Re: [josm-dev] Remove internal help browser?
Regarding this F1 thing - no one will get it. Best you can do is put some big inviting help button on the dialog that might need explanation. I already started to do that. See the new help aware option pane http://josm.openstreetmap.de/browser/trunk/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/gui/He lpAwareOptionPane.java and two examples I've migrated http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Concepts/Conflict I plan to do the same thing in the message dialog for error messages created by the server, see http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/2882 Regards Karl -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Im Auftrag von Sebastian Klein Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Oktober 2009 21:45 An: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [josm-dev] Remove internal help browser? Karl Guggisberg wrote: Hi, I plan to remove JOSMs internal help browser and to always delegate to an external browser, for two reasons: Good idea. Having an internal browser for help seems quite strange and old-fashioned to me. Also, the current version is far from usable. Nowadays, if there is some problem, you open a browser and google it. If it isn't answered in some forum immediately, you will at least find the documentation and try to resolve it there. Regarding this F1 thing - no one will get it. Best you can do is put some big inviting help button on the dialog that might need explanation. (But only if there is some documentation available.) It's quite pointless to press F1 and get an empty page each time. Dirk Stöcker wrote: Yes. External browsers have too many drawbacks regarding visibility and launching. If you do not like the internal one, then make it configurable to disable it. So many applications do this browser launch thing, it can't be that awful. Cheers, Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Remove internal help browser?
Karl Guggisberg wrote: Hi, I plan to remove JOSMs internal help browser and to always delegate to an external browser, for two reasons: Consider mapping in remote areas using portable device such as netbook. 1) Download appropriate area using josm and save osm file. 2) Collect gps data until handheld gps device full: at end of day (in tent?) transfer tracks from gps to netbook. Edit local osm file using josm. No net connection. 3) Iterate for several days. [osm editing is best done while memory fresh, and area can be checked if problems..] Some form of local help for josm is really needed in such cases. ael ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Remove internal help browser?
Karl Guggisberg wrote: Hi, I plan to remove JOSMs internal help browser and to always delegate to an external browser, for two reasons: Good idea. Having an internal browser for help seems quite strange and old-fashioned to me. Also, the current version is far from usable. Nowadays, if there is some problem, you open a browser and google it. If it isn't answered in some forum immediately, you will at least find the documentation and try to resolve it there. Regarding this F1 thing - no one will get it. Best you can do is put some big inviting help button on the dialog that might need explanation. (But only if there is some documentation available.) It's quite pointless to press F1 and get an empty page each time. Dirk Stöcker wrote: Yes. External browsers have too many drawbacks regarding visibility and launching. If you do not like the internal one, then make it configurable to disable it. So many applications do this browser launch thing, it can't be that awful. Cheers, Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Remove internal help browser?
Hi, I personally dont like external browsers much. Many times I dont have control, which browser is used. If there will be move to external browser, please try it make somehow configurable, that after click on link button it will show panel with more options about what browser use. I have firefox with many, many, opened tabs and I lunch it only when I know that I will need to browse more than one page :-) In other cases I use konqueror. It ends up in 10 opened konquerors with 2 or 3 tabs over all desktops, but it have smaler footprint in memory and also in cpu ussage compared to one firefox app with ~80 tabs opened. PS: probably Iam very unstandard user, so do not be very burdened by request in this mail. On Friday 09 October 2009 21:44:40 Sebastian Klein wrote: Karl Guggisberg wrote: Hi, I plan to remove JOSMs internal help browser and to always delegate to an external browser, for two reasons: Good idea. Having an internal browser for help seems quite strange and old-fashioned to me. Also, the current version is far from usable. Nowadays, if there is some problem, you open a browser and google it. If it isn't answered in some forum immediately, you will at least find the documentation and try to resolve it there. Regarding this F1 thing - no one will get it. Best you can do is put some big inviting help button on the dialog that might need explanation. (But only if there is some documentation available.) It's quite pointless to press F1 and get an empty page each time. Dirk Stöcker wrote: Yes. External browsers have too many drawbacks regarding visibility and launching. If you do not like the internal one, then make it configurable to disable it. So many applications do this browser launch thing, it can't be that awful. Cheers, Sebastian ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev -- Odborník na všetko je zlý odborník. Ja sa snažím byť výnimkou potvrdzujúcou pravidlo. ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
