, ||JNDI ||- Log4j intialization needs to be able to integrate with existing ||log4j usage ||- The embedded main needs to accept a parent class loader ||to which it delegates to ||- The current references to JMS need to be removed from the ||interceptors as this can be handled by log4j and we need ||to minimize the API requirements in low devices. ||- The base deployment information should not depend ||the standard XML descriptors directly. An object model ||needs to exist that would allow one to deploy components ||without having to go through a J2EE package. For example, ||it should be possible to take an existing service and expose ||it as an EJB without creating an ejb-jar. || || ||Scott Stark ||Chief Technology Officer ||JBoss Group, LLC || ||- Original Message - ||From: Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||To: marc fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net ||[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:57 PM ||Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main || || || Can anyone find this information? || || --jason || || || On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 18:05, marc fleury wrote: || I remember scott stark putting out a list of todos to make the ||embedable || main real, like no reliance on filesystem necessarily, |passing streams ||to || deploy etc etc || || what would be the requirements to make JBoss totally embeddable in || applications || marcf || || || ||___ ||Jboss-development mailing list ||[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | | | | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main
This answer could be taken in more than one way. Could you please be more specific? --jason marc fleury wrote: 3.0 DR1 needs to get out the door, marcf |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason |Dillon |Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:41 PM |To: marc fleury |Cc: Scott M Stark; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main | | |This is a for a 3.0 right? I think that for 3.1(3.2) I can have this |shaved down to a very small footprint and highly embedable... but not by |3.0. | |--jason | | |marc fleury wrote: | |Thanks Scott, | |Jason, making the embeddable Main is important. | |marcf | ||-Original Message- ||From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott ||M Stark ||Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:47 PM ||To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net ||Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main || || || ||- No explicit references to File or fileystems in the core ||- Dependency on a filesystem would have to be a dependency ||on a filesystem service with a more abstract API, for example, ||JNDI ||- Log4j intialization needs to be able to integrate with existing ||log4j usage ||- The embedded main needs to accept a parent class loader ||to which it delegates to ||- The current references to JMS need to be removed from the ||interceptors as this can be handled by log4j and we need ||to minimize the API requirements in low devices. ||- The base deployment information should not depend ||the standard XML descriptors directly. An object model ||needs to exist that would allow one to deploy components ||without having to go through a J2EE package. For example, ||it should be possible to take an existing service and expose ||it as an EJB without creating an ejb-jar. || || ||Scott Stark ||Chief Technology Officer ||JBoss Group, LLC || ||- Original Message - ||From: Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||To: marc fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net ||[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:57 PM ||Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main || || || Can anyone find this information? || || --jason || || || On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 18:05, marc fleury wrote: || I remember scott stark putting out a list of todos to make the ||embedable || main real, like no reliance on filesystem necessarily, |passing streams ||to || deploy etc etc || || what would be the requirements to make JBoss totally embeddable in || applications || marcf || || || ||___ ||Jboss-development mailing list ||[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | | | | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main
Can anyone find this information? --jason On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 18:05, marc fleury wrote: I remember scott stark putting out a list of todos to make the embedable main real, like no reliance on filesystem necessarily, passing streams to deploy etc etc what would be the requirements to make JBoss totally embeddable in applications marcf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main
- No explicit references to File or fileystems in the core - Dependency on a filesystem would have to be a dependency on a filesystem service with a more abstract API, for example, JNDI - Log4j intialization needs to be able to integrate with existing log4j usage - The embedded main needs to accept a parent class loader to which it delegates to - The current references to JMS need to be removed from the interceptors as this can be handled by log4j and we need to minimize the API requirements in low devices. - The base deployment information should not depend the standard XML descriptors directly. An object model needs to exist that would allow one to deploy components without having to go through a J2EE package. For example, it should be possible to take an existing service and expose it as an EJB without creating an ejb-jar. Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC - Original Message - From: Jason Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marc fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main Can anyone find this information? --jason On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 18:05, marc fleury wrote: I remember scott stark putting out a list of todos to make the embedable main real, like no reliance on filesystem necessarily, passing streams to deploy etc etc what would be the requirements to make JBoss totally embeddable in applications marcf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main
On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 18:05, marc fleury wrote: I remember scott stark putting out a list of todos to make the embedable main real, like no reliance on filesystem necessarily, passing streams to deploy etc etc what would be the requirements to make JBoss totally embeddable in applications and then we get what we are not know waiting for: lookup of the jdni context in the jndi context. great! i'll donate 50kbyte of my Java iButton bax -- throw away your harddisks - the JBoss.net is the storage We are the staff! We have JBoss. Get things doing. marcf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main
Marc, I've been looking at what it would take to embed jboss. This has been from the perspective of trying to embed it into and IDE for development, but I don't think that matters, there are many similar issues. A couple of things jump right out. 1. Logging. Does logging make sense in an embedded application? Where do you log? This will be interest on a handheld! The issue with no logging is that everything seems to rely on it being there. What are your thoughts? 2. The ClassPathExtension class. The extensions are relative to the jar that the class is in. This is jboss.jar in lib/ext. I'm not sure if this is the best approach. It of course works fine in the space of jboss as the server and controlling agent, but for an embedded applications I don't think it would. You at least want to provide a way to specify an absolute path. Ken - Original Message - From: marc fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: [JBoss-dev] embeddable Main I remember scott stark putting out a list of todos to make the embedable main real, like no reliance on filesystem necessarily, passing streams to deploy etc etc what would be the requirements to make JBoss totally embeddable in applications marcf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
[JBoss-dev] embeddable Main
I remember scott stark putting out a list of todos to make the embedable main real, like no reliance on filesystem necessarily, passing streams to deploy etc etc what would be the requirements to make JBoss totally embeddable in applications marcf ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
