[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL-Designer

2008-04-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LOL

Yes, I saw that advice...

But AFAIK there are definitely possibilities. You can use a concept called 
capabilities in Eclipse that can be used to remove functionality. But I don't 
know enough of it to give you decent pointers. If you find anything and care to 
share, be our guest.

Regards,
Koen

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL-Designer

2008-04-11 Thread wootenator
I would like to help if I can. I'm trying to understand the scope of effort. I 
posted some questions on the eclipse.platform.rcp forum. My question was 
regarding how to get started in an effort to remove functionality and menus 
from eclipse. Was hoping that might be easier than creating a new plugin. I 
received the following advice:

"I've never seen anyone get a lot of help with un-contributing contributions 
through non-API approaches and that's where you're headed.   Having been there 
with things other than the jBPM Designer I would tell you:

Run away.  It is a suicide mission.  The jBPM Designer contributes to the 
Eclipse SDK and uses EMF, GEF, DTP, and WTP.   Odds are that the 'eclipse 
functionality' you want to remove is defined in Eclipse's own internal Java 
code. The side effects of changing those types of things have side effects.  
Even if what you want to remove is contributed declaratively in plugin.xml or 
manifest files you're asking for trouble with the rest of the component stack.  
  Eclipse 3.4 is due in June.  A new jBPM Designer will probably not be too far 
behind and you'll be back at square one."

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL-Designer

2008-04-09 Thread kukeltje
that has been the idea from the beginning care to help out?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL-Designer

2008-04-08 Thread wootenator
Another project that might be interesting would be to make a version of the 
eclipse IDE that is exclusively targeted towards the jpdl-designer tool.

In other words to strip off all other eclipse menus and perspectives except for 
the frames solely focused on jpdl designer functionality. 

I'm thinking of a user that may not be a java developer and how to customize 
the jpdl designer for that user.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jpdl designer-form controller

2008-04-08 Thread kukeltje
It's 'simple'... jBPM 3.1 has automagically generated forms which do not take 
data types into account at all and have very limited customizability. So build 
your own ui framework... or... switch to jBMP 3.2 that allows you to customize 
forms a little more.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL-Designer

2008-04-07 Thread Pebbels
Hi there,

no, I like to use Eclipse. I was just looking for an alternative IDE to compare 
them.

Regards, Tina

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL-Designer

2008-04-02 Thread estaub
Tina,
Why are you looking for alternatives?
Do you just not like Eclipse in general, or is there something specific about 
the JPDL designer, or...
Thanks,
-Ed Staub

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL-Designer

2008-04-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey Tina,

Interested in writing and contributing a Netbeans or IDEA plugin for jPDL? ;-)
Seriously, we simply don't have the resources to spread our efforts over 
multibple platforms. But if anyone of the community would do such an effort, we 
would be happy to endorse and support it.

Regards,
Koen


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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL-Designer

2008-03-26 Thread Pebbels
Thanks for your answer!

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL-Designer

2008-03-26 Thread kukeltje
No, sorry

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-18 Thread Bish
Excellent. Thanks for your patience guys, we got there in the end.

I think this thread will be helpful to others like me who come in with no 
previous knowledge of the product and don't know that the docs are out of date, 
so it certainly hasn't been wasted time.

Cheers,
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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-18 Thread dleerob
@bhuber, im sure you found your answer from Koen on another thread. For those 
of you interested in why the docs are different to the latest GPD, read Koen's 
answer posted on this thread: 
http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&t=121480

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-18 Thread bhuber
hmm ok to add an action like in the getting started i have to 

- left click the "evaluaton web order"
- go to the properties view of my Outline
- choose Events
- add an event (icon on the right side of the outline window)
- select Event type "node-enter" 
- add a new action (icon on the right side)
- etc

and then i have the same like in the getting started doc ? 
 

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-18 Thread dleerob
The GPD 3.1 interface has changed slightly since it's previous version, so yes, 
it will look quite a bit different. The Getting Starting Guide was created with 
a previous version of the GPD.

Try opening the jBPM JPDL Perspective. All your options are now in the Outline 
view, and the Properties view. Make sure those are open.
And yes, the Swimlane tab doesn't exist, it's now in the Outline view.

Sounds like your designer is working fine...

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-17 Thread Bish
Ok - opening gpd.xml instead of processdefinition.xml will teach me not to 
trust documentation. I ought to know better at my age. I was right about that 
cast though!

More seriously, it still doesn't (appear) to work for me, though perhaps my 
expectations are wrong. I can open processdefinition.xml ok, but when I right 
click on the node (as per the getting started doc) I don't see a context menu 
that includes "Add task" or "Add action", nor do I have a "Swimlanes" tab as 
shown in fig 22 of http://wiki.jboss.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=JbpmGettingStarted. 

Should I see those things, or is the document incorrect?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am running a jBPM training at the moment where 11 guys are using a plain 
Eclipse 3.3 installed over the jBPM-jPDL suite version 3.2.2 (including the 
designer version 3.1.0 SP1). No one has had any problems whatsoever...
Can you guys doublecheck once again? Remember that you shouldn't try to open 
gpd.xml with the designer but rather processdefinition.xml.

Regards,
Koen

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-17 Thread dleerob
I did notice in your JIRA issue that you are using Java 1.6.0_02. Not sure if 
that would have anything to do with it, seeing that you found the code that 
seems to cause the problem.

But anyway, incase you want to try it, I'm using Java 1.5.0_06 with my Eclipse.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-17 Thread Bish
http://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/GPD-178 raised.


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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-17 Thread Bish
Quick thought (that I don't have time to check at the moment, but will this 
evening, if no-one else has done it by then): maybe the xml in the example is 
different. 
I was trying to open the websales example that comes with the suite. Is that 
example also in the designer-only download, and is it the same as the version 
in the suite download?

Cheers,
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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-17 Thread bhuber
anonymous wrote : Anyway here is the list of files I downloaded, in order to 
get it to work: 
  | 
  | From JBoss: 
  | - jbpm-jpdl-designer-3.1.0.sp1.zip (7,927 KB) 
  | 
  | From Eclipse: 
  | - eclipse-SDK-3.3-win32.zip (144,176KB) 
  | - dtp_1.5_20070704.zip (8,680KB) 
  | - emf-sdo-xsd-SDK-2.3.1.zip (26,042KB) 
  | - GEF-SDK-3.3.1.zip (6,311KB) 
  | - wtp-R-2.0-200706260303.zip (37,715KB)

i use all the files in your list, installed a new eclipse and with both i got 
the same problem
doesnt matter if i take designer from suite or designer from zip file

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-16 Thread dleerob
Anyway here is the list of files I downloaded, in order to get it to work:

>From JBoss:
- jbpm-jpdl-designer-3.1.0.sp1.zip (7,927 KB)

>From Eclipse:
- eclipse-SDK-3.3-win32.zip (144,176KB)
- dtp_1.5_20070704.zip (8,680KB)
- emf-sdo-xsd-SDK-2.3.1.zip (26,042KB)
- GEF-SDK-3.3.1.zip (6,311KB)
- wtp-R-2.0-200706260303.zip (37,715KB)

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-16 Thread dleerob
Hmmm...weird, mine worked fine. Did you guys download the suite, and therefore 
using the GPD from that download?

I only downloaded the GPD (jbpm-jpdl-designer-3.1.0.sp1.zip), and not the 
suite, and that one works for me.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-16 Thread Bish
Yep - definitely a bug. I've checked out the code now to confirm it. The code 
is casting to GenericElement via the SemanticElement interface, but our friend 
ProcessDefinition can't be cast that way as it doesn't extend  GenericElement. 
I've updated Play to show how it's blowing up. (This reflects the code pattern 
used in GenericElementXmlAdapter).

import org.jbpm.gd.common.model.GenericElement;
  | import org.jbpm.gd.common.model.SemanticElement;
  | import org.jbpm.gd.jpdl.model.ProcessDefinition;
  | 
  | 
  | public class Play {
  | 
  | public static void main(String[] args) {
  | 
  | ProcessDefinition pd = new ProcessDefinition();
  | //GenericElement ge = (GenericElement)pd;
  | 
  | 
  | SemanticElement se = (SemanticElement)pd;
  | GenericElement ge = (GenericElement)se;
  | }
  | }
  | 

This compiles happily and gives a runtime error...

anonymous wrote : Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassCastException: 
org.jbpm.gd.jpdl.model.ProcessDefinition cannot be cast to 
org.jbpm.gd.common.model.GenericElement
  | at Play.main(Play.java:15)
  | 

Case proved I think! Now, how do I raise a bug report?!

(I'm still not clear how some of you guys did get it working. Maybe you're 
using a different version of the designer plugin in eclipse, or maybe this has 
only sneaked into the windows version somehow)?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-16 Thread Bish
Thanks for the responses.

First, I tried getting all of those dependencies. That's a lot of dependencies 
and downloads and must be a block to any non-eclipse-guru end user. Certainly 
put me off. And downloading them didn't fix the problem.

Second, I suspect a bug in the 3.2.2 suite download, and specifically in the 
designer 3.1.0SP1 plugin for Eclipse, as included in the suite 3.2.2 download.

I set up a little project and added the ui.jar file from 
jbpm-jpdl-3.2.2\designer\eclipse\plugins\org.jbpm.gd.jpdl_3.1.0.SP1 to the 
build path then set up the following class:

import org.jbpm.gd.common.model.GenericElement;
  | import org.jbpm.gd.jpdl.model.ProcessDefinition;
  | 
  | 
  | public class Play {
  | 
  | public static void main(String[] args) {
  | 
  | ProcessDefinition pd = new ProcessDefinition();
  | GenericElement ge = (GenericElement)pd;
  | 
  | }
  | }
  | 
  | 

It gives me the following compile error:

anonymous wrote : Cannot cast from ProcessDefinition to GenericElement
  | 
Examining the classes in the ui.jar file, ProcessDefinition doesn't extend 
GenericElement (though they do share a common parent in 
org.jbpm.gd.common.model.AbstractSemanticElement) so unless I've gone soft in 
the head (entirely possible) or am missing some other vital piece of info (also 
entirely possible) I don't see how a cast from ProcessDefinition to 
GenericElement is ever going to work. 

What does everyone else think. Am I going mad here?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-16 Thread bhuber
hmm ... i installed my eclipse SDK now 3 or 4 times and it was always the same 
like topic says

now i take jbpm-jpdl-designer-3.0.13 and it looks fine (in the suite 3.2.2 
there is the jbpm-jpdl-designer-3.1.0.sp1 or ?)

i can open the gpd.xml file without problems 

i cant say if this was the real problem ... or if i do something else that it 
works now ?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-16 Thread kukeltje
all these other downloads are in eclipse europa afaik.

afaik the SDK versions are not needed

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-16 Thread dleerob
Oh and after you have installed a fresh copy of Eclipse with all the plugins I 
mentioned above, don't forget to configure the Jbpm runtime in Eclipse, 
mentioned in the Getting Started Guide I think.

Click: Window--> Preferences --> JBoss Jbpm --> Runtime Locations --> and add 
jbpm 3.2.2

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer 3.1.0SP1 and Eclipse 3.3: ClassCastExcepti

2007-10-16 Thread dleerob
Remember, you cant just download eclipse 3.3, you need all the relevant plugins 
as well, and make sure they are the correct versions. These are mentioned in 
the META-INF\MANIFEST.MF file that comes with the GPD download. I also had 
weird errors until I downloaded all the latest plugins that were mentioned in 
that file.

Here is a list of what you must download (or just look at the file mentioned 
above) from the Eclipse site. At least this is what I did, and it then worked 
perfectly:

Name: Eclipse Drivers
- SDK: 3.3
- EMF: 2.3.0
- GEF: 3.3
- DTP: 1.5
- WTP: 2.0

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer and Map parameters in actions

2007-08-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Mark,

Deleting the configuration is indeed not a very clean behaviour ;-)
The idea is definitely that the GPD should behave as you suggest. Can you 
please file a JIRA issue for this?
Regarding node pluggablility, the only information at this moment is the plugin 
itself. All nodes are currently contributed through an extension point. The 
configuration forms are also contributed through the tabbed properties 
extension point. 
I plan to write up an article that shows how to do this and also to make the 
process a lot easier, but in the meantime you will have to bear with reading 
the code. ;-)
Also, feel free to ask questions about it here on the forum, there are already 
a number of people doing this, and I am sure you will get answers if you post 
particular problems.
At the moment I am developing on Eclipse 3.3, but there are AFAIK no 
incompatibilities with Eclipse 3.2.

Regards,
Koen

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer and Map parameters in actions

2007-08-11 Thread karmen38
Hi Koen,

Thank you for the reply. I understand, it makes sense. 

Maybe the designer could just leave the variable as it is, not delete it at 
all. It can recognize that the variable is not editable by the form and disable 
the editing and not update the variable in XML. Actually, disabling the editing 
is not even that important as not deleting the Map in XML. In this case the one 
can draw the process graphically, define actions and parameters, switch to XML, 
define additional parameters (Maps) not editable in designer, switch back to 
the designer and make some changes again without risk of loosing the complex 
variables. 

Your idea about pluggable nodes is interesting. Where can I read more about it? 
It could be the way to go for my situation. Does the implementation involves 
development of Eclipse plugin or it is some code that plugs to the designer and 
is interpreted by designer? Actually, either way sounds good.

I will need to re-install Eclipse 3.3 with the designed to check. Will the 
designer binary package that is available for download from JBoss / jBPM site 
work with 3.3 or I need to build the designer from CVS? I read a couple of 
postings here about how to setup designer for Eclipse 3.2 and it works 
perfectly. I will try again with 3.3.

Thank you,
Mark

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: jPDL Designer and Map parameters in actions

2007-08-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Mark,

Complex parameters are not supported by the designer and they probably never 
will. 
We have already made nodes pluggable, so that you can provide your own 
configuration form for a custom node, and will probably do this for actions as 
well in the future.
But supporting these complex variables in a generic way is close to impossible 
imo.

Regards,
Koen

Btw. 3.1.0.beta2 was build and tested on Eclipse 3.3.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: JPDL Designer Eclipse plugin freezes on save

2006-10-30 Thread mgommeringer
Here I am again.

Now I got really confused. Looking into the jbpm-gpd-site-3.0.12.zip, I saw 
that the plugins directory already contains the xerces plugin which (as it 
seems) cannot be found...

...I installed the latest eclipse 3.2.1, the latest WebToolsProject plugin and 
the designer plugin 3.0.12. Now simply opening the processdefinition.xml takes 
about 5 minutes and my CPU is getting hot...

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: JPDL Designer Eclipse plugin freezes on save

2006-10-30 Thread mgommeringer
For testing I tried to install the 3.0.12 plugin on a plain, fresh eclipse 3.2 
(only JDT included, no WTP or other stuff). The update manager says that the 
"org.apache.xerces" plugin is required but missing. I'll now search on how to 
fix this the easiest way - probably installing WTP...
I'll report my results later.

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: JPDL Designer Eclipse plugin freezes on save

2006-10-30 Thread kukeltje
Thanks for reporting. I myself noticed short hangups on the cvs branche of the 
GPD, I never moved from 3.0.11 to 3.0.12. 

I think the readme should be updated. afaik, 3.0.12 is only tested against 
eclipse 3.2.  Are there any other plugins installed? If so, is the behaviour 
the same if you just use a plain eclipse install?

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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: JPDL Designer Eclipse plugin freezes on save

2006-10-30 Thread mgommeringer
Thanks for your response.

I closed all other Eclipse-Projects and tried it again: moved one node on the 
process definition (via GUI) and saved it -> same problem. CPU usage of 100%.

In the readme.html file of the jbpm-gpd-site-3.0.12.zip, I found that it is 
only tested with 3.1 version of Eclipse.



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[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: JPDL Designer Eclipse plugin freezes on save

2006-10-30 Thread kukeltje
does the problem persist if you close all other projects? Besides, 3.0.12 IS 
for 3.2, where did you read it is not?

you can also try to disable the older version instead of uninstalling. 

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