Re: [jdev] jabber aliases?
On Monday 19 June 2006 17:08, Igor Goryachev wrote: Hello. I have several domains and want to implement something similar to mail-like aliases (not virtual hosts) in jabber? Is it possible at all? It would be quite possible to implement, but I'm not familiar with a server which offers this functionality out of the box. Then again this is jdev, so the first answer is probably the one you want. Yes, it can be done. :-) TX -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://trypticon.org/ GPG Fingerprint: 9EEB 97D7 8F7B 7977 F39F A62C B8C7 BC8B 037E EA73 pgpAyLD0Rz2JC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [jdev] jabber aliases?
On 19 Jun 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have several domains and want to implement something similar to mail-like aliases (not virtual hosts) in jabber? Is it possible at all? It would be quite possible to implement, but I'm not familiar with a server which offers this functionality out of the box. Then again this is jdev, so the first answer is probably the one you want. Yes, it can be done. :-) I want to implement this routine myself (I'm having a hacking fun mainly with ejabberd) and would like to hear suggestions of any sort about how this feature should be implemented. -- Igor Goryachev E-Mail/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jdev] jabber aliases?
On 19 Jun 2006, Igor Goryachev wrote: I have several domains and want to implement something similar to mail-like aliases (not virtual hosts) in jabber? Is it possible at all? It would be quite possible to implement, but I'm not familiar with a server which offers this functionality out of the box. Then again this is jdev, so the first answer is probably the one you want. Yes, it can be done. :-) I want to implement this routine myself (I'm having a hacking fun mainly with ejabberd) and would like to hear suggestions of any sort about how this feature should be implemented. Well, it primarily means that the user should have several equitable jabber-accounts on each domain with one roster, vCARD, offline storage spool and other things. The service should be with s2s enabled. -- Igor Goryachev E-Mail/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jdev] jabber aliases?
On Monday 19 June 2006 21:37, Tony Finch wrote: On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Igor Goryachev wrote: I have several domains and want to implement something similar to mail-like aliases (not virtual hosts) in jabber? Is it possible at all? Forwarding is difficult in Jabber because it is closed-loop whereas email is open-loop. Consider what happens if I send a presence subscription request to an alias JID, and get a response from the real JID. Will my client behave sensibly? I'm not convinced that you would want to forward presence. To get something similar to mail aliases, you only need to forward messages. IQs also, make little sense. If you want that kind of functionality the best way to go about it is probably to write a jabber-to-jabber transport. TX -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://trypticon.org/ GPG Fingerprint: 9EEB 97D7 8F7B 7977 F39F A62C B8C7 BC8B 037E EA73 pgpgC6p0B4QNx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [jdev] jabber aliases?
On 19 Jun 2006, Tony Finch wrote: I have several domains and want to implement something similar to mail-like aliases (not virtual hosts) in jabber? Is it possible at all? Forwarding is difficult in Jabber because it is closed-loop whereas email is open-loop. Could you please explain this moment a bit wider? It might be important for me. Consider what happens if I send a presence subscription request to an alias JID, and get a response from the real JID. Will my client behave sensibly? Well, I suppose you will just have a dead JID in your roster (with subscription none) in addition to the real JID. -- Igor Goryachev E-Mail/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jdev] jabber aliases?
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Igor Goryachev wrote: On 19 Jun 2006, Tony Finch wrote: Consider what happens if I send a presence subscription request to an alias JID, and get a response from the real JID. Will my client behave sensibly? Well, I suppose you will just have a dead JID in your roster (with subscription none) in addition to the real JID. RFC3921 #8.2 step #8 explicitly states that the original server should silently drop the request in such a situation. Eg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---subscribe--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] This by way of aliasing gets resent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You then approve Tony's subscription: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---subscribed--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s internal roster has no knowledge of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ie, it asked Igor.Goryachev, not Igor), and thus Tony's server immediately drops the packet without passing it to Tony's client. -- Bruce Campbell
Re: [jdev] jabber aliases?
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Igor Goryachev wrote: Could you please explain this moment a bit wider? It might be important for me. It's from control theory. In an open loop control system I just send the system messages to tell it how to behave, whereas in a closed loop system I get messages back so I can check that it's doing what I want. Think of the difference between a simple mixer tap and a thermostatic mixer. Open loop: ++ +-+ | Me | --- message --- | You | ++ +-+ Closed loop: ++ --- subscription from --- +-+ | Me || You | ++ subscribed to -- +-+ Tony. -- f.a.n.finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dotat.at/ RATTRAY HEAD TO BERWICK ON TWEED: SOUTHWEST 4 OR 5, DECREASING 3 IN NORTH. RAIN DYING OUT. MODERATE OR GOOD. SLIGHT, OCCASIONALLY MODERATE LATER.
Re: [jdev] jabber aliases?
Op maandag 19 juni 2006 12:23, schreef Igor Goryachev: On 19 Jun 2006, Igor Goryachev wrote: I have several domains and want to implement something similar to mail-like aliases (not virtual hosts) in jabber? Is it possible at all? It would be quite possible to implement, but I'm not familiar with a server which offers this functionality out of the box. Then again this is jdev, so the first answer is probably the one you want. Yes, it can be done. :-) I want to implement this routine myself (I'm having a hacking fun mainly with ejabberd) and would like to hear suggestions of any sort about how this feature should be implemented. Well, it primarily means that the user should have several equitable jabber-accounts on each domain with one roster, vCARD, offline storage spool and other things. The service should be with s2s enabled. What about a Jabber2Jabber transport? -- Mvg, Sander Devrieze. xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( http://jabber.tk/ )
Re: [jdev] jabber aliases?
That is a good point! Then you can have multiple jabber accounts (1 for each transport) in use on 1 account! On 6/19/06, Sander Devrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op maandag 19 juni 2006 12:23, schreef Igor Goryachev: On 19 Jun 2006, Igor Goryachev wrote: I have several domains and want to implement something similar to mail-like aliases (not virtual hosts) in jabber? Is it possible at all? It would be quite possible to implement, but I'm not familiar with a server which offers this functionality out of the box.Then again this is jdev, so the first answer is probably the one you want.Yes, it can be done. :-) I want to implement this routine myself (I'm having a hacking fun mainly with ejabberd) and would like to hear suggestions of any sort about how this feature should be implemented. Well, it primarily means that the user should have several equitable jabber-accounts on each domain with one roster, vCARD, offline storage spool and other things. The service should be with s2s enabled. What about a Jabber2Jabber transport?--Mvg, Sander Devrieze.xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( http://jabber.tk/ )
Re: [jdev] jabber aliases?
but it's not pure forwarding? On 6/19/06, Sander Devrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op maandag 19 juni 2006 12:23, schreef Igor Goryachev: On 19 Jun 2006, Igor Goryachev wrote: I have several domains and want to implement something similar to mail-like aliases (not virtual hosts) in jabber? Is it possible at all? It would be quite possible to implement, but I'm not familiar with a server which offers this functionality out of the box.Then again this is jdev, so the first answer is probably the one you want.Yes, it can be done. :-) I want to implement this routine myself (I'm having a hacking fun mainly with ejabberd) and would like to hear suggestions of any sort about how this feature should be implemented. Well, it primarily means that the user should have several equitable jabber-accounts on each domain with one roster, vCARD, offline storage spool and other things. The service should be with s2s enabled. What about a Jabber2Jabber transport?--Mvg, Sander Devrieze.xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( http://jabber.tk/ )
