[JBoss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Hibernate 3.2.x

2006-05-10 Thread kukeltje
I'm not experienced in this area, but do you have specific areas where you 
think Hibernate 3.2.x can be an advantage to jBPM over 3.1?


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[JBoss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Hibernate 3.2.x

2006-05-10 Thread bdruth
Yes. Hibernate 3.2 provides support for a feature that's been missing for the 
past year  a half that relates to outer joins on optional parameters. To date, 
we've had to drop to SQL queries to support this, but HBN 3.2 removes this 
limitation and provides full support from the Criteria  HQL query objects.

Personally, I'm not yet the expert in this area - my colleague is. So, that 
said, I may have slightly misstated the issue. I apologize in advance!

For jBPM, we'll need this capability to support our retrieve tasks use case, 
which will support filters / sorts above and beyond what jBPM provides 
out-of-the-box.

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[JBoss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Hibernate 3.2.x

2006-05-10 Thread kukeltje
bdruth wrote : I apologize in advance!anonymous wrote : 
  |   | Don't ;-)
  |   | 
  |   | bdruth wrote : For jBPM, we'll need this capability to support our 
retrieve tasks use case, which will support filters / sorts above and beyond 
what jBPM provides out-of-the-box.
  |   | 
  |   | Why not help support it out of the box? in the jbpm 3.1 admin there is 
some functionality for this, but this still has to be ported to jbpm 3.2 
(mainly becaus of ui changes). Could you describe the functionality you are 
going to add?
  |   | 
  |   | Ronald

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[JBoss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Hibernate 3.2.x

2006-05-10 Thread bdruth
We're not really working on UI level things at the moment. We're going to 
support back-end queries like return page 2 of all tasks, with a page size of 
15, that have a status of new, active, or active-suspense and whose creation 
date is within the last two weeks for actors user12, user13, or user14

Something along those lines.

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[JBoss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Hibernate 3.2.x

2006-05-10 Thread bdruth
Note - I just got out of a meeting with my colleague, he will be sending me the 
URL to the JIRA issue for HBN that talks about this feature. He also indicated 
that apparently this is in 3.2.1

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[JBoss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Hibernate 3.2.x

2006-05-10 Thread kukeltje
hmm. not doing ui stuff. The thing you describe is very important for a 
performant pageable tasklist. The current implementation I have internally does 
not do this well. So it would be a great enhancement.



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[JBoss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Hibernate 3.2.x

2006-05-10 Thread bdruth
Indeed, that's why we're doing it :). But, we're not working on the UI at the 
moment. There's a pre-existing UI that we will be integrating with in August - 
it already has a workflow backend (custom), that we'll be replacing with the 
new jBPM backed backend.

The UI uses displaytag 1.1 which supports paging. Our main problem is that our 
retrieve tasks use case requires that we be able to filter on optional fields.  

I may just grab 3.2.1 when I can and see if it breaks anything.

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[JBoss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: Hibernate 3.2.x

2006-05-10 Thread bdruth
kukeltje wrote : I'm not experienced in this area, but do you have specific 
areas where you think Hibernate 3.2.x can be an advantage to jBPM over 3.1?
  | 

OK, here's what my colleague provided:

The enhancement we were talking about is:
 
http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-16
 
Currently scheduled for 3.2.1.  The scenario where we may need to do something 
like this is to do a retrieval of tasks (by arbitrary hibernate criteria) 
sorted by an optional variable key.  The sorting must be done using a left 
outer join on the variable tables (because it is optional), or tasks that are 
missing that variable won't be in the list.  While potentially this could also 
be done with some ugly subselects, the left outer join syntax is much cleaner.  
Perhaps JBPM knows of an even better way to do it?

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