[JBoss-user] [Advanced Documentation] - Re: pay-on-demand docs
"ahardy66" wrote : | And when it gets that far, what will stop JBoss starting to charge for software too? | There is nothing in the GPL compatible license that has ever prevented anyone from charging for the product (Linux distributors). However, the license gives you a right to redistribute and modify the software free of charge. anonymous wrote : | There are some principles involved here. | Yes, and it is apparent that you're not very familiar with them. anonymous wrote : | It's the beginning of commercialisation | Commericialization and free software are not contradictory forces. Please point your browser to http://www.fsf.org next and educate yourself. http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3826674#3826674";>View the original post http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=3826674>Reply to the post --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Advanced Documentation] - Re: pay-on-demand docs
Hang on a moment! Let me make a point that I am sure has been made a hundred times before: what makes JBoss different from Ant, emacs, Debian, Tomcat, Struts, the list server operator for my favourite mailing list etc etc? I would be down $100 if I had to pay for all the docs. And when it gets that far, what will stop JBoss starting to charge for software too? There are some principles involved here. It's the beginning of commercialisation and it's the effects of commercialisation that the original open-source founders were seeking to avoid. Commercialisation is useful in many areas, but there should be clear dividing lines between it and open-source, otherwise you will lose the benefits that open-source brought. JBoss is starting to push it and has obscured the boundaries. When another open-source J2EE server comes along, then I'm sure it wouldn't take long for it to become the 1st choice for the open-source world. To me, JBoss is becoming too much like RedHat. Business models and 'enterprise' this and that. PS whether I contribute or not (and I do) is actually irrelevant. And if I wanted to contribute financially, say I make alot of money with my current project (dream on!), I can donate at numerous places. http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3826670#3826670";>View the original post http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=3826670>Reply to the post --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Advanced Documentation] - Re: pay-on-demand docs
anonymous wrote : With no disrespect to JBoss as a product, this idea of charging $10 for the docs is appalling marketing. I don't quite understand what you mean by it is appaling marketing, if they want to charge for a service that they provide what is wrong with that. anonymous wrote : There is a whole mind-set behind the idea of open-source software. But you are unwilling to give anything back, how would you like to see the documentation improved? anonymous wrote : Anyway it's all been gone over before. In what way has it all been gone over before? anonymous wrote : Just don't forget that as a developer I can always get weblogic for 90 days or websphere for 60 or whatever, and not have to pay a thing, and have the online docs available. You may be able to get Weblogic and Websphere for free for a limited time, but what about the end user that will be running the app that you have developed? anonymous wrote : How much revenue does it generate? 1000 a month? 5000 a month? It would have to at least 1,500 a month to make it worth it - that way it would support a developer and be worth the Why do they need to justify how much they make to you? And what puts you in the position to consider it a lame concept? The JBoss group are obviously happy that selling the documentation works. anonymous wrote : intangible cost of alienating developers who see it as a lame concept. Again, anything to back this comment up? anonymous wrote : Look at mysql - that's the way to do it. You get developers adding to the docs as well all the time, so as you rewrite them, you have the comments from them about exactly where you need to improve it. Yes I agree the documentation for MySQL is excelent, however there are legal issues when using the MySQL database commercially without purchasing a licence as that is the way that they have decided to fund their development. http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3826553#3826553";>View the original post http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=3826553>Reply to the post --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Advanced Documentation] - Re: pay-on-demand docs
hey, You guys are really confusing me, I just decided to buy that document so that I could know more on JBoss.net. If that doc doesn't provide any info on that, definitely i will not buy it. Please tell me how do i get more info on JBoss.net, Do I need to follow Axis documention? Will it suit for JBoss.net ?? reply me pls http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3826549#3826549";>View the original post http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=3826549>Reply to the post --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Advanced Documentation] - Re: pay-on-demand docs
"ahardy66" wrote : Just don't forget that as a developer I can always get weblogic for 90 days or websphere for 60 or whatever, and not have to pay a thing, and have the online docs available. | that is true, but at the end of that 60/90 day period, i have to pay an obscene amount of money (way more then 10 bux) in order to obtain a license so i can continue to use that product - whereas in jboss's case, i can continue using it for free. i don't disagree that the docs could be cleaned up and have more added to them, but at the same time, that 10 bux that i pay for it is also helping (in some small way) to keep the project alive, and is a small amount of money to pay to support a project i believe in. i'd much rather give money to open source software then "closed" source. http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3826546#3826546";>View the original post http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=3826546>Reply to the post --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Advanced Documentation] - Re: pay-on-demand docs
"jae77" wrote : and besides, you're getting a full j2ee app server for free , is 10 bux really that much money to shell out for documentation? With no disrespect to JBoss as a product, this idea of charging $10 for the docs is appalling marketing. There is a whole mind-set behind the idea of open-source software. Anyway it's all been gone over before. Just don't forget that as a developer I can always get weblogic for 90 days or websphere for 60 or whatever, and not have to pay a thing, and have the online docs available. How much revenue does it generate? 1000 a month? 5000 a month? It would have to at least 1,500 a month to make it worth it - that way it would support a developer and be worth the intangible cost of alienating developers who see it as a lame concept. Look at mysql - that's the way to do it. You get developers adding to the docs as well all the time, so as you rewrite them, you have the comments from them about exactly where you need to improve it. http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3826544#3826544";>View the original post http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=3826544>Reply to the post --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Advanced Documentation] - Re: pay-on-demand docs
What is it that you were actually trying to get out of the manual? I have found it invaluble when trying to work out how JBoss operates. Maybe I have got a different version of the documentation to you but I couldn't find any logging output that wasnt there to reinforce a point that was being made. Which diagrams are bizarre? What is it that you think is missing from the manual and which bits would you like to see improved? http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3826530#3826530";>View the original post http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=3826530>Reply to the post --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Advanced Documentation] - Re: pay-on-demand docs
while i do agree that there are holes in the docs and there are areas that could be improved upon, i think that they are really invaluable to have. i've gone back and referenced what is contained in those documents for my work on custom interceptors and subdeployers, and i don't think i would have been successful w/o the info contained in the docs. and besides, you're getting a full j2ee app server for free , is 10 bux really that much money to shell out for documentation? http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3826528#3826528";>View the original post http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=3826528>Reply to the post --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
