Re: [josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations?
On Jul 25, 2009, at 12:53 AM, Karl Guggisberg wrote: > >> I only realised that there was two delete buttons last night. >> I think that there needs to be a better tooltop message, > Any proposals for better messages? make them consistent in the terms used 1) Remove all members of currently selected object from relation should match this tooltip 2) Remove this member . Is there a difference between object and primitive? otherwise use the same for all add/remove tool tips. > >> ... and icon to denote all or just that instance. > Proposals for better icons would be appreciated too. > icon on the right side to remove all members should be similar to the add to icons with a arrow from left to right or just a arrow. >> Why do the two buttons need to be so far apart? > Before there were two delete buttons in the botom row an we've got > several > tickets in JOSM trac because > it wasn't clear enough in what sense they were different. > They are no so far apart because they are placed in their > "context". The > button on the left is close > to the list of members. It deletes *all selected members*. > The button on the right is close to the list of *selected > primitives*. It > deletes all members referring > to one of the selected primitives. > If I have to *explain* why they are placed where they are placed now > the > idea is obviously not intuitive enough, though. > Any alternative proposals? > I think the left button is what most want to use. the right one should be the exception and it does something non intuitive. idea 1: make this button really look dangerous e.g. in red idea 2: remove the right button completely. instead make it possible to select all members of the same primitive now clicking a object in the left list selects a primitive in the layout and adds it in the right list. this can be done also from right to left list. simply clicking may interfere with the selection behavior in the layout especially when multiple objects are selected. So it might be better to have a menu on right click where you can select deselect all members of an object good work so far functionality is really great now! > -- Karl > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org > [mailto:josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Im Auftrag von Shaun > McDonald > Gesendet: Samstag, 25. Juli 2009 01:36 > An: Lennard > Cc: josm-dev > Betreff: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations? > > > On 24 Jul 2009, at 19:50, Lennard wrote: > >> Maarten Deen wrote: >> >>> That's a serious issue. I've seen that all the double ways appear in >>> the "edit relation" box with "->->" or "<-<-" in the "linked" >>> column. >>> But if I then remove one of those lines, both ways get removed from >>> the relation. >>> Surely that is not intentional? >> >> I got bitten by that before, and the answer I got was: "You're using >> the wrong delete button". I kid you not, I never noticed the other >> Delete button before that. :-) > > I only realised that there was two delete buttons last night. I think > that there needs to be a better tooltop message, and icon to denote > all or > just that instance. Why do the two buttons need to be so far apart? > >> >> But the relation editor received a major overhaul in the past weeks, >> so some things may not work as before, yet. >> >>> Has someone already though of a "distinct" feature in the relation >>> editor? >>> Either a "remove double entries" or also a button "add selected >>> distinct entries"? >> >> PS: s/double/duplicate/ >> >> >> -- >> Lennard >> >> ___ >> josm-dev mailing list >> josm-dev@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev > > > ___ > josm-dev mailing list > josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev > > > ___ > josm-dev mailing list > josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations?
> I only realised that there was two delete buttons last night. > I think that there needs to be a better tooltop message, Any proposals for better messages? > ... and icon to denote all or just that instance. Proposals for better icons would be appreciated too. > Why do the two buttons need to be so far apart? Before there were two delete buttons in the botom row an we've got several tickets in JOSM trac because it wasn't clear enough in what sense they were different. They are no so far apart because they are placed in their "context". The button on the left is close to the list of members. It deletes *all selected members*. The button on the right is close to the list of *selected primitives*. It deletes all members referring to one of the selected primitives. If I have to *explain* why they are placed where they are placed now the idea is obviously not intuitive enough, though. Any alternative proposals? -- Karl -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Im Auftrag von Shaun McDonald Gesendet: Samstag, 25. Juli 2009 01:36 An: Lennard Cc: josm-dev Betreff: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations? On 24 Jul 2009, at 19:50, Lennard wrote: > Maarten Deen wrote: > >> That's a serious issue. I've seen that all the double ways appear in >> the "edit relation" box with "->->" or "<-<-" in the "linked" column. >> But if I then remove one of those lines, both ways get removed from >> the relation. >> Surely that is not intentional? > > I got bitten by that before, and the answer I got was: "You're using > the wrong delete button". I kid you not, I never noticed the other > Delete button before that. :-) I only realised that there was two delete buttons last night. I think that there needs to be a better tooltop message, and icon to denote all or just that instance. Why do the two buttons need to be so far apart? > > But the relation editor received a major overhaul in the past weeks, > so some things may not work as before, yet. > >> Has someone already though of a "distinct" feature in the relation >> editor? >> Either a "remove double entries" or also a button "add selected >> distinct entries"? > > PS: s/double/duplicate/ > > > -- > Lennard > > ___ > josm-dev mailing list > josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations?
On 24 Jul 2009, at 19:50, Lennard wrote: > Maarten Deen wrote: > >> That's a serious issue. I've seen that all the double ways appear >> in the "edit >> relation" box with "->->" or "<-<-" in the "linked" column. But if >> I then remove >> one of those lines, both ways get removed from the relation. >> Surely that is not intentional? > > I got bitten by that before, and the answer I got was: "You're using > the > wrong delete button". I kid you not, I never noticed the other Delete > button before that. :-) I only realised that there was two delete buttons last night. I think that there needs to be a better tooltop message, and icon to denote all or just that instance. Why do the two buttons need to be so far apart? > > But the relation editor received a major overhaul in the past weeks, > so > some things may not work as before, yet. > >> Has someone already though of a "distinct" feature in the relation >> editor? >> Either a "remove double entries" or also a button "add selected >> distinct entries"? > > PS: s/double/duplicate/ > > > -- > Lennard > > ___ > josm-dev mailing list > josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations?
Am 24.07.2009 um 18:34 schrieb Maarten Deen: > I admit I haven't used relations in a while, so I'm quite surprised > to see that > JOSM now adds a way to a relation again if it was already in the > relation. > Previously, ways that were already in a relation did not get added > again. > I this an intentional change? > > So now I've ended up with a relation with almost all ways double. Is > there a > quick and easy way to get all double ways removed from this relation? It's rather annoying, I find as well. With the old relation editor, you could select all (suspect) ways (which also selects them in the main window, remove them, and then add the selection again. When re- adding the selection, each way is only added once. Of course, you lose the role for each way, so it's not perfect. I just looked at the new relation editor, and I can't say whether that method still works. HTH, Stefan -- Stefan BethkeFon +49 151 14070811 ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations?
Maarten Deen wrote: > That's a serious issue. I've seen that all the double ways appear in the > "edit > relation" box with "->->" or "<-<-" in the "linked" column. But if I then > remove > one of those lines, both ways get removed from the relation. > Surely that is not intentional? I got bitten by that before, and the answer I got was: "You're using the wrong delete button". I kid you not, I never noticed the other Delete button before that. :-) But the relation editor received a major overhaul in the past weeks, so some things may not work as before, yet. > Has someone already though of a "distinct" feature in the relation editor? > Either a "remove double entries" or also a button "add selected distinct > entries"? PS: s/double/duplicate/ -- Lennard ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations?
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Maarten Deen wrote: >> I admit I haven't used relations in a while, so I'm quite surprised to see >> that >> JOSM now adds a way to a relation again if it was already in the relation. >> Previously, ways that were already in a relation did not get added again. >> I this an intentional change? > > Yes, this is because since 0.6 OpenStreetMap allows the same way to be > in the same relation twice (needed e.g. for a bus route that goes down a > spur and comes back). > >> So now I've ended up with a relation with almost all ways double. Is there a >> quick and easy way to get all double ways removed from this relation? > > Not yet I'm afraid. That's a serious issue. I've seen that all the double ways appear in the "edit relation" box with "->->" or "<-<-" in the "linked" column. But if I then remove one of those lines, both ways get removed from the relation. Surely that is not intentional? Has someone already though of a "distinct" feature in the relation editor? Either a "remove double entries" or also a button "add selected distinct entries"? I've managed to hack them out. The easy way I guess: select all ways in the relation, add some bogus tag, remove all ways from the segment, select all ways with the bogus tag and add them to the relation. But I don't think that should be the way forward. Maarten ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations?
Hi, Maarten Deen wrote: > I admit I haven't used relations in a while, so I'm quite surprised to see > that > JOSM now adds a way to a relation again if it was already in the relation. > Previously, ways that were already in a relation did not get added again. > I this an intentional change? Yes, this is because since 0.6 OpenStreetMap allows the same way to be in the same relation twice (needed e.g. for a bus route that goes down a spur and comes back). > So now I've ended up with a relation with almost all ways double. Is there a > quick and easy way to get all double ways removed from this relation? Not yet I'm afraid. Bye Frederik ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] JOSM adds double ways to relations?
I admit I haven't used relations in a while, so I'm quite surprised to see that JOSM now adds a way to a relation again if it was already in the relation. Previously, ways that were already in a relation did not get added again. I this an intentional change? So now I've ended up with a relation with almost all ways double. Is there a quick and easy way to get all double ways removed from this relation? Regards, Maarten ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
