Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Egon Willighagen wrote: On Wednesday 8 June 2005 20:31, Bob Hanson wrote: If you look carefully at the bottom of that documentation page, you will see an "xml" link. Click on that, and it comes back in XML. http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr/jmol/docs Maybe something can be done with that. (We're not just talking about making a PDF file, right? I mean, that's just printing the HTML document, I would think. Is there a need for that. I'm assuming we are talking here about translation to another language.) Hi all, I hope I'm not too late with my comment. Not at all, I won't work on it before July. I am just gathering ideas on how to do it, to decide how it will be done before I find the time. Currently there is a XSLT stylesheet in CVS that converts the above XML format into DocBook XML, which is too in CVS. I didn't see it at first, but I finally found it. I'm not sure how well gettext works with XML files in general, but I would prefer to have gettext translate the XML created with the XML directly from the XSL+js, as Bob created for me... That sounds good. In fact, it seems that the framework is already in place (I think Jmol/doc/source/po contains what is needed for the translation). What still needs to be done is finish the i18n framework (working on windows, ) Nicolas Egon --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
On Wednesday 8 June 2005 20:31, Bob Hanson wrote: > If you look carefully at the bottom of that documentation page, you will > see an "xml" link. Click on that, and it comes back in XML. > > http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr/jmol/docs > > Maybe something can be done with that. (We're not just talking about making > a PDF file, right? I mean, that's just printing the HTML document, I would > think. Is there a need for that. I'm assuming we are talking here about > translation to another language.) Hi all, I hope I'm not too late with my comment. Currently there is a XSLT stylesheet in CVS that converts the above XML format into DocBook XML, which is too in CVS. I'm not sure how well gettext works with XML files in general, but I would prefer to have gettext translate the XML created with the XML directly from the XSL+js, as Bob created for me... Egon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PhD student on Molecular Representation in Chemometrics Radboud University Nijmegen http://www.cac.science.ru.nl/people/egonw/ GPG: 1024D/D6336BA6 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Nicolas Vervelle wrote: It depends on how the generation is currently done. Is it working this way ? : - EXCEL file is edited manually - XML files are generated automatically from EXCEL file - HTML pages are generated automatically from XML files not quite it's: EXCEL file is edited manually JS code is generated automatically from XML files HTML pages are generated automatically by JS XML files are generated automatically by JS However, the active pages you see are not XML. They are JavaScript. Bob If it's working this way, then it shouldn't be too difficult to help maintaining the translations. Gettext tools could then be used to convert from XML to PO files (and backward) PO files are dedicated for translating and help maintain the translation. (Maybe Daniel can be more specific about this part or have better ideas) If it is possible, I will probably work on this during summer time. super. It seems to me a translation involves two issues: Content and Headings. Heading translation is static and easy, I think. Just define the replacement words. Content could be easy. Honestly, one wouldn't expect a whole lot of maintenance. My recommendation would be to augment the EXCEL spreadsheet -- All of this could be done in Excel. It's just a separate column for the language of choice. What do you think? Nicolas --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users -- Robert M. Hanson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 507-646-3107 Professor of Chemistry, St. Olaf College 1520 St. Olaf Ave., Northfield, MN 55057 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr "Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Bob Hanson wrote: Thanks, Nicolas, If you look carefully at the bottom of that documentation page, you will see an "xml" link. Click on that, and it comes back in XML. http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr/jmol/docs Maybe something can be done with that. (We're not just talking about making a PDF file, right? I mean, that's just printing the HTML document, I would think. Is there a need for that. I'm assuming we are talking here about translation to another language.) Yes, I was talking about translation to French :) (or other languages if people are interested to do them) Anyway, the source file is at http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr/jmol/docs/scripts.xls What we do for the docbook version is I change the EXCEL and then Egon (I think) uses the XML link to create XML from it. I reserve the right to change the XLS, though. So how does "translation" in that sort of situation work? How would it be maintained? Are there automatic ways of doing that? It depends on how the generation is currently done. Is it working this way ? : - EXCEL file is edited manually - XML files are generated automatically from EXCEL file - HTML pages are generated automatically from XML files If it's working this way, then it shouldn't be too difficult to help maintaining the translations. Gettext tools could then be used to convert from XML to PO files (and backward) PO files are dedicated for translating and help maintain the translation. (Maybe Daniel can be more specific about this part or have better ideas) If it is possible, I will probably work on this during summer time. Nicolas --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Thanks, Nicolas, If you look carefully at the bottom of that documentation page, you will see an "xml" link. Click on that, and it comes back in XML. http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr/jmol/docs Maybe something can be done with that. (We're not just talking about making a PDF file, right? I mean, that's just printing the HTML document, I would think. Is there a need for that. I'm assuming we are talking here about translation to another language.) Anyway, the source file is at http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr/jmol/docs/scripts.xls What we do for the docbook version is I change the EXCEL and then Egon (I think) uses the XML link to create XML from it. I reserve the right to change the XLS, though. So how does "translation" in that sort of situation work? How would it be maintained? Are there automatic ways of doing that? Bob Nicolas Vervelle wrote: Hi Daniel, Daniel Leidert wrote: Concerning the scripting part, I don't know how it is build but it will probably be more difficult since there are some examples with the applet. I'm not sure if I understand: The Docbook XML file can be translated in a gettext-like way (as I currently do using xml2po). So it's not a problem to update .pot and .po files (the translation) when the script-documentation changes. I was just talking about the fact that the scripting doc contains interactive parts (applet, ...). I don't see how it can go well in a PDF document (static unless I am mistaken) Otherwise, the script-doc made by Bob Hanson (great job :) ) is not in docbook format. Apparently it is done with Excel and JavaScript files. Would it be possible to use gettext tools for this kind of files ? Nicolas --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users -- Robert M. Hanson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 507-646-3107 Professor of Chemistry, St. Olaf College 1520 St. Olaf Ave., Northfield, MN 55057 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr "Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Hi Daniel, Daniel Leidert wrote: Concerning the scripting part, I don't know how it is build but it will probably be more difficult since there are some examples with the applet. I'm not sure if I understand: The Docbook XML file can be translated in a gettext-like way (as I currently do using xml2po). So it's not a problem to update .pot and .po files (the translation) when the script-documentation changes. I was just talking about the fact that the scripting doc contains interactive parts (applet, ...). I don't see how it can go well in a PDF document (static unless I am mistaken) Otherwise, the script-doc made by Bob Hanson (great job :) ) is not in docbook format. Apparently it is done with Excel and JavaScript files. Would it be possible to use gettext tools for this kind of files ? Nicolas --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Hi Bob, Bob Hanson wrote: Nicolas Vervelle wrote: I was also wondering if the scripting part can be internationalized ? I am willing to make the french translation if it is possible ;) I don't know what that means unless it means you translate it. I can give you the XLS and JS files and you can see what you can do, but then if it gets changed, how do you then update yours? I was meaning that the translation was easy to do and to *maintain*. Yes, please, send me the files, I will see what I can do with them. Not sure if it will be in the near future, because I don't have much free time right now. Nicolas --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Am Dienstag, den 07.06.2005, 22:32 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Vervelle: > > Daniel Leidert wrote: > > >>Tjaart de Beer wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Are the Jmol documentation available as PDF (the scripting as well as > >>>the development docs)? > >>> > >>> > >It shouldn't be that hard to add XSLT stylesheets to produce PDFs from > >docbook XML. I guess, the standard stylesheets from inside the > >docbook-xsl archive are a good starting point. I can also customize them > >at the next opportunity. > > > That would be good to have the documentation in a clean / printable > format as PFD :) I will add basic XSL files soon. > Concerning the scripting part, I don't know how it is build but it will > probably be more difficult since there are some examples with the applet. I'm not sure if I understand: The Docbook XML file can be translated in a gettext-like way (as I currently do using xml2po). So it's not a problem to update .pot and .po files (the translation) when the script-documentation changes. > I was also wondering if the scripting part can be internationalized ? If you mean the internationalisation of Javascript, then I have no idea. Maybe this works: http://jibbering.com/faq/#FAQ2_10 Regards, Daniel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Nicolas Vervelle wrote: I was also wondering if the scripting part can be internationalized ? I am willing to make the french translation if it is possible ;) I don't know what that means unless it means you translate it. I can give you the XLS and JS files and you can see what you can do, but then if it gets changed, how do you then update yours? Bob -- Robert M. Hanson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 507-646-3107 Professor of Chemistry, St. Olaf College 1520 St. Olaf Ave., Northfield, MN 55057 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr "Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Daniel Leidert wrote: Tjaart de Beer wrote: Are the Jmol documentation available as PDF (the scripting as well as the development docs)? It shouldn't be that hard to add XSLT stylesheets to produce PDFs from docbook XML. I guess, the standard stylesheets from inside the docbook-xsl archive are a good starting point. I can also customize them at the next opportunity. That would be good to have the documentation in a clean / printable format as PFD :) Concerning the scripting part, I don't know how it is build but it will probably be more difficult since there are some examples with the applet. I was also wondering if the scripting part can be internationalized ? I am willing to make the french translation if it is possible ;) Nicolas --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Am Dienstag, den 07.06.2005, 05:38 -0500 schrieb Bob Hanson: > Tjaart de Beer wrote: > > > Are the Jmol documentation available as PDF (the scripting as well as > > the development docs)? > > > > If you like, I can produce PDF from > > http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr/jmol/docs > > by printing the web page to a PDF writer. > Would there be some advantage to that? It shouldn't be that hard to add XSLT stylesheets to produce PDFs from docbook XML. I guess, the standard stylesheets from inside the docbook-xsl archive are a good starting point. I can also customize them at the next opportunity. Regards, Daniel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
If you like, I can produce PDF from http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr/jmol/docs by printing the web page to a PDF writer. Would there be some advantage to that? Tjaart de Beer wrote: Hi Are the Jmol documentation available as PDF (the scripting as well as the development docs)? Thanks!! -- Robert M. Hanson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 507-646-3107 Professor of Chemistry, St. Olaf College 1520 St. Olaf Ave., Northfield, MN 55057 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
[Jmol-users] Jmol documentation
Hi Are the Jmol documentation available as PDF (the scripting as well as the development docs)? Thanks!! -- Tjaart de Beer Bioinformatics and Computational Biology Unit Department Biochemistry FABI Square/Bioinformatics building Faculty of Natural Sciences University of Pretoria Lynwood rd Pretoria South Africa 0001 Tel:+27 12 420 5802 Cell: +27 83 504 7914 Fax:+27 12 420 5800 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The software required "Windows XP or better" ... so I installed Linux --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61" plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
