[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-25 Thread ggimler
Use the fc-fast protocol; I tested this on my home system, and got about 1600 msgs/sec.
fc-fast uses flow control, so it is very good when having *sustained* load over an 
extended period of time. But I'm sure you could optimize even more if you know the 
type of app (which you do).

Bela

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-25 Thread ggimler
I tried the bare-bones.xml file for jgroups - it doesn't work for sljms.  I get the 
following:

 [java]  WARN 10:18:16,964 [main] (Trace.java:387) - fetching state will fail as state 
transfer is not supported. Add one of the STATE_TRANSFER protocols to your protocol 
specification

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-25 Thread ggimler
anonymous wrote : 
  | Use the fc-fast protocol; I tested this on my home system, and got about 1600 
msgs/sec.
  | fc-fast uses flow control, so it is very good when having *sustained* load over an 
extended period of time. But I'm sure you could optimize even more if you know the 
type of app (which you do). 

That's excellent - I'd be happy to have even half of that.  I used the fc-fast.xml 
protocol stack and while I had good results for sending text messages, sending object 
messages didn't yield encouraging results.  I maxed out at 100 messages/sec and it 
seemed the performance was like TCP - whenever I added another subscriber the 
messages/sec started decreasing.  Maybe there's something else I'm doing wrong?

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-25 Thread ggimler
I just tried a quick test with just text messages with the fc-fast.xml.  
Messages/second decrease with each subscriber.  This seems counter-intuitive to using 
multicast.  It's behaving like TCP.  Am I the only one seeing this?  

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-25 Thread ggimler
bela wrote : [
  | I wasn't aware Ovidiu has added ObjectMsg support yet. Are you using serialization 
or externalization ? You mentioned you have ca 1-2K worth of data/msg ?
  | Bela

I implemented it myself just to get things running locally with my copy.  There may be 
a more optimal way of implementing this but all I did was add a hook with the 
SessionImpl and wrote the ObjectMessageImpl ad hoc so I could send messages of a 
realistic size.

package sljms;

import org.apache.log4j.Logger;
import javax.jms.ObjectMessage;
import javax.jms.JMSException;
import javax.jms.Message;
import java.io.Serializable;

class ObjectMessageImpl extends MessageImpl implements ObjectMessage, Serializable {

private static final Logger log = Logger.getLogger(ObjectMessageImpl.class);

private Serializable _object;

public Serializable getObject() throws JMSException {
return _object;
}

public void setObject(Serializable object) throws JMSException {
_object = object;
}
}


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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-25 Thread ggimler
bela wrote : [
  | 
  | Hmm, it takes a bit of experimenting with this. Ovidiu, do you want to do it ? 
  | 
  | Regarding state transfer: just add STATE_TRANSFER on top of your bare bones stack 
(copy the  tag from, say, fc-fast.xml).
  | 
  | 

If I add that then it complains of another dependency:

ChannelException: JChannel(): java.lang.Exception: Configurator.sanityCheck(): event 
GET_DIGEST_STATE is required by STATE_TRANSFER, but not provided by any of the layers 
below

I have gone through the tedious exercise of removing as many of the protocol layers as 
I could and going through several permutations from the fc-fast.xml.  The problem is, 
sometimes when I remove a protocol layer, things run even slower.  Since I don't fully 
understand the functionality (dependencies) of all these various layers I haven't a 
clue how to make them more optimal.  




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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-25 Thread ggimler
bela wrote : 
  | Use of Serializable will probably be removed from MessageImpl (replaced by 
Externalizable, if possible). Serialization will exert some penalty, but what numbers 
did you get anyway for the pubsub test ? I'm also curious about HW/SW/JDK/NW.
  | 

Here are my numbers:

HW - Dell Precision 1.7 ghz Single Xeon CPU with 1GB Ram
SW - Redhat Linux 9.0
JDK - 1.4.2
NW - 10 mbit but the tests are just on my local machine - will have gigabit within the 
next few weeks with dual 3.0ghz xeon machines if that will make a big impact?

bela wrote : 
  | For smaller messages (e.g. 1-2K), you should get at least 1000 msgs/sec.
  | 

If I got 1000 messages/second I would be extremely happy.  Here are my numbers:

For Text messages using Ovidiu's text message implementation (all of these use the 
fc-fast.xml stack)

1 pub - 1 sub
678 messages/second at 10,000 text messages sent

1 pub - 2 sub
460 messages/second at 10,000 text messages sent

1 pub - 3 sub
345 messages/second at 10,000 text messages sent

For Object messages using my implementation of the ObjectMessage (all of which use the 
fc-fast.xml stack)

These messages are a series of state vectors packed in a java.util.Arraylist (written 
to a file as an ObjectOutputStream each fille Arraylist produced 1.8kb of data)

1 pub - 1 sub
93 messages/second at 10,000 object messages sent

1 pub - 2 sub
87 messages/second at 10,000 object messages sent

1 pub - 3 sub
73 messages/second at 10,000 object messages sent



One thing to note - I wrote my own ant runtimes and I'm not sure if that impacts 
performance?  

I'm nowhere near your numbers so maybe there's something obvious I'm doing wrong here. 
 I could send you my code and ant runtimes if that would help?  

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-25 Thread ggimler
bela wrote : 
  | I see. Maybe hold off a bit more, until Ovidiu has experimented with it some more; 
he does have JGroups knowledge. So how important is the bare-bones stack to you right 
now ? Can you live with fc-fast.xml for now (of course, after you get 1000 msgs/sec) ?
  | 

If I got 1000 msgs/sec that didn't degrade very much, it would more than meet my 
project requirements.


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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-24 Thread ggimler
I implemented the ObjectMessage (simple enough) just so I could run some tests.  Is it 
possible to change the protocol stack for optimization and do the minimal 
configuration to increase performance?  Every time I take out a protol on the stack it 
seems to complain.  The JGroups documentation wasn't detailed enough for me to 
understand how to change around the protocol stack. 

Also, can you explain the difference between the sljms.xml and the fc-fast.xml 
protocol stack files?  How are each of these used?  

Does the consumer or producer create the channel or whoever is started first?  

Thanks.

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-24 Thread ggimler
I guess another way of posing my question would be.  If I didn't care about 
reliability and only about performance, how would I configure these protocol stacks 
with the optimal configuration?  What is the bare bones required?

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-24 Thread ggimler
If describing my data may help with optimizing the protocol stack...

I'm primarily sending radar state information.  Just for a rough estimate, I 
serialized the objects to a file (I know this isn't the most accurate way of getting 
the true size of the objects) but they range from 1.3kb - 2.0kb serialized.

I was pretty happy with the rates I was sending out the text messages (I was able to 
get ~800 messages/second).  Sending these objects I've been getting significantly less 
performance at ~100 messages/second and if I add more subscribers performance seems to 
degrade.  

Perhaps if Bela could elucicate how I may optimize my protocol configuration for this 
type of data distribution?  

Thanks.

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-24 Thread ggimler
I have not bridged between protocol stacks yet.  I was planning on doing so for 
firewall traversal but haven't reached that point yet.  I'd like to get some good 
numbers with the closest thing to pure multicast right now and then move from there.

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-23 Thread ggimler
It appears one can't send objects over the sljms implementation.  Are there plans to 
add this soon?  I only see text messages right now.  Is this something trivial to 
implement?  

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-22 Thread ggimler
Ovidiuf,

  Thank you for the good documentation and the new version of the serverless JMS.  I 
am anxious to work with this new code base this week.  

If I may inquire, I'd like to know if you would be willing to receive code 
contributions?  We can talk about this offline if that's appropriate?  

It seems that you and Bela are the only ones working on this and my development team 
may be interested in helping out and expediting some features.  We already developed 
our own pluggable protocol (Unicast, Multicast, etc...) with a free CORBA 
implementation.  However, J2EE seems to have many features we'd like to exploit and it 
seems like a superior option if we can get some of the JMS features implemented that 
are show stoppers for our project.  

So some of the things we'd like to have is the JNDI linked into JBoss NS (we'd like to 
have the ability to federate name services), getting the persistence and fault 
tolerance, message selectors (a must have for us), and possibly others I'm not 
thinking of right now - I may come across others as I prototype some things this week.

We'd like to get this up to a stable 1.0 release in the near future if that's possible 
and I'd like to talk more about it if you're interested?  

You can reach me via email at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-19 Thread ggimler
Will the new version 0.2 be released today or some time next week?  Perhaps it's 
already been released and I don't know where to look to get it?

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-13 Thread ggimler
Sounds great!  I look forward to trying this out next week.  If you could give me some 
instructions on how/where to get the 0.2 when you release it, I would appreciate it.  
Thanks.  

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-11 Thread ggimler
Is there some date in mind for releasing a non-beta version?  I'm assuming 0.2 still 
means in the beta stage?  Thanks.

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-11 Thread ggimler
So let me ask you this...

Is it currently possible to send that JMS through a firewall?  Can I send it multicast 
and rebroadcast unicast and vice versa or is that impossible in the 0.2?  Would there 
be a significant development effort to do this?

Here's what I'm thinking and perhaps what I could do is this:

Configure a producer to a topic using 1 channel via mulicast.  Have a consumer connect 
and retrieve that data via the same protocol stack configuration.  Have it then 
somehow send data (forward it) to another topic that would create another channel with 
a different protocol stack (unicast or firewall) and send it that way?  Would that at 
least be possible to do?  Can I pass in another jgroups xml file and overwrite the 
protocol stack...I don't have issues using another channel to do this.  I just want to 
make sure it's possible.  



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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-10 Thread ggimler
Thanks for the quick reply.  What can I expect in this new implementation?  Will true 
hardware multicast be available with the JMS?  When can I expect an officially stable 
release? 

Am I currently multicasting with that old version?  Can I get some documentation?  

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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Multicast JMS

2004-03-09 Thread ggimler
In an attempt to create a multicast publish/subscribe topic, I followed the code 
example at http://www.jboss.org/developers/projects/jboss/jms/documentation/pure-p2p

I'm getting really inconsistent results running a simple producer and consumer.  

Sometimes my consumer never receives any messages sent, other times it receives a 
subset but never all of them.  I have sleep statements to make sure I first have my 
consumer listen and then the producer sends the messages at a 1hz rate.  


I'm pretty sure I configured things properly (at least everything that was mentioned 
at the URL).  I know this code has no claims it's bug-free but it's essential I get 
this working.

There were no exceptions seen on the JBoss console window or any error logs.  Is there 
any updated documentation on this feature of JBoss?  I think the article was written 
several months ago and might be dated to the current implementation.


I've attached my own output at the bottom.  Any help on this would be much 
appreciated.  Thank you.   



I'm using JBoss-4.0.0DR2 and my output screen is the following:


 [java] ---
 [java] GMS: address is 155.34.129.129:2389
 [java] ---

 [java] ---
 [java] GMS: address is 155.34.129.129:2391
 [java] ---

 [java] ---
 [java] GMS: address is 155.34.129.129:2393
 [java] ---

 [java] ---
 [java] GMS: address is 155.34.129.129:2395
 [java] ---
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicRecvClient]  waiting for messages.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicSendClient] sent a message.
 [java] [TopicRecvClient] Got a message
 [java] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[JBoss-user] [Messaging, JMS JBossMQ] - Re: Multicast JMS

2004-03-09 Thread ggimler
Nevermind.  Looks like the Synch client was what I wanted.  However, I'm still 
wondering if I'm using multicast or not.  This GMS output with addresses not in the 
multicast range lead me to believe I'm not multicasting.  Is there some way to turn 
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