Re: [JBoss-dev] WL Deployer, II

2002-05-15 Thread Scott M Stark

This is not going to work as many users already have stated they
create deployment units that contain all app server DDs and even
proprietary descriptors for their own use.


Scott Stark
Chief Technology Officer
JBoss Group, LLC

- Original Message -
From: Andreas Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:13 PM
Subject: [JBoss-dev] WL Deployer, II


 Hi Geeks

 Based on an email of Dain I think the easiest
 way to start is to use the Deployer's accept()
 method and add additional test in the current
 deployers there that only JBoss compliant
 are deployed.
 Now the Foe-Deployer can check it if not
 compliant and then try to convert it to a
 JBoss compliant deployment which is then
 resent to the Main Deployer for another try.

 This wouldn't require a new Main Deployer
 or add any dependencies into the existing
 deployers.

 Any objects to add this tests to the existing
 deployers ?
 Most likely I will test for JAR if jboss.xml
 is available, in WAR that either jboss-web.xml
 is available or no other DD is there except
 web.xml, for EARs I don't know.

 x
 Andreas Schaefer
 Senior Consultant
 JBoss Group, LLC
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Re: [JBoss-dev] WL Deployer, II

2002-05-15 Thread Andreas Schaefer

Hi Scott

 This is not going to work as many users already have stated they
 create deployment units that contain all app server DDs and even
 proprietary descriptors for their own use.

I don't think it would cause problems because I don't check if there
are foe DDs but if the archives misses necessary JBoss specific
DDs. That is how I think the test would work:

JAR archvies:
- check if jboss.xml is there if not then it is treated as foe

WAR archives:
- check if jboss-web.xml is there
- if not then check if another foe deployment descriptor is available
  (I know this is weak and we have to go over it if this and check if
   for the supported foes this is true or if they can contain data
which
   would not required a jboss-web.xml file). If FOUND then treat is
   as foe

EAR archives: I don't know if there are vendor specific DDs but I guess
we don't need currently to make a mapping because we don't have a
JBoss specific DD for EARs.

Andy



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Re: [JBoss-dev] WL Deployer, II

2002-05-15 Thread Scott M Stark

I'm saying that users are including jboss.xml, weblogic.xml,
sun-j2ee-ri.xml, ...
DDs in the deployment build because they want a one deployment unit works
with all servers package.

  This is not going to work as many users already have stated they
  create deployment units that contain all app server DDs and even
  proprietary descriptors for their own use.

 I don't think it would cause problems because I don't check if there
 are foe DDs but if the archives misses necessary JBoss specific
 DDs. That is how I think the test would work:

 JAR archvies:
 - check if jboss.xml is there if not then it is treated as foe

This condition is true for many of our current ejb jars in the testsuite.

 WAR archives:
 - check if jboss-web.xml is there
 - if not then check if another foe deployment descriptor is
available
   (I know this is weak and we have to go over it if this and check if
for the supported foes this is true or if they can contain data
 which
would not required a jboss-web.xml file). If FOUND then treat is
as foe

A jboss-web.xml descriptor is required even less frequently.

 EAR archives: I don't know if there are vendor specific DDs but I guess
 we don't need currently to make a mapping because we don't have a
 JBoss specific DD for EARs.


Supporting third party deployment packages is to me a pure filtering service
that should not affect our core deployment processing. Its a big enough
mess in there as it is without this added in.



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Re: [JBoss-dev] WL Deployer, II

2002-05-15 Thread Peter Fagerlund

on 16-05-2 01.18, Scott M Stark at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 because they want a one deployment unit works
 with all servers package.


What can We be part of Invent here ?


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Re: [JBoss-dev] WL Deployer, II

2002-05-15 Thread Andreas Schaefer

Hi Scott

For the sake of stability and easier to use the accept() is not
a good choice.

So I guess the only thing we can do is really to create a second
Main Deployer providing another domain of deployment.
Now I can add a Scanner on a different directory (like the Farm)
and use the Foe-Deployer directly.

Isn't there a way in the current MainDeployer to create different
domains of deployment where each domain has its own scanner(s)
and deployers ?

Or would it work to ask the user to rename the files:
myStupidWLApplication.jar - myStypidWLApplication.wl.jar ?

Andy

 I'm saying that users are including jboss.xml, weblogic.xml,
 sun-j2ee-ri.xml, ...
 DDs in the deployment build because they want a one deployment unit works
 with all servers package.

   This is not going to work as many users already have stated they
   create deployment units that contain all app server DDs and even
   proprietary descriptors for their own use.
 
  I don't think it would cause problems because I don't check if there
  are foe DDs but if the archives misses necessary JBoss specific
  DDs. That is how I think the test would work:
 
  JAR archvies:
  - check if jboss.xml is there if not then it is treated as foe
 
 This condition is true for many of our current ejb jars in the testsuite.

  WAR archives:
  - check if jboss-web.xml is there
  - if not then check if another foe deployment descriptor is
 available
(I know this is weak and we have to go over it if this and check
if
 for the supported foes this is true or if they can contain data
  which
 would not required a jboss-web.xml file). If FOUND then treat
is
 as foe
 
 A jboss-web.xml descriptor is required even less frequently.

  EAR archives: I don't know if there are vendor specific DDs but I guess
  we don't need currently to make a mapping because we don't have a
  JBoss specific DD for EARs.
 

 Supporting third party deployment packages is to me a pure filtering
service
 that should not affect our core deployment processing. Its a big enough
 mess in there as it is without this added in.



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Re: [JBoss-dev] WL Deployer, II

2002-05-15 Thread Scott M Stark

If we don't currently support deployment domains with different
policies we need to as converting third partly packages is only
one use case.


Scott Stark
Chief Technology Officer
JBoss Group, LLC

- Original Message -
From: Andreas Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Scott M Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] WL Deployer, II


 Hi Scott

 For the sake of stability and easier to use the accept() is not
 a good choice.

 So I guess the only thing we can do is really to create a second
 Main Deployer providing another domain of deployment.
 Now I can add a Scanner on a different directory (like the Farm)
 and use the Foe-Deployer directly.

 Isn't there a way in the current MainDeployer to create different
 domains of deployment where each domain has its own scanner(s)
 and deployers ?

 Or would it work to ask the user to rename the files:
 myStupidWLApplication.jar - myStypidWLApplication.wl.jar ?

 Andy




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Re: [JBoss-dev] WL Deployer, II

2002-05-15 Thread David Jencks

1. Multiple domains could be set up pretty easily if we reversed the
dependency between MainDeployer and SubDeployers.  Subdeployers would be
standalone, MainDeployer would have a depends-list of all the subdeployers
it used.  At least one complete deployer would have to be in the
non-auto-deployed startup jboss-service.xml.

2. This idea of foe-deployer (I love the name) is really similar to my idea
of xslt based deployment, where deployment consists of transforming all the
dd's to mbean configuration, then deploying the mbeans.  I've been hoping
to get back to this for a couple months. 

Thanks
david jencks

On 2002.05.15 20:55:44 -0400 Scott M Stark wrote:
 If we don't currently support deployment domains with different
 policies we need to as converting third partly packages is only
 one use case.
 
 
 Scott Stark
 Chief Technology Officer
 JBoss Group, LLC
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Andreas Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Scott M Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED];
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] WL Deployer, II
 
 
  Hi Scott
 
  For the sake of stability and easier to use the accept() is not
  a good choice.
 
  So I guess the only thing we can do is really to create a second
  Main Deployer providing another domain of deployment.
  Now I can add a Scanner on a different directory (like the Farm)
  and use the Foe-Deployer directly.
 
  Isn't there a way in the current MainDeployer to create different
  domains of deployment where each domain has its own scanner(s)
  and deployers ?
 
  Or would it work to ask the user to rename the files:
  myStupidWLApplication.jar - myStypidWLApplication.wl.jar ?
 
  Andy
 
 
 
 
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