Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
On Thursday 18 April 2002 21:23, Dmitri Colebatch wrote: Hi, > Granted JBuilder has come > a long way, It has, but so has its price Phil -- Linux 2.4.4-4GB 5:47pm up 3 days, 4:45, 1 user, load average: 0.42, 0.31, 0.21 ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
On Thursday 18 April 2002 21:49, JD Brennan wrote: Hi, > If you are going to be using Entity beans (persistence) > then you'll be much better off with JBoss 3.0 because > it supports CMP 2.0 - which will make it a lot easier > to implement persistence with Entity beans. We switched > from JBoss 2.4 to 3.0 Beta a few months ago for CMP 2.0 > and it has saved us a lot of time. Well, I have installed 3, and ordered the 2.4 book, so don't blame me when I come back here confused Phil -- Linux 2.4.4-4GB 5:46pm up 3 days, 4:43, 1 user, load average: 0.30, 0.26, 0.19 ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
Title: RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? Ignore last. JBoss OpenTool (from Protegra) does appear to keep jboss.xml and jbosscmp-jdbc.xml in synch. My bad. #mike -Original Message-From: Dmitri Colebatch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 5:24 PMTo: Mike Finn; JD Brennan; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? Granted JBuilder has come a long way, and yes provides a lot of functionality. Does it keep jboss.xml and jbosscmp-jdbc.xml/jaws.xml in sync? cheers dim - Original Message - From: Mike Finn To: JD Brennan ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? With JB6EE you can add/remove bean methods at will (to the implementation class source) and *JBuilder* keeps interfaces, etc in synch for you. Rename the method, add parms, etc, and the changes are reflected as well. It also gives you a property editor for beans (like for whether to generate local and/or remote interfaces) and methods. Halfway decent Entity bean generator too. The Open Tool is not necessary for any of this functionality. #mike -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JD BrennanSent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:28 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? I believe JBuilder will make it easy to create a bean in one place, but when you want to add a new method to it, you have to modify all the files. XDoclet allows you to create and modify your bean in one place - very cool! JD -Original Message- From: Dmitri Colebatch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? > > Also - have a look at XDoclet (http://sf.net/projects/xdoclet) as a useful > > development tool that has strong support for JBoss. > > Thanks. I will be using JBuilder 6 with the JBoss open tool so I think I > might have that side of things covered. just FYI, XDoclet is a tool that plugs into ant, and saves you time generating, and keeping uptodate, your remote/home interfaces and deployment descriptors etc. There's no reason you couldn't use it with JBuilder. cheers dimm ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
Title: RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? Granted JBuilder has come a long way, and yes provides a lot of functionality. Does it keep jboss.xml and jbosscmp-jdbc.xml/jaws.xml in sync? cheers dim - Original Message - From: Mike Finn To: JD Brennan ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? With JB6EE you can add/remove bean methods at will (to the implementation class source) and *JBuilder* keeps interfaces, etc in synch for you. Rename the method, add parms, etc, and the changes are reflected as well. It also gives you a property editor for beans (like for whether to generate local and/or remote interfaces) and methods. Halfway decent Entity bean generator too. The Open Tool is not necessary for any of this functionality. #mike -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JD BrennanSent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:28 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? I believe JBuilder will make it easy to create a bean in one place, but when you want to add a new method to it, you have to modify all the files. XDoclet allows you to create and modify your bean in one place - very cool! JD -Original Message- From: Dmitri Colebatch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? > > Also - have a look at XDoclet (http://sf.net/projects/xdoclet) as a useful > > development tool that has strong support for JBoss. > > Thanks. I will be using JBuilder 6 with the JBoss open tool so I think I > might have that side of things covered. just FYI, XDoclet is a tool that plugs into ant, and saves you time generating, and keeping uptodate, your remote/home interfaces and deployment descriptors etc. There's no reason you couldn't use it with JBuilder. cheers dimm ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
Title: RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? With JB6EE you can add/remove bean methods at will (to the implementation class source) and *JBuilder* keeps interfaces, etc in synch for you. Rename the method, add parms, etc, and the changes are reflected as well. It also gives you a property editor for beans (like for whether to generate local and/or remote interfaces) and methods. Halfway decent Entity bean generator too. The Open Tool is not necessary for any of this functionality. #mike -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JD BrennanSent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:28 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? I believe JBuilder will make it easy to create a bean in one place, but when you want to add a new method to it, you have to modify all the files. XDoclet allows you to create and modify your bean in one place - very cool! JD -Original Message- From: Dmitri Colebatch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? > > Also - have a look at XDoclet (http://sf.net/projects/xdoclet) as a useful > > development tool that has strong support for JBoss. > > Thanks. I will be using JBuilder 6 with the JBoss open tool so I think I > might have that side of things covered. just FYI, XDoclet is a tool that plugs into ant, and saves you time generating, and keeping uptodate, your remote/home interfaces and deployment descriptors etc. There's no reason you couldn't use it with JBuilder. cheers dimm ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
Title: RE: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? I believe JBuilder will make it easy to create a bean in one place, but when you want to add a new method to it, you have to modify all the files. XDoclet allows you to create and modify your bean in one place - very cool! JD -Original Message- From: Dmitri Colebatch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? > > Also - have a look at XDoclet (http://sf.net/projects/xdoclet) as a useful > > development tool that has strong support for JBoss. > > Thanks. I will be using JBuilder 6 with the JBoss open tool so I think I > might have that side of things covered. just FYI, XDoclet is a tool that plugs into ant, and saves you time generating, and keeping uptodate, your remote/home interfaces and deployment descriptors etc. There's no reason you couldn't use it with JBuilder. cheers dimm ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
> > Also - have a look at XDoclet (http://sf.net/projects/xdoclet) as a useful > > development tool that has strong support for JBoss. > > Thanks. I will be using JBuilder 6 with the JBoss open tool so I think I > might have that side of things covered. just FYI, XDoclet is a tool that plugs into ant, and saves you time generating, and keeping uptodate, your remote/home interfaces and deployment descriptors etc. There's no reason you couldn't use it with JBuilder. cheers dimm ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
a quickstart guide is planned "soon" the cmp2 and clustering docs are already available for quite a while. Deployment has been changing a lot;-) david jencks On 2002.04.16 22:51:01 -0400 Frank Morton wrote: > > -more flexible deployment and classloading system > > I have to admit I'm a little confused on deployment, particularly > in a development environment where things change a lot. Are > there any docs anywhere for 3.x or are any planned? > > > > ___ > JBoss-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user > > ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
> -more flexible deployment and classloading system I have to admit I'm a little confused on deployment, particularly in a development environment where things change a lot. Are there any docs anywhere for 3.x or are any planned? ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
Big additions to 3 from 2.4 (I may forget something...) -cmp2 -clustering -more flexible deployment and classloading system Maybe not so big additions: -web service support -corba support -improved jca and database connectivity support. Of these the big reason to look at 3 first is perhaps the cmp2 support. cmp1 tends to make it look like you can only see one db row at a time, cmp2 gives you "detail table" views of stuff. If you want to look at the source code and compile it yourself I highly recommend 3. I can't figure out how to compile 2.4 any longer;-) As for the book/ JBoss 3 race... we're trying, bad marketing or no;-) david jencks On 2002.04.16 21:11:44 -0400 Phil Shrimpton wrote: > On Tuesday 16 April 2002 23:35, Dmitri Colebatch wrote: > > Hi, > > > Are you entering the world of JBoss from another EJB server, or fresh? > > Fresh. > > > If > > you're entering fresh, and learning EJB, then I dont imagine the > > differences between 2.4 and 3.0 would bother you too much at first > > I am more concernern with documentation etc., which is very important > when > you are getting into something new. The 'book' is for 2.4, yet a lot of > the > discussion on the lists/forums is about about 3. I don't want to order > the > 'book' and post questions about 2.4,. only to be told to move to 3 > because it > is X, Y and Z > > > As I understand it, everything in 2.4 is also in 3.0, but there've > > been several significant architecture changes. > > Are these on the 'inside' or 'outside'? > > > also - the book covers 2.4, which would be a good argument for starting > > there. > > This is what I currently favour, but it would be good to know the > differences > between 2 and 3. I can't belive they are two great, especially as the > 2.4 > 'book' is not published here in the UK for another few weeks, and it > would be > a bad marketing effort to release a new, incompatible version before the > book > for the previous version is out. > > Phil > > -- > Linux 2.4.4-4GB > 1:04am up 109 day, 13:15, 1 user, load average: 1.49, 1.27, 1.24 > > ___ > JBoss-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user > > ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
> > If > > you're entering fresh, and learning EJB, then I dont imagine the > > differences between 2.4 and 3.0 would bother you too much at first > > I am more concernern with documentation etc., which is very important when > you are getting into something new. The 'book' is for 2.4, yet a lot of the > discussion on the lists/forums is about about 3. I don't want to order the > 'book' and post questions about 2.4,. only to be told to move to 3 because it > is X, Y and Z yep, fair call. JBoss 2.4 supports (as I understand it) - EJB 1.1 (SLSB, SFSB, CMP 1.x, BMP) - some of EJB 2.0 (MDB, local interfaces) JBoss 3.0 adds - the rest of EJB 2.0 (mainly CMP2) I'm sure there are more differences, but thats the key differences I think. > > As I understand it, everything in 2.4 is also in 3.0, but there've > > been several significant architecture changes. > > Are these on the 'inside' or 'outside'? inside, but as a result the configuration has changed. In 2.4 you have jboss.jcml which defines the services. In 3.0 you have a deploy directory that contains a whole bunch of foo-service.xml files, which each contain configuration for the foo service. > > also - the book covers 2.4, which would be a good argument for starting > > there. > > This is what I currently favour, but it would be good to know the differences > between 2 and 3. I can't belive they are two great, especially as the 2.4 > 'book' is not published here in the UK for another few weeks, and it would be > a bad marketing effort to release a new, incompatible version before the book > for the previous version is out. from a developer's viewpoint, you will code pretty similar stuff, as either way, you're coding EJBs. Of course there are changes between the 1.1 and 2.0 specs, but you can deploy 1.1 EJBs on a 2.0 server, so dont be too worried. Again - the main difference is in CMP2 and relationships. Admitably, this is a big difference, but I'd advice getting your head around other things first anyway. Also - have a look at XDoclet (http://sf.net/projects/xdoclet) as a useful development tool that has strong support for JBoss. hth dim ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
On Tuesday 16 April 2002 23:35, Dmitri Colebatch wrote: Hi, > Are you entering the world of JBoss from another EJB server, or fresh? Fresh. > If > you're entering fresh, and learning EJB, then I dont imagine the > differences between 2.4 and 3.0 would bother you too much at first I am more concernern with documentation etc., which is very important when you are getting into something new. The 'book' is for 2.4, yet a lot of the discussion on the lists/forums is about about 3. I don't want to order the 'book' and post questions about 2.4,. only to be told to move to 3 because it is X, Y and Z > As I understand it, everything in 2.4 is also in 3.0, but there've > been several significant architecture changes. Are these on the 'inside' or 'outside'? > also - the book covers 2.4, which would be a good argument for starting > there. This is what I currently favour, but it would be good to know the differences between 2 and 3. I can't belive they are two great, especially as the 2.4 'book' is not published here in the UK for another few weeks, and it would be a bad marketing effort to release a new, incompatible version before the book for the previous version is out. Phil -- Linux 2.4.4-4GB 1:04am up 109 day, 13:15, 1 user, load average: 1.49, 1.27, 1.24 ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
Re: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x?
Hi Phil, Are you entering the world of JBoss from another EJB server, or fresh? If you're entering fresh, and learning EJB, then I dont imagine the differences between 2.4 and 3.0 would bother you too much at first (ie, just use 2.4 and get your head around that). However if you really want to get into advanced features, then I suppose that would be an argument for 3.0. As I understand it, everything in 2.4 is also in 3.0, but there've been several significant architecture changes. also - the book covers 2.4, which would be a good argument for starting there. hth dim - Original Message - From: "Phil Shrimpton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: [JBoss-user] Differences between 2.x and 3.x? > Hi, > > Just entering the merry world of JBoss, mainly for learning and enjoyment. I > have Jboss 2.4 installed and running and I have ordered the Jboss 'Book'. > With Jboss 3 going into RC stage, I was wondering if I should start with > that? If I do is the 'book' relevent? What is the differences between 2.x > and 3.x? is 3.x, 2.x plus some extras, or is it a new product? Would I be > better starting with 2.x and the 'book' and moving to 3.x when I know what > the hell I am doing? > > questions, questions, questions.. > > Phil > -- > Linux 2.4.4-4GB > 12:15am up 109 days, 12:27, 1 user, load average: 2.50, 2.20, 1.87 > > ___ > JBoss-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
