[JDEV] Fix to make Jabberd on Solaris deal with SSL

[Andrew J Cosgriff]

On my Solaris 7 box, the SSL_accept in _mio_ssl_accept (mio_ssl.c:168)
causes an SSL_ERROR_WANT_READ, which means you're just meant to call
SSL_accept again until the error goes away.

...but you won't find this out unless you change ERR_get_error() to
SSL_get_error(ssl,ret), just below (line 172).


Of course I only came across a mention of the same problem on the web
/after/ I'd debugged and fixed it (argh !) -

http://urw.org/lists/archives/2001/3/OpenSSL-Users/0948.html


I didn't see any mention of it in the jabber lists, though, and
mio_ssl.c in CVS is the same as shipped in 1.4.1.  If it really is
still an unfixed problem, I can send a diff, I guess (although it
should be easy enough to fix given the above description).

Enjoy,
 Cos
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RE: [JDEV] good discussion

[temas]

Jabelin is not the server name, it is still jabberd (as it probably
always will be).  Rather, it is the name of the server development team.

--temas

On 16 May 2001 15:43:23 -0500, Emswiler, Mike wrote:
> Sorry I missed it - and will miss the next one, too - bad day for me.
> 
> But after reviewing the log, here's my $0.02 worth (assuming we live in an
> open source democracy):
> 
> I vote to call the protocol IMTP (Instant Messaging Transport Protocol) ala
> HTTP, FTP, et. al.
> 
> I think "Jabber Powered" or "Powered By Jabber" are actually misnomers,
> unless you actually have a Jabber Server embedded in your product.  If your
> product is a client, I would assume that advertising that it is "IMTP
> compliant" would be what you really want.  I mean after all, we don't want
> AIM to be "Powered by Jabber" but it sure would be nice if it were "IMTP
> Compatible"
> 
> Further, it was my assumption when beginning to work with Jabber that
> "Jabber" (the word) referred to the Open-Source Linux Server Project.  I
> understand that the server has now been renamed to Jabelin, which is kinda
> cool, but is that actually a rename, or is that just a code-name for a new
> version of the server?
> 
> If it's an actual rename, then I suppose some clarification is in order (TBD
> by the foundation, I would assume) as to what exactly "Jabber" is and who
> can use it.  In all honesty, since the server has been renamed, it's quite
> possible that the word "Jabber" might come out of common use and the whole
> discussion of who owns the trademark becomes moot.
> 
> :)
> 
> Thanks,
> MikeE
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [JDEV] good discussion
> 
> We had a good discussion regarding the Jabber Foundation in the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] meeting room just now. A log is here:
> 
> http://perl.jabber.org/logs/conference.jabber.org/foundation/2001-05-16.html
> 
> Another Foundation meeting will be held in the same room at 22:00 UTC
> (about 2 hours from the time I'm sending this email). If you will be
> participating in the next meeting, please read the log ahead of time so
> you know what we've already discussed. Also available is the meeting
> agenda, there's a link to it from http://foundation.jabber.org/ (right
> at the bottom of the page).
> 
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[JDEV] using dpsm..

[Dustin Puryear]

Okay, one more question about dpsm. I have removed the c2s section in
jabber.xml and replaced it with:

  

  
  5225
  dp5m

  

I then try and run dpsm, but get the error:

Starting up...
configure()...
init()...
Could not create connection to jabberd


Ok.. so dpsm can't connect to jabberd apparently. I dig a little and
find that jabberd is listening on port 5222, not 5225:

tcp 0 0 *:5269 *:* LISTEN  4282/jabberd
tcp 0 0 *:5222 *:* LISTEN  4282/jabberd

I assume jabberd should be listening on port 5225 and dpsm on 5222,
correct? Anyway, I played with mio.c and found that mio_listen() is
using port 5222 regardless of the  tag. This happens even with
the original c2s service:

  

  ./pthsock/pthsock_client.so


  

  2
  64
  64
  6
  0
  0
  64

  
  

  

Notice I am using port 5999, but jabberd continues to listen on ports
5269 and 5222 (instead of 5999). 

Am I doing something wrong?

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RE: [JDEV] good discussion

[Michael Bauer]

We've moved this discussion to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to keep jdev focused on,
well, dev.

-Original Message-
From: Julian Missig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [JDEV] good discussion


'Jabber' is, and always has been, the name of the protocol. The server
was also called Jabber, but now there's a specific Open Source Linux
server called Jabelin which is not being run by Jabber.com... Jabber.com
wants to be able to keep their commercial server separate.

Calling something "Jabber Powered" would mean that it is using Jabber...
the protocol. I call my client Gabber: The GNOME Jabber Client - I'm not
referring to the server there, but the protocol... it's the same as
calling it Gabber: The GNOME IMTP Client if it were renamed IMTP.

Julian

On 16 May 2001 15:43:23 -0500, Emswiler, Mike wrote:
> Sorry I missed it - and will miss the next one, too - bad day for me.
> 
> But after reviewing the log, here's my $0.02 worth (assuming we live in an
> open source democracy):
> 
> I vote to call the protocol IMTP (Instant Messaging Transport Protocol)
ala
> HTTP, FTP, et. al.
> 
> I think "Jabber Powered" or "Powered By Jabber" are actually misnomers,
> unless you actually have a Jabber Server embedded in your product.  If
your
> product is a client, I would assume that advertising that it is "IMTP
> compliant" would be what you really want.  I mean after all, we don't want
> AIM to be "Powered by Jabber" but it sure would be nice if it were "IMTP
> Compatible"
> 
> Further, it was my assumption when beginning to work with Jabber that
> "Jabber" (the word) referred to the Open-Source Linux Server Project.  I
> understand that the server has now been renamed to Jabelin, which is kinda
> cool, but is that actually a rename, or is that just a code-name for a new
> version of the server?
> 
> If it's an actual rename, then I suppose some clarification is in order
(TBD
> by the foundation, I would assume) as to what exactly "Jabber" is and who
> can use it.  In all honesty, since the server has been renamed, it's quite
> possible that the word "Jabber" might come out of common use and the whole
> discussion of who owns the trademark becomes moot.
> 
> :)
> 
> Thanks,
> MikeE
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [JDEV] good discussion
> 
> We had a good discussion regarding the Jabber Foundation in the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] meeting room just now. A log is here:
> 
>
http://perl.jabber.org/logs/conference.jabber.org/foundation/2001-05-16.html
> 
> Another Foundation meeting will be held in the same room at 22:00 UTC
> (about 2 hours from the time I'm sending this email). If you will be
> participating in the next meeting, please read the log ahead of time so
> you know what we've already discussed. Also available is the meeting
> agenda, there's a link to it from http://foundation.jabber.org/ (right
> at the bottom of the page).
> 
> Peter
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RE: [JDEV] good discussion

[Julian Missig]

'Jabber' is, and always has been, the name of the protocol. The server
was also called Jabber, but now there's a specific Open Source Linux
server called Jabelin which is not being run by Jabber.com... Jabber.com
wants to be able to keep their commercial server separate.

Calling something "Jabber Powered" would mean that it is using Jabber...
the protocol. I call my client Gabber: The GNOME Jabber Client - I'm not
referring to the server there, but the protocol... it's the same as
calling it Gabber: The GNOME IMTP Client if it were renamed IMTP.

Julian

On 16 May 2001 15:43:23 -0500, Emswiler, Mike wrote:
> Sorry I missed it - and will miss the next one, too - bad day for me.
> 
> But after reviewing the log, here's my $0.02 worth (assuming we live in an
> open source democracy):
> 
> I vote to call the protocol IMTP (Instant Messaging Transport Protocol) ala
> HTTP, FTP, et. al.
> 
> I think "Jabber Powered" or "Powered By Jabber" are actually misnomers,
> unless you actually have a Jabber Server embedded in your product.  If your
> product is a client, I would assume that advertising that it is "IMTP
> compliant" would be what you really want.  I mean after all, we don't want
> AIM to be "Powered by Jabber" but it sure would be nice if it were "IMTP
> Compatible"
> 
> Further, it was my assumption when beginning to work with Jabber that
> "Jabber" (the word) referred to the Open-Source Linux Server Project.  I
> understand that the server has now been renamed to Jabelin, which is kinda
> cool, but is that actually a rename, or is that just a code-name for a new
> version of the server?
> 
> If it's an actual rename, then I suppose some clarification is in order (TBD
> by the foundation, I would assume) as to what exactly "Jabber" is and who
> can use it.  In all honesty, since the server has been renamed, it's quite
> possible that the word "Jabber" might come out of common use and the whole
> discussion of who owns the trademark becomes moot.
> 
> :)
> 
> Thanks,
> MikeE
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [JDEV] good discussion
> 
> We had a good discussion regarding the Jabber Foundation in the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] meeting room just now. A log is here:
> 
> http://perl.jabber.org/logs/conference.jabber.org/foundation/2001-05-16.html
> 
> Another Foundation meeting will be held in the same room at 22:00 UTC
> (about 2 hours from the time I'm sending this email). If you will be
> participating in the next meeting, please read the log ahead of time so
> you know what we've already discussed. Also available is the meeting
> agenda, there's a link to it from http://foundation.jabber.org/ (right
> at the bottom of the page).
> 
> Peter
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RE: [JDEV] good discussion

[Emswiler, Mike]

Sorry I missed it - and will miss the next one, too - bad day for me.

But after reviewing the log, here's my $0.02 worth (assuming we live in an
open source democracy):

I vote to call the protocol IMTP (Instant Messaging Transport Protocol) ala
HTTP, FTP, et. al.

I think "Jabber Powered" or "Powered By Jabber" are actually misnomers,
unless you actually have a Jabber Server embedded in your product.  If your
product is a client, I would assume that advertising that it is "IMTP
compliant" would be what you really want.  I mean after all, we don't want
AIM to be "Powered by Jabber" but it sure would be nice if it were "IMTP
Compatible"

Further, it was my assumption when beginning to work with Jabber that
"Jabber" (the word) referred to the Open-Source Linux Server Project.  I
understand that the server has now been renamed to Jabelin, which is kinda
cool, but is that actually a rename, or is that just a code-name for a new
version of the server?

If it's an actual rename, then I suppose some clarification is in order (TBD
by the foundation, I would assume) as to what exactly "Jabber" is and who
can use it.  In all honesty, since the server has been renamed, it's quite
possible that the word "Jabber" might come out of common use and the whole
discussion of who owns the trademark becomes moot.

:)

Thanks,
MikeE


-Original Message-
From: Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [JDEV] good discussion

We had a good discussion regarding the Jabber Foundation in the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] meeting room just now. A log is here:

http://perl.jabber.org/logs/conference.jabber.org/foundation/2001-05-16.html

Another Foundation meeting will be held in the same room at 22:00 UTC
(about 2 hours from the time I'm sending this email). If you will be
participating in the next meeting, please read the log ahead of time so
you know what we've already discussed. Also available is the meeting
agenda, there's a link to it from http://foundation.jabber.org/ (right
at the bottom of the page).

Peter

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[JDEV] good discussion

[Peter Saint-Andre]

We had a good discussion regarding the Jabber Foundation in the 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] meeting room just now. A log is here:

http://perl.jabber.org/logs/conference.jabber.org/foundation/2001-05-16.html

Another Foundation meeting will be held in the same room at 22:00 UTC 
(about 2 hours from the time I'm sending this email). If you will be 
participating in the next meeting, please read the log ahead of time so 
you know what we've already discussed. Also available is the meeting 
agenda, there's a link to it from http://foundation.jabber.org/ (right 
at the bottom of the page).

Peter

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[JDEV] transport ids & passwords

[Tony Byers]

Has anyone made changes so that the transport id and password are stored
on the client side rather than the server or is there a reason why this
couldn't be done.

Tony


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[JDEV] Re: Apple Mac OS X : announcing alpha release of Jabber 1.4.1

[Jabber Developer]

Jason

what exactly did you do to have it work ? We just try with pth-
1.4.0 but without success :
- if we build pth-1.4.0 as a library installed in /usr/local 
when compiling jabber it complains for 2 missing symbols
- if you modify the Makefile inside jabberd to use only pth-
1.4.0 it compiles fine but seems to crash later while 
running after receiving an incoming authentification (we 
comment out the changes in mio.c)

If we leave our initial code in mio.c then it works exactly the 
same way as with pth-1.3.7.
Were you able to have some clients connected to your 
server ? Or did you just run the server without any 
connections (which is what it looks like).

You have to understand that the small modifications in 
mio.c have a huge impact on the server behavior. Without 
the pth_usleep() and the pth_yield() the server will crash 
almost after receiving an authentification or account 
creation request. 
Without those changes the server can start but will not 
work really long. We absolutly need to have someone in 
the core team to look at the problem in order to fix it 
definitly.


Otherwise to answer your question : in order to create an 
account, you should either use JabberIM on Windows (see 
jabber.com), or open a telnet session on your server and 
send the right XML to create an account. After that you can 
switch to Fire.app.


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I have built  and installed pth-1.4.0. "make test" returns 
eveything 
"OK". Make sure to build
WITHOUT "-O2" set.

In using pth-1.4, I was able to get rid of the MACOSX 
changes involving 
the pth calls.

I then updated platform-settings as follows:
#PSUBDIR=pth-1.3.7
#PLINK=$(HOME)/jabberd/pth-1.3.7/pth_*.o
PLINK=-L/usr/local/lib -lpth

I also moved pth-1.3.7 out of the way and did a "make 
static". 
Everything seems to have built fine.

It runs but I don't know what to do to connect to it with a 
client 
(Fire.app).

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Re: [JDEV] trouble compiling dpsm

[Dustin Puryear]

Benoit Orihuela wrote:
> You also need to make modifications to the Makefile. I've added
> -I../jabberd in the CFLAGS sections. I've also had to remove
> connection.o from the objects list and add client.o
> 
> After that, dpsm should compile well ...

I found I also needed ../jabberd/lib/karma.o to compile it. Dunno about
getting it to work, but at least it compiles now. Ahh, the hazards of
working with a pet project that has only just begun.  Anyway, for anyone
else trying to compile dpsm, my final Makefile that *seems* to work is:

CC=gcc
CFLAGS=-Wall -g `libxode-config --cflags` `jabber-config --cflags` -I./
-DDEBUG=1 -I../jabberd
LIBS=`libxode-config --libs` `jabber-config --libs`
LDFLAGS=`libxode-config --ldflags` `jabber-config --ldflags`

dpsm_OBJECTS= \
client.o \
dpsm.o \
listener.o \
master.o \
sockets.o \
../jabberd/lib/karma.o

dpsm_CFLAGS=-I../ -I./

all: $(dpsm_OBJECTS)
$(CC) -g -o dpsm $(dpsm_OBJECTS) $(LDFLAGS) $(LIBS)

clean:
rm -f $(dpsm_OBJECTS) dpsm

I'm sure I broke something somewhere though. 

Regards, Dustin

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[JDEV] test suite

[Dustin Puryear]

The original release of the test suite was a working prototype.
Naturally, I have scratched it and am now building the suite proper.
Please feel free to check it out from CVS and make contributes, test the
code, or just use it. Currently, I only have a working version of
msgblast (send as many messages as possible and time return delivery for
ONE user) in CVS. I have the following remaining to complete:

1 message delivery with x logged-on passive users
2 message delivery with x logged-on active users
3 user creation time
4 roster request time
5 authentication time for given authentication method
6 filters?

Colin, the 'max users before message latency becomes noticable' and 'max
registered users before auth process takes too long' of your request doc
are obviously covered by 1, 2, and 5.

Oh, the snapshot release on SourceForge is NOT updated. I need to figure
out how to automated the process on SourceForge at some point. So for
now it's only CVS.

Regards, Dustin

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[JDEV] Getting a 404 trying to create a chat room with jabber:iq:conference

[Jens Alfke]

Still working on implementing chat. Since the 1.4 server how-to document insists that generic conferencing is implemented via conference.so, that's what I'm implementing. This is a straight 1.4.1 server and conference.so running on Solaris with no special setup beyond what's given in the how-to docs.

Unfortunately when trying to create a new chat room I get an error 404 ("not found") back from the server. I'm sending an IQ "set" with the jabber:iq:conference namespace to create the room, as described in the Generic Conferencing document. According to the docs, even if the server doesn't allow creating rooms, it should return 405 instead.

Below is a literal transcript of what's happening. I first query the room to make sure it doesn't already exist, then when I get the expected 404 I create the room, which results in an unexpected 404. This is copied directly from my client's XML transcript window, except I've replaced the actual server address with "myserver". The blue italic stuff is what my client sends, the black regular text is the server's reply.

Any suggestions or ideas?









Not Found



jens





jens

Not Found

—Jens

[JDEV] Re: [Mac-dev] Apple Mac OS X : announcing alpha release of Jabber1.4.1

[Max Horn]

At 14:07 Uhr -0400 16.05.2001, Jason Jobe wrote:
>I have built  and installed pth-1.4.0. "make test" returns eveything 
>"OK". Make sure to build
>WITHOUT "-O2" set.
>
>In using pth-1.4, I was able to get rid of the MACOSX changes 
>involving the pth calls.
>
>I then updated platform-settings as follows:
>   #PSUBDIR=pth-1.3.7
>   #PLINK=$(HOME)/jabberd/pth-1.3.7/pth_*.o
>   PLINK=-L/usr/local/lib -lpth
>
>I also moved pth-1.3.7 out of the way and did a "make static". 
>Everything seems to have built fine.
>
>It runs but I don't know what to do to connect to it with a client (Fire.app).


Interesting that it runs better with 1.4!


And it works pretty well on my machine, too! I have a DNS entry for 
my machine (via dyndns.org), so it is pretty straightforward to use.

However, it has troubles whenever it tries to resolve any hostnames 
which are invalid or just not reachable - that results in a hang. 
Dunno why. :/



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RE: [JDEV] newbie question, can anyone show me a working version of a jabber.xml with transports added to it?

[Nic. Schellekens]

Thanks for your answer Peter. I posted on purpose here, as I for one felt
that trying to attempt to let others know (the developers amongst us) what
problems can occur when looking at using instructions. I am more than aware
from personal developing experience the manuals and howto's always take
second place.

anyway, cheers for a VERY fast reaction

Nic

> -Original Message-
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [JDEV] newbie question, can anyone show me a working
> version of a jabber.xml with transports added to it?
>
>
> Hallo Nic,
>
> I have posted my configuration files for running the server both as a
> single process and for running it as multiple processes (i.e., separate
> processes for add-on services such as conferencing and the transports)
> on my site at http://jabber.to/xml/ -- however I have not updated these
> files in at least a few weeks and I know for a fact that the ICQ setup
> in single.xml there is incorrect (although the icqtrans.xml file for
> running the ICQ Transport as a separate process does work with the
> latest release). I would be happy to help you out as I have time to do
> so. Also please note that there is a dedicated mailing list for
> installing, configuring, and administering Jabber servers: it's called
> JADMIN and you can sign up at http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jadmin
> (the JDEV list to which you have posted is supposed to be for discussion
> of software development with Jabber, not server administration).
>
> Hope this helps.
>
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[JDEV] Re: [Mac-dev] Apple Mac OS X : announcing alpha release of Jabber1.4.1

[Max Horn]

Wonderful


I will test this ASAP at my home machine. Thanks for your efforts. I 
am sure that most changes can be included in the official CVS 
immediatly, only the slightly "spooky" changes to mio.c might need 
some review (as you said yourself, somebody who is a mio+pth guru 
[jer? temas? dizzyd? anybody? ;)] should do that)


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Re: [JDEV] Jabber DevZone News - Joining the Foundation

[Peter Saint-Andre]

BTW, I fixed the problems with the form in IE. Let me know if you 
continue to experience trouble with the form.

Peter

Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

> Sorry about that, we had some troubles with the form right at the 
> beginning. You might want to retry now.
> 
> Peter
> 
> Emswiler, Mike wrote:
> 
>> This may not be the proper list, but it's certainly related to the 
>> content:
>>
>> I just went to the application page and filled out the requested 
>> information
>> and after pressing submit, it just returns me to the same application 
>> page
>> form.  I am not sure if it is actually doing anything.  I'm running 
>> MSIE 5.0
>>
>> Thanks,
>> MikeE
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jabber DevZone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 2:20 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: [JDEV] Jabber DevZone News - Joining the Foundation
>>
>> Joining the Foundation
>>
>> The following was posted by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via the Jabber DevZone web
>> site (http://dev.jabber.org/):
>>
>> Following up on recent discussions, the Jabber Foundation is now
>> welcoming all active participants in the Jabber community to become
>> members of the Foundation. The meeting summary posted yesterday
>> contains a good overview of what membership entails. Membership is
>> free, so head on over to the application page to sign up!
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [JDEV] newbie question, can anyone show me a working version of a jabber.xml with transports added to it?

[Peter Saint-Andre]

Hallo Nic,

I have posted my configuration files for running the server both as a 
single process and for running it as multiple processes (i.e., separate 
processes for add-on services such as conferencing and the transports) 
on my site at http://jabber.to/xml/ -- however I have not updated these 
files in at least a few weeks and I know for a fact that the ICQ setup 
in single.xml there is incorrect (although the icqtrans.xml file for 
running the ICQ Transport as a separate process does work with the 
latest release). I would be happy to help you out as I have time to do 
so. Also please note that there is a dedicated mailing list for 
installing, configuring, and administering Jabber servers: it's called 
JADMIN and you can sign up at http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jadmin 
(the JDEV list to which you have posted is supposed to be for discussion 
of software development with Jabber, not server administration).

Hope this helps.

Peter

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Nic. Schellekens wrote:

> Possibly I am gonna get it, but here we go.
> 
> Am a relative newbie at Linux (having installed Redhat 7.1 and other earlier
> versions before) and totally blank when it comes to Jabber.
> Am heavily involved in designing, testing and implementing of free systems
> for visually impaired people in the Netherlands. As Jabber would be THE
> answer to all those who cannot use the numerous messaging clients around (as
> they are NOT accesible using for instance a braille output or speech
> synthesizers) I have taken it onto me to test and help the development team
> to connect to our own server to test new clients.
> 
> My problem is the following. I have set up a jabber test server which was
> not difficult at all.
> But then, when wanting to add services to it, the whole thing starts to
> backfire and starts to refuse to work in any way shape or form.
> 
> I find that the Howto's look good, but when a newbie like myself starts to
> work through them, things go pearshaped. Do not get me wrong, I am not
> knocking those who do wonderful things with developments, but please allow
> those who are not in the know as much as yourself, to at least have a stab
> at setting things up! Development (as I see it) needs proper documentation
> and a debugging system, in order for others to immitate the trick one has
> designed. Yet again, thanks for all your time and effort, i DO appreciate
> it, but PLEASE help us to get things going.
> 
> So, what would I LOVE to see, if I may? Someone outthere who has a perfect
> working Jabber.xml, who is willing to put a bit of work in it, to share
> his/her success with those who are dying to start investigating and
> developing with Jabber. Is there anybody out there who can help us? It would
> save us a lot of time and effort. Is anyone willing to send us a fully
> equipped jabber.xml file, for a server to run under RedHat 7.1, so that I
> can avoid wasting time and fraying my nerves trying to get things right.
> 
> Thanks for your time.
> 
> Nic.
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RE: Client Capabilities Namespace and RE: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name

[Emswiler, Mike]

Agreed.  And to avoid your timeout scenario, this query functionality could
be a requirement for "Jabber" compatibility testing :)

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-Original Message-
From: Peter Millard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Client Capabilities Namespace and RE: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name

Mike -

One of the things that jabber browsing was supposed to do was to enable
clients to check for capabilities.. so my client would send an , and the other client would respond to that
query with a list of all the namespaces that it supports, including the
elusive "MYCLIENT:VOICE" namespace :) So they your client would know what it
can do...

I'm working on implementing this right now in winjab, the obvious problem is
that if you don't get a response, you need to wait for a timeout or
something equally gross. This isn't the best way to handle this I think, but
its a very good start... It would help a lot if there was a "query"
mechanism built into the browsing protocol, so I could say to a specific
client "do you support jabber:x:foo??" instead of saying "give me a complete
list of all namespaces you support".

Peter Millard.

- Original Message -
From: "Emswiler, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:48 PM
Subject: Client Capabilities Namespace and RE: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name


> On the Naming Issue:
> 
>
> It was my understanding that the Jabber server, protocol and concept are
> *not* in fact Jabber.com's stuff, but Jeremie's stuff that he was gracious
> enough to add to the open source movement.
>
> Is this not correct?
>
> On the Client Compatibility Issue:
> 
>
> If it has not already been discussed, it is my humble opinion that all
> clients should be required to support at least a Query Capability XML
packet
> and return a TRUE/FALSE when it receives it.  Additionally, a Get
> Capabilities List packet would be nice, allowing the client to enumerate
> supported capabilities.
>
> What I mean by this is that my jabber client should be able to send to any
> online jabber client a query capability packet and ask that client if it
> supports my voice format (specified by some unique string id that I made
up,
> like "MYCLIENT:VOICE" that is probably used as an  namespace. If it
> returned true, my client could safely send it voice messages and know the
> recipient can play them.  If false, I would disable the voice send feature
> for that user in the buddy list.
>
> Alternatively, the server could be expanded  to store client
> capabilities which could become of the login negotiation (since any client
> can be run against any JID at any time, it would be necessary to do this
on
> a per session basis.)  This has the added benefit of reducing capability
> query traffic.
>
> BTW, when I say "packet", I'm referring to an XML message from a jabber
> client to a jabber server, much like the presence message.
>
> With something such as this, anyone can arbitrarily add their own
namespaces
> and easily determine which clients can and cannot support their custom
> features (regardless of whether they are voice features, file transfer,
> xhtml, etc.)
>
> Once again, just my humble opinion
>
> MikeE


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[JDEV] newbie question, can anyone show me a working version of a jabber.xml with transports added to it?

[Nic. Schellekens]

Possibly I am gonna get it, but here we go.

Am a relative newbie at Linux (having installed Redhat 7.1 and other earlier
versions before) and totally blank when it comes to Jabber.
Am heavily involved in designing, testing and implementing of free systems
for visually impaired people in the Netherlands. As Jabber would be THE
answer to all those who cannot use the numerous messaging clients around (as
they are NOT accesible using for instance a braille output or speech
synthesizers) I have taken it onto me to test and help the development team
to connect to our own server to test new clients.

My problem is the following. I have set up a jabber test server which was
not difficult at all.
But then, when wanting to add services to it, the whole thing starts to
backfire and starts to refuse to work in any way shape or form.

I find that the Howto's look good, but when a newbie like myself starts to
work through them, things go pearshaped. Do not get me wrong, I am not
knocking those who do wonderful things with developments, but please allow
those who are not in the know as much as yourself, to at least have a stab
at setting things up! Development (as I see it) needs proper documentation
and a debugging system, in order for others to immitate the trick one has
designed. Yet again, thanks for all your time and effort, i DO appreciate
it, but PLEASE help us to get things going.

So, what would I LOVE to see, if I may? Someone outthere who has a perfect
working Jabber.xml, who is willing to put a bit of work in it, to share
his/her success with those who are dying to start investigating and
developing with Jabber. Is there anybody out there who can help us? It would
save us a lot of time and effort. Is anyone willing to send us a fully
equipped jabber.xml file, for a server to run under RedHat 7.1, so that I
can avoid wasting time and fraying my nerves trying to get things right.

Thanks for your time.

Nic.


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Re: Client Capabilities Namespace and RE: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name

[Peter Millard]

Mike -

One of the things that jabber browsing was supposed to do was to enable
clients to check for capabilities.. so my client would send an , and the other client would respond to that
query with a list of all the namespaces that it supports, including the
elusive "MYCLIENT:VOICE" namespace :) So they your client would know what it
can do...

I'm working on implementing this right now in winjab, the obvious problem is
that if you don't get a response, you need to wait for a timeout or
something equally gross. This isn't the best way to handle this I think, but
its a very good start... It would help a lot if there was a "query"
mechanism built into the browsing protocol, so I could say to a specific
client "do you support jabber:x:foo??" instead of saying "give me a complete
list of all namespaces you support".

Peter Millard.

- Original Message -
From: "Emswiler, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:48 PM
Subject: Client Capabilities Namespace and RE: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name


> On the Naming Issue:
> 
>
> It was my understanding that the Jabber server, protocol and concept are
> *not* in fact Jabber.com's stuff, but Jeremie's stuff that he was gracious
> enough to add to the open source movement.
>
> Is this not correct?
>
> On the Client Compatibility Issue:
> 
>
> If it has not already been discussed, it is my humble opinion that all
> clients should be required to support at least a Query Capability XML
packet
> and return a TRUE/FALSE when it receives it.  Additionally, a Get
> Capabilities List packet would be nice, allowing the client to enumerate
> supported capabilities.
>
> What I mean by this is that my jabber client should be able to send to any
> online jabber client a query capability packet and ask that client if it
> supports my voice format (specified by some unique string id that I made
up,
> like "MYCLIENT:VOICE" that is probably used as an  namespace. If it
> returned true, my client could safely send it voice messages and know the
> recipient can play them.  If false, I would disable the voice send feature
> for that user in the buddy list.
>
> Alternatively, the server could be expanded  to store client
> capabilities which could become of the login negotiation (since any client
> can be run against any JID at any time, it would be necessary to do this
on
> a per session basis.)  This has the added benefit of reducing capability
> query traffic.
>
> BTW, when I say "packet", I'm referring to an XML message from a jabber
> client to a jabber server, much like the presence message.
>
> With something such as this, anyone can arbitrarily add their own
namespaces
> and easily determine which clients can and cannot support their custom
> features (regardless of whether they are voice features, file transfer,
> xhtml, etc.)
>
> Once again, just my humble opinion
>
> MikeE


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Re: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name

[Peter Saint-Andre]

temas wrote:

> Wow that was repeitive and rambly sorry, just kind of stirred, and I'm
> not sure why.  I'm starting to think this thread is very off topic for
> the jdev mailing list, but I can think of a better place for it to
> happen.  Any ideas?

Maybe the new [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for members of the Foundation? If 
you haven't signed up yet, go to http://jabber.org/?oid=1372 (it seems 
to display poorly in some versions of IE, but the HTML looks okay as far 
as I can see, we'll try to fix that soon).

Peter

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[JDEV] initiating probes

[Ben Piercey]

Is there a way to get the server to send out 
probes
for the people on your roster OTHER THAN 
sending
an unavailable presence packet followed 
immediately
by an available pres. packet?
 
--Ben.

[JDEV] Re: Apple Mac OS X : announcing alpha release of Jabber 1.4.1

[Jabber Developer]

Eliot

the license is exactly the same one as jabber license... If you look the 
content of the tarball it's exactly the same content of the tarball you 
can download from jabber.org except the changes in various place in the 
source or configuration file (check out : 
http://www.funcall.com/Documentation/Jabber/BuildingJabberOnMacOSX.html).

Otherwise yes you can help to clean up the documentation ! Any help is 
appreciated.

Now that we released the changes to the community, what is the best way 
to have them included in the next release ??
And btw If a guru of pth and mio can take a closer look at our changes 
and can figure out why without those changes the server is crashing, it 
will be great!

Func@ll Jabber Team
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Re: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name

[Thomas Charron]

From: Jens Alfke
Subject: Re: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name
I see a few more choices. There's a distinction between using the name
"Jabber" as part of a product name, vs. simply declaring the product as
"Jabber compatible" (and of course using the word "Jabber" or the light bulb
logo in the UI.)

This is getting just plain silly.  Jabber.com simply bought the rights
to the term Jabber so they could be called Jabber, and the project, and
their company, could continue to use it.  If it came down to a court case,
theres a distinct possibility that the trademark would be vacated, simply do
to the fact of lack of enforcement.  You see, Trademark law goes both ways.
You can pretty much trademark anything under the sun.  But then comes to
part about 'vigourously defending'.  They certainly haven't done that, which
speaks volumes regarding why they purchased th name in the first place.

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Re[2]: [JDEV] (no subject)

[Thomas Parslow (PatRat)]

>DOS attack, anyone?

Or just ring the 0800 number to complain if your in the UK, costs
them :)

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Re: [JDEV] Jabber DevZone News - Joining the Foundation

[Rahul Dave]

Thanks, I was assuming jabber.org, now why didnt I try that?
Rahul
I got this from you:
> 
> I believe it checks to make sure you put a [EMAIL PROTECTED] style name.
> 
> --temas
> 
> 
> On 15 May 2001 22:22:02 -0400, Rahul Dave wrote:
> > Perhaps its just me, but I still keep hetting the form back with
> > * jabber id is invalid
> > (which it isnt..
> > Rahul
> > I got this from you:
> > > 
> > > Sorry about that, we had some troubles with the form right at the 
> > > beginning. You might want to retry now.
> > > 
> > > Peter
> > > 
> > > Emswiler, Mike wrote:
> > > 
> > > > This may not be the proper list, but it's certainly related to the content:
> > > > 
> > > > I just went to the application page and filled out the requested information
> > > > and after pressing submit, it just returns me to the same application page
> > > > form.  I am not sure if it is actually doing anything.  I'm running MSIE 5.0
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > MikeE
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Jabber DevZone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 2:20 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: [JDEV] Jabber DevZone News - Joining the Foundation
> > > > 
> > > > Joining the Foundation
> > > > 
> > > > The following was posted by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via the Jabber DevZone web
> > > > site (http://dev.jabber.org/):
> > > > 
> > > > Following up on recent discussions, the Jabber Foundation is now
> > > > welcoming all active participants in the Jabber community to become
> > > > members of the Foundation. The meeting summary posted yesterday
> > > > contains a good overview of what membership entails. Membership is
> > > > free, so head on over to the application page to sign up!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://jabber.org/?oid=1441
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> > > > 
> > > > .
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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RE: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name

[zad]

Thank you temas. I was just about to say that.
May I suggest Members list, maybe !

zad

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> temas
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:07 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name
>
>
> Wow that was repeitive and rambly sorry, just kind of stirred, and I'm
> not sure why.  I'm starting to think this thread is very off topic for
> the jdev mailing list, but I can think of a better place for it to
> happen.  Any ideas?
>
> --temas
>
> On 15 May 2001 22:39:13 -0500, temas wrote:
> > I feel this horribly distorts my points into a corporate view.
> > Jabber.Com made no progress on getting people to do mundane tasks, and
> > they have not yet made any progress on getting people to do mundane
> > tasks.  They are still carried out by by the people that have been
> > working on them since the beginning of Jabber.  I began my tasks long
> > before I was hired by Jabber.Com.  As is right now, at this very instant
> > nothing has changed in the process for new people to join and help in
> > these "mundane" tasks, not one bit, so how is the relaxing of a name
> > going to change anything?
> >
> > Frankly, I don't think it will because corporations have to make money.
> > Writing publiically available documentation makes a company no money.
> > Having someone sit around and work on public documentation rather than a
> > manual to your software, or tech docs to your software just doesn't make
> > sense to me.  I'm sure this doesn't necessarily make sense coming from
> > someone that works for a company on only open source projects, but I
> > have helped jabber.com make money by going to corporations and doing
> > tech talks, and by advocating Jabber in general.
> >
> > None of that are statements made regarding the specific use of the word
> > Jabber in a product or name, here are some of my personal thoughts on
> > the name issue:
> >
> > How does the possiblity of getting hired by a company be affected by the
> > name (such as only Jabber.Com), I feel I would have just as much with
> > O'Reilly, or some company looking for a real sharp technical writer (how
> > many instant messaging startups are there out there right now?  I dunno
> > let me look in my inbox at some of the job solicitations).  The name
> > does not reflect that at all.
> >
> > My thoughts on the issue overall are this (speaking from a purely not
> > jabber.com view).  The real issue here is who holds the Jabber
> > trademark, not how it is carried out.  I strongly, and I do mean
> > strongly feel that it should not be polluted in the way that Linux has.
> > Ponder this question:  "Do you have Linux?"  Now if I was asked this by
> > a person I didn't know would I think they mean linux th e OS, Red Hat
> > Linux, a VA Linux workstation, a VA Linux server, a Pocket Linux system?
> > What the heck do they want to know?!  The Linux trademark is very very
> > polluted now, what if I went out and made a killer win32 jabber client
> > and called it Linux Thang.  Everyone takes to calling it Linux and I get
> > millions upon millions of downloads, suddenly someone once again says
> > "Hey you got that new Linux yet?"  Oh man, is that a kernel or the new
> > release I just made of my client.  Dang I'm stuck.
> >
> > Summarize, I do not think that companies or anyone should be able to
> > freely use the word Jabber like that.  What I do think should be
> > available is an easy to use process to receive a derivate certification
> > mark from the trademark holder, or some other derivate mark that then
> > fully gives me the right to use the word, phrase, symbol whatever for
> > the spreading of my work or ideas.  Jabber is something amazing, and it
> > really should be available to all and be allowed to easily spread and
> > become the de facto IM standard.  I really do _not_ want it to become
> > another word that has absolutely no meaning and solidarity, because that
> > doesn't let us achieve what we want.
> >
> > --temas
> >
> > On 15 May 2001 20:00:40 -0700, Flora Brunas wrote:
> > > --- temas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I want to very very strongly restate what Peter
> > > > said The lack of
> > > > powerful transports and document ation is because of
> > > > people, not the
> > > > corporations, and suggesting otherwise is a bit
> > > > ludicrous in my opinion.
> > > > These are mundane tasks, and basically no one will
> > > > ever step up to the
> > > > plate.  I have, and even I feel it sucks.  I get
> > > > bored and lose interest
> > > > in them for a while, and eventually come back.
> > >
> > > This shows my point, Temas.
> > >
> > > People obviously aren't willing to do the mundane
> > > tasks.  Jabber.com comes along, and makes some
> > > progress on this, but still there are only 5 "core
> > > dudes" making progress in getting things out.  (your
> > > words)
> > >
> > > If other corporations besides Jabber.com are allowed
> 

Re: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name

[Flora Brunas]

--- temas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I feel this horribly distorts my points into a
> corporate view.
> Jabber.Com made no progress on getting people to do
> mundane tasks, and
> they have not yet made any progress on getting
> people to do mundane
> tasks.  They are still carried out by by the people
> that have been
> working on them since the beginning of Jabber

By "mundane" I gather you mean documentation and
transport fixes like you mentioned previously.  I
assumed Jabber.com was paying people to work on these
things, and that progress has been made due to
Jabber.com's involvement.  I also assumed new people
have joined the Jabber movement "since the beginning"
and have made contributions.  Guess not!

I appreciate being able to chat publicly with everyone
here about this subject today.  The subject is in the
open, and being addressed by the Foundation tomorrow,
so I will not post here concerning it from now on.

To let you know where I'm at personally, I'm
considering releasing my company's software for use
with Jabber.  If I can use the "J" word in my product
name, that would be great for me and great for the
Jabber Community.  If I can't use the "J" word, and
Judge Judy isn't selected for the trademark
infringement trial, I'll have to rename it =]  

I hope "Jabber" can be used by anyone with a great
product using Jabber technology.  Not just Jabber.com.

Flora


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