[jboss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: Errors while running WSRP behind firewall in 2.6.3
Could to hear from both your experiences and always nice to hear that you both seem quite happy with JBoss Portal. :) View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4131103#4131103 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=4131103 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: Errors while running WSRP behind firewall in 2.6.3
Playing devil's advocate here because I think the debate is important! Yeah, installation of WebSphere Portal is complicated...the 11 disk thing bums be out. I think that is the biggest complaint from IBM users (mine too). JBoss Portal was s easy to get going, that was very refreshing! I don't find the support mechanism very cumbersome, in fact their patch delivery mechanism is very slick. I like the idea of patching my installation vs replacing the install. My biggest complaint is finding the patch I need or even knowing when a patch has been released. I guess that could be a separate discussion. The EJB3 feature is delivered via their "Feature Pack" mechanism. If you have used WebSphere in the past, one of the huge complaints was that they were forever lagging in keeping up with the Java standards. This new feature pack idea is how they plan on keeping their server line current, without having to move to a new version of the product. Which is very appealing to the people that have dozens (or hundreds) of instances running. I don't see this as a negative, but as an improvement on one of their previous shortcomings. Only time will tell if addresses the issue at hand. I'm not sure about bloated and slow, I guess we'd need to see some data on that. WebSphere does have a larger footprint, but that alone does not mean bloated or slow. Where is your area, because I'd love to get $200/hr! My last two projects have been as consultants...one for WebSphere Portal, one for JBoss Portal. My final rate to the client has been the same for both projects. I know if you go to IBM directly they charge a premium. Yes they have a huge consulting arm and you don't always get what you pay for. I guess the message is to stay away from their consulting arm, there are plenty of other people to get consulting services from other than IBM. As far as the codebase for IBM Portal, their first version (many years ago) was Jetspeed with IBM stuff on top. That was long before JSR 168 (which they were the lead on the spec)...since then it has grown/changed dramatically. Nobody in the industry is free from this practice, ask JBoss about their ESB. My experience with JBoss Portal has been very positive, as has my experience with WebSphere Portal. There are positives and negatives to each...I will say this, in the open-source portal space, JBoss Portal seems to be the best. I have tried (not delivered applications) Liferay and JetSpeed2. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4130473#4130473 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=4130473 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: Errors while running WSRP behind firewall in 2.6.3
Hey Swisst, The costs I speak of are not only the licensing ones, but also the installation and support costs, which include "time to install." For evaluation purposes, I did an install on a copy we have at the office here. To install WebSphere Portal 6.0, I had to use a set of 11 CDs, then I had to download a "fix pack" which was about 500mb. I thought I was done, and it would work for my purposes, but wrong I was, and I had to install another fix pack in order to get EJB 3 going. Not only this, but the whole WebSphere package is bloated and slow; it requires far more hardware infrastructure than JBoss as well. With JBoss Portal, I had the whole package downloaded and installed in 20 minutes. Although I wasn't familiar with it, or with portal programming in general, I was able to configure it to work with our database very easily. Another issue that should be considered is the cost of support. I have seen consultants with experience in WebSphere paid almost $200/hr in my area. This quickly escalates into the tens of thousands I spoke of. Going to IBM for help is not going to be cheap either; one of our consultants noted that IBM routinely bills $700/hr for consultants, then hires someone for 50-60 hr to get the job done, pocketing the difference. I like JBoss Portal because it is light-weight, simple and open-source. In contrast, IBM's WebSphere Portal requires far more hardware, has proprietary source code, and takes much longer to install and configure. IBM "built" their portal mostly from acquisitions, so basically it is a hodge podge of different pieces from various acquisitions. Thats not really very innovative imo. I don't like the way they fool companies into forking over millions of dollars for their products, and I especially dislike the half-assed work I've seen them do on pieces that were sub-contracted off of contracts I've worked on. Anyhow, thats just my two cents on the matter. "swisst" wrote : Well to be fair in your comparison, you should get your licensing costs for WebSphere Portal straight. This is a good place to start for the low end: | | https://www-112.ibm.com/software/howtobuy/buyingtools/paexpress/Express?P0=E1&part_number=D59VHLL,D59VKLL,D61KFLL&catalogLocale=en_US&locale=en_US&country=USA&PT=html | | Also, to continue a fair comparison, it would be nice to know the JBoss support contract rates. | | Having delivered applications on both platforms, my choice would be WebSphere Portal. I think purchasing a support contract from JBoss would have made a huge difference, unfortunately, the company saw no value. | | I would love to see a side-by-side comparison, sans all of the anecdotes... | View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4130460#4130460 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=4130460 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: Errors while running WSRP behind firewall in 2.6.3
Well to be fair in your comparison, you should get your licensing costs for WebSphere Portal straight. This is a good place to start for the low end: https://www-112.ibm.com/software/howtobuy/buyingtools/paexpress/Express?P0=E1&part_number=D59VHLL,D59VKLL,D61KFLL&catalogLocale=en_US&locale=en_US&country=USA&PT=html Also, to continue a fair comparison, it would be nice to know the JBoss support contract rates. Having delivered applications on both platforms, my choice would be WebSphere Portal. I think purchasing a support contract from JBoss would have made a huge difference, unfortunately, the company saw no value. I would love to see a side-by-side comparison, sans all of the anecdotes... View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4130270#4130270 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=4130270 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: Errors while running WSRP behind firewall in 2.6.3
Hey Chris, Thanks for being there to help look into this issue. I'm doing everything I can to get my company to go with JBoss instead of IBM Web$$$phere for the project we are working on. Hopefully I will be able to show them enough positive results from Jboss to get them to think twice before forking out tens of thousands on an portal server. Incidentally, if anyone has any good talking points that I could use, I would most definitely bring those up during our discussions. Its good to know that you guys are here and are helpful and responsive to the people who are putting your software to use. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4130227#4130227 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=4130227 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: Errors while running WSRP behind firewall in 2.6.3
Great to hear that you solved your issue. I was going to look into it today (been busy with our new portlet container release). View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4129705#4129705 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=4129705 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
[jboss-user] [JBoss Portal] - Re: Errors while running WSRP behind firewall in 2.6.3
Ah, looks like, upon further investigation, that this problem has already been encountered. http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBPORTAL-1838 Perhaps I should build from source and retry... View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4129673#4129673 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=4129673 ___ jboss-user mailing list jboss-user@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-user
